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Main Discussion Area => Primitive Skills => Topic started by: TurtleCreek on November 14, 2011, 03:49:10 pm

Title: Sinew question...
Post by: TurtleCreek on November 14, 2011, 03:49:10 pm
  I read the recent article in PA mag about extracting deer sinew and it said to cut the leg off a few inches above the knee joint so you get the most out of the usable tendon/sinew.  I contacted my local meat processor and was told that they have a ton of deer legs both front and rear, and that I could take as many as I wanted for free.  However, he also said that they cut the rear leg off right at the knee joint but the front legs are cut off a few inches above the knee joint.  So my question is, on the rear legs being cut off at the knee joint instead of a few inches above, how long of a tendon can I expect to get out of the rear legs?
Title: Re: Sinew question...
Post by: MWirwicki on November 14, 2011, 05:15:16 pm
The length is still worth it's while.  You can expect a 10-inch or more piece, still.  And hey, their free!
Title: Re: Sinew question...
Post by: TurtleCreek on November 14, 2011, 05:47:44 pm
  I am pretty excited,  he said he has at least a barrel full, can't wait to get em'!  I should be set for quite awhile as far as sinew goes, it will certainly keep me busy over the next day or so.
Title: Re: Sinew question...
Post by: james parker on November 14, 2011, 07:50:12 pm
you should certainly get all you can, free is a big deal, sinew is costly, as far as length , it all depense where their cut and how big the deer is, all size sinew can be used, shorter strands in non bending areas and longer ones for the more stresses ,bendinf areas
Title: Re: Sinew question...
Post by: JW_Halverson on November 14, 2011, 07:55:14 pm
And if you feel they are too short, take 'em anyway.  Sinew will make fine grade hide glue, too. 
Title: Re: Sinew question...
Post by: osage outlaw on November 14, 2011, 11:41:38 pm
Go get them.  I have a hook up with a local processor.  I'm going tomorrow to get a truck load of legs.  He cuts them just above the knee so I lucked out there.  I got well over 200 legs last year.
Title: Re: Sinew question...
Post by: TurtleCreek on November 15, 2011, 05:23:27 am
He took my name and number, said if he gets any more than what I pick up later this morning that he would give me a call.  They do a ton of deer each year, with the majority of deer coming in during gun season which is opening really soon here.  I will have to post some pics.
Title: Re: Sinew question...
Post by: bubby on November 15, 2011, 07:14:59 am
the last time i got legs for sinew the butcher gave me some hides to, Bub
Title: Re: Sinew question...
Post by: Eric Garza on November 15, 2011, 10:39:28 am
You should ask him if he cuts off the back tendons. A lot of butchers cut the back tendons off the backstraps because people don't like gristle on their meat. If he'll save those for you, I think your effort is better invested cleaning up back tendons than legs. You'll get more sinew per unit effort, and you'll get longer fibers. All of the sinew I sent you was from back tendons salvaged from my local game processor.
Title: Re: Sinew question...
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on November 15, 2011, 11:00:24 am
I would grab it all up, but agree with Eric and J-dub. Short leg pieces are a pure pain to process and apply to a back, but they work if you take the time! Six back pieces will give you a decent amount for backing an average bow.
Title: Re: Sinew question...
Post by: TurtleCreek on November 15, 2011, 02:39:48 pm
  I don't mind the work with short leg pieces.  I got pretty good at that after processing 120 elk leg tendons over the last week or so.  I was down in the basement shop one day hammering away and decided to take a break and go upstairs.  I have two of the best dogs in the world so I thought I would pick out two of the tendons and toss em' to the dogs as treats.  They had those gone in a fraction of the time it takes me to process a single tendon, they love em'.  The only problem is, every time I come upstairs from the shop, they are all over me and won't leave me alone now!  :)  Good thing I have dog biscuits, the sinew is for me now.  Off to the processor!
Title: Re: Sinew question...
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on November 15, 2011, 02:43:21 pm
My "good" pooch ate two perfectly good back sinews that where 2-3 days from being ready for arrows. Little stinker anyway. If your so good at processing them Ryan why did you send them to me whole ;) !?!?!?!?!?!
Title: Re: Sinew question...
Post by: TurtleCreek on November 15, 2011, 02:53:59 pm
  LOL....  At the time I sent those to you, I had actually never processed sinew before.  Since then I have gotten pretty good at it in my opinion, I have done a bunch.  Any further trades will be processed before shipping sir:) 
Title: Re: Sinew question...
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on November 15, 2011, 03:11:05 pm
Cool! You know I will make it worth your time and effort.
Title: Re: Sinew question...
Post by: TurtleCreek on November 16, 2011, 08:42:21 am
  Now I just have to wait for the current batch of tendons to dry.  I should have a truck load more here real soon from the same guy- gun season starts this weekend.  On the way back from getting the first batch, I found another processor just down the road from my house that I never knew about who said he butchers over 300 deer each year. He also said he would save all the legs for me for free.  It can be a ton of work, but I sure as heck don't care- all that sinew will be worth it!
Title: Re: Sinew question...
Post by: Pappy on November 16, 2011, 08:57:49 am
Sounds like you are going to be busy,thought this would fit better here. ;) :)
   Pappy
Title: Re: Sinew question...
Post by: JW_Halverson on November 16, 2011, 05:27:40 pm
  Now I just have to wait for the current batch of tendons to dry.  I should have a truck load more here real soon from the same guy- gun season starts this weekend.  On the way back from getting the first batch, I found another processor just down the road from my house that I never knew about who said he butchers over 300 deer each year. He also said he would save all the legs for me for free.  It can be a ton of work, but I sure as heck don't care- all that sinew will be worth it!

I can see it now, he'll sinew back everything from now on! 

Wife: Oh darn, chipped a nail!
TurtleCreek:  I'll heat the hideglue, you get out the short sinew!
Title: Re: Sinew question...
Post by: Gus on November 16, 2011, 06:09:02 pm
Cool Thread...

Capital Idea TC!

I'm working on a couple of Processor Contacts even as we speak. :)
Hopefully I'll get my Tendon Jump Wings in the very near future!

-gus


Title: Re: Sinew question...
Post by: TurtleCreek on November 20, 2011, 05:33:29 am
  The first batch wasn't as big as I had thought, but still, 20 legs is a great starting point.  I took out all the tendons from both the front and back of all the legs.  I was pretty surprised at the size of some of the rear leg tendons, with a little over a dozen of them being over 11 inches long.  These longer ones came from the legs that were cut off above the knee joint which allowed me to cut the tendon where it entered the muscle and it provided a tendon about 2 inches longer than the others.  The rest of the tendons are anywhere between 8 to 11 inches long.  I should be getting a lot more this monday.  I plan on using a lot of it as trade items, especially the bigger tendons.
Title: Re: Sinew question...
Post by: Gus on November 27, 2011, 07:31:51 pm
Just got through harvesting the sinew off of seventy legs.
But have a question. Are y'all taking the sinew off the front side of the legs as well?
Or are you just taking the main bundle off of the back side of the legs?
Also, do you liberate the two main tendons from the gristle where the main bundle splits in the ankle or just take that whole bundle off at once, gristle and all?

To this point I'm taking the front side tendons.
And I'm liberating the lower sections at the "Y" through the gristle on the back side and leaving the gristle behind.

Should be picking up another load of legs tomorrow and the processor says he has saved a load of back sinew for me this time as well.

I hear that masters can harvest the tendons from a leg in about 30 seconds or less per leg...
Its taking me about four or five minutes per leg when my knife is fresh.

Thank You.

-gus
Title: Re: Sinew question...
Post by: footfootfoot on November 27, 2011, 08:12:59 pm
Sinew?
Nothing, what sinew with you?

Thanks folks, I'll be here all week. Try the elk.