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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: NOMADIC PIRATE on September 13, 2008, 04:13:29 pm
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She's a beauty Manny. I've grown to appreciate yew. One of my 2 hunting bows this year is a yew self bow. What is your opinion? It can be delicate wood for someone that is used to bulletproof wood(me).
What are the particulars of this lovely stick? Pat
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YEAH MAN!! Now that is one fine bow. Love that unbraced profile. Awesome job Manny.
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Its a nice bow, but in case you haven't noticed Manny has taken a vow of silence regarding this forum ???
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Beautiful bow, heck of a tree too. You seem to be able to make all types of bows. I keep watching and learning. Thanks for sharing your skills.
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What! Cone of Silence! :D
I must have missed something while I was away.... ???
Oh well, still a beautiful bow..
you sure do nice work there Manny, very nice indeed.. any style you seem to choose too... ::) :o
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Another great looking bow Manny. The hair is getting a little long though. ;) Justin
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Beautiful bow. Great job. What kind of monster tree is that behind you and where do you live?
Ranger B
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Well done, Manny. Excellent bow. Jawge
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Another nice one Manny. That piece of yew looked like a challenge, but I think you are kinda used to that. That Yew sure has a gold hue to it. Jimmy, that's a Banyan tree, in the Ficas family.
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as everyone say: great bow as usual!
what's the backing??
frank
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;D
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Superb job!
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Damn.
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Awesome bow manny! Love the knots. Also LOVE that tree in the backround...amazing!
It's also cool to see someone else who has won b.o.m. a couple times and seems to think that they would rather see someone else win it. It ment a lot to me the first time I won it, and I would rather get to see someone who has never won it get have that same feeling...
dan
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This may make some of you mad but enough is enough! Bowmo Manny is not being noble and letting someone else win BOM! He is protesting BOM and PA in general. He's mad because PA printed hunting stories that involved fiberglass bows. He has told me that he's made a "vow of silence". So I have to ask why even post your bows here Manny??? You have an enormous amount of talent so why not share your knowledge? People have asked you questions on this thread so why not answer them? Or is it you like to have people tell you how wonderful and skilled you are? Frankly I find your attitude infantile and ridiculous! If your going to take a "vow of silence" than don't bother to post your bows either!!!
Sorry friends if I've ticked any of you off but I refuse to place anyone on a pedestal and worship at their feet. This site is about sharing our knowledge with each other but Manny has decided not to do this. He posts his bows and everyone praises him but he doesn't bother to answer your questions or make a nice comment on other bows posted so I don't see why anyone should respond to his posts!!!!
Care to offer a rebuttal Manny?
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Ah well that is certainly something else entirely... I just choose not to post my bows anymore...or at least not fulldraw shots. I have won BOM three times now and that is more than enough for me.
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Very admirable Bowmo, but I for one would love to see you posting your bows again :)
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Ha...thanks Dana...
We'll see...but what also needs to be factored in is that i'm lazy computer wise...and that i'm also sucked into flintknapping for the last year... Fully addicted...
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SD - I don't see anything wrong with it - def.--forum = "a place for open discussion" - that's if one wants to particapate , it is still a free country isn't it . I enjoy looking at his bows nonetheless - one can learn a great deal just from pictures . ;D
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Uh, huh, Bent rig. I agree :)
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His work speaks for itself! :o ;D
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I agree with Dana. Good grief. Participate fully, share your knowledge... or not. This isn't a protest site, it's an archery site. Eye candy aside, it's a little ridiculous to just post pictures without any comment or willingness to answer questions. You make nice bows Manny. Show us your stuff... engage in conversation, and get over it already!!
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His work speaks for itself! :o ;D
Anybody Anybody NOT understand ?
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I agree with Dana. I have hunted with bows that have had glass in them, but still no arrow shelf or nothing. that doesn't make it any easier to hunt if the bow has a srip of glass on it. I really do admire your work manny, but this is messed ;)up man.
it seems that you rank your self above all by not answering polite questions. and all because a story that had glass in it? just messed ;)up.
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Nice bow manny,well done.
Pappy
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I see :-X freedom of speech..
no offence
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O.K. ...breaking the silence for one post only !
I've being answering every question by P.M., as well as thanking again by P.M. anytime someone praised my bows.
as well as writing PM's with praises to anyone that posted a bow that I liked !
...So for all of you that like to stir things up, please go hide somewhere, Dana, Bye Bye, adb, get a life, finnish native, I hunt glass bows a lot, so if you don't know what you talking about ,...shhhhh.
Since you guys don't have anything else to do and obiously try stear things in different ways, I say it again, I comunicate via PM's
.......let it go, this is just a thread showing a bow, like on other threads you are the ones trying to make it a confrontation ::) ::)
signing off now.!
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All right guys,lets keep it civil,Manny can show a bow anytime and if he doesn't care to respond,that is his right.I know sometime it is hard,but if you don't have something positive to add,Please just
keep it to yourself,we are all supposed to be friends here and about trying to help with
bows and Primitive skills.Have a good Day. :) :)
Pappy
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Well said Pappy!
If you guys don't like the way Manny is handling this, send him a PM and let him know your feelings. There is no reason to use that attitude here on PA. There are plenty of folks that appreciate the fact that Manny has chosen not to submit his bows for BOM and as a matter of fact, Manny has handled this the proper way and the way that was suggested by Old Bow to make his job easier for him. I appreciate the fact that Manny has chosen to still submit his bows for us to enjoy....and the fact that Manny has personally sent me a PM thanking me for my comments and for answering my questions about this beautiful bow. Thank you Manny for taking the higher path! Pat
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I've been asked to drop it so I will do so. Continue your "Vow of Silence" Manny if you so chose or you could
also let it go and participate openly in the forum. Last post for me on this subject. BTW it is a really nice bow and shows your skill as a bowyer.
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if anything... archers are an independent bunch...
working on bowyering gives one time for reflection...
time for a group hug! lol O:) ;D
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;) ;D
Pappy
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Sweet bow Manny. Love the exposed sapwood stripe contrast on the back and the nice character knots. Looks like a challenging stave to work to say the least but you pulled it off nicely. ;)
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I respect Manny's position and his choice. A lot of guys leave forums and are never heard from again. The way Manny wants to handle his position gives us the advantage of continuing to see his remarkable talent as a bowyer. If he packed up and left PA all together a lot of us would greatly miss his posts.
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There's nothing in the world more special than a Bow made from Yew' and this one's a fine example of a Longbow! My one criticism is the backing,such a shame to cover up that creamy sapwood.
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Total respect here...I have never been one to try and start a fight. If I have questions I just PM him...always has been up front and patient when offered that opportunity.
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Mani doesn't seem like the type that holds on to a grudge - I think he'll be back. Until then, let's continue to enjoy his wonderful work.
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Mani doesn't seem like the type that holds on to a grudge - I think he'll be back. Until then, let's continue to enjoy his wonderful work.
exactly!
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If everyone just posted pictures, and didn't make any comments, it wouldn't be much of a forum, would it?
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Hmmm...PM and ask a question. Manny answers, isnt that participation? Maybe your view of the forum is skewed. I think the forum takes all types to be successful...frequent posters, those who give TOO MUCH information, those who want to post pics and let us drool, angry people, peacemakers etc...if we were all carbon copies of eachother wouldnt it be a boring place to be? Think on that for a while ADB...does EVERYONE have to post comments ALL THE TIME.???? I think not.
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If everyone just posted pictures, and didn't make any comments, it wouldn't be much of a forum, would it?
yes, absolutly. - but so far it's only the pirate doing that and i'm sure he has good reasons.
he posts pictures of his great work, he answers questions via PM and i hope sooner or later he'll be back.
other great bowyers seem to just have vanished in the past.
we seem to have a crisis here on PA every now and than...
just like in real life...
enjoy manny's bow and don't pick on him, please!
frank
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If this kinda crap keeps up there will be a lot less people posting their work. Live and let live, and don't take this so darn serious.
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HOLY COW !!!
here I am just being quite and try stay out of trubble, and still a couple of individuals are trying to make an "issue" out of a "non issue"
O.K., you guys wanna make me write,...so I'll write some.
First of all let me explain, so that the general public understands.
A couple of months ago after extensive cominication with Marie, Sarah, and various admins and mods, I explained to them that I have some real strong opinions about certain subjects, and being the type that can't just sugarcoat everything if I write, I allways write what I feel, so I let them know that I would refrain from typing anything so to avoid controversy, getting myself in trubble and probably banned too.
I would still post pictures, "AND COMUNICATE VIA PM" (that is partecipating ) there was no objection to this so I stopped typing.
as for BOM, I like it, and thing Don does a great job, however at the moment I don't feel like being part of the magazine, one day maybe I will feel like it again and will be more than happy to go toe to toe with some fine bowyers
Now for the ones that got nothing better to do than get on others threads and try strir things,...get a life !!!!!!
adb,
I recived several E-mails about you, and the general consensus is that you should stay on the sidelines and keep your mouth shut while you learn.
Dana'
I can't belive that after begging 1/2 the PA mambers to vote for your bow so you could win the BOM, you still have the guts to go out and preach other what the rigth thing to do is ::)
That was one of the weakest things I've ever seen, ...only topped by actually accepting the win after being busted ::)
...now you got me typing again, so if I eventually get banned is all your fault ;D
I had a lot of my posts either deleted or edited before I stopped writing, .........I surely hope the mods will leave this one alone
Thanks
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Give 'em enough rope....
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Well done Manny!!
adb, your an a##.
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As for me winning BOM I tried to refuse it but wasn't allowed to do so. Hope that makes you feel better. And if you think people don't politic for BOM your sadly mistaken.
Take a look at the vote totals when I won and you will see that almost all the votes were cast for two bows. It was apparent to me that politicking for the other bow was going on also. The end result was BOM was changed for the better. Now when the vote totals are posted they are spread out across the board. Manny if you or anyone wants my hat your welcome to it as it makes no difference to me.
Manny you didn't just object to Mike Hustons articles you viscously attacked his character and slandered him shamelessly! Now that the tables are turned your playing all innocent.
Give me a break eh. Ya I stirred the pot but quite frankly I've had enough of your arrogance. You post your bows and accept the praise but never have a nice comment for anyone else's.
This site is about sharing and all you share are pretty pictures! You have enormous talent but refuse to share it, thats called arrogance Manny.
I seem to remember you saying you were done with PA and that you were going over to PP exclusively. So why are you still here?
You called me a coward and asked me to apologize, but it ain't happening Manny!
I know many of you are now mad at me but I couldn't hold it in any longer and for that I do apologize to you the members of PA.
See ya all later eh
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You guys all say this site is about sharing but are awfully quick to cut someone down. Seems that arrogance runs both ways but everyone is more than willing to attack rather than take a good look inside.
Again with the whining about sharing? Man I have asked him at least a dozen questions about bows on this site and the other site and have gotten nothing but advice and responses...maybe he just doesnt respond to people who want to be asses towards him and who wanna start fights. In my book that makes him the bigger man.
"People who live in glass houses should NOT cast stones....."
I am deeply saddened by the true character that a couple of you who I have admired have shown.
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Again Dana, you're talking out of you a#$, try ask Cowboy, Frank, Dano,Kegan...those are some I remember recently If I didn't PM them and praise theyr work, ..man you should really do some reserch before typing,...ho yeah I even praised your little sumac bow on PP, even if you just being trying to give me grief lately ::)
...Nah, nah,..no need for your hat, I won a couple fair and square ;) ;)
...Ho yeah, BTW, go to my original post on that thread, and I specifically wrote, I'll be forced to go silent, that's exactly what I did ;)....again do your reserces
and please, don't even try bringing in other subjects, I really don't need to go there.
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Dana, you really do need to keep your mouth shut and at this point so should I, but I need to get this said. Manny has always offered his support and advice, you of all people have no riht to say any thing about anyone. You bringing this up is a lame attempt at getting more people on your side, pretty pathetic I'd say. I'd like to say more, but at this point it wouldn't do any good.
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Hey, Dano
Pretty strong language for a family oriented forum. You too, Manny. Name calling, very mature.
Sorry, guys... Dana isn't the only one fed up with Manny's BS. I wasn't aware that this was a forum for protest, or a popularity contest. I thought it was a respectful place to exchange ideas about traditional archery. You are right about one thing, Dano, this is a bunch of crap, and you seem to be adding to the pile.
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some admin should lock this up and close it before any more childish responses come up....good lord adb you sound like my students and they are only thirteen. I get enough of this garbage during the day.
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Silknstring has 2 posts and so does Dano. Did anybody READ them ? Lots of truth here foks ! WAKE UP Y'ALL ! I for one DONT really wanna read this crap. Hows about we stop ?
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gentlemen! - wind it back, look through the thread and you will find a whole lot of people saying 'it's manny's right to do so, no objections' and it's two sqareheads...ehmmm, sorry: individuals i mean (familyfriendly) who want it to be different, who want it to be the way they think it's right. that's childish behaviour.
dana: will you write another apology via PM about your words written here in a few month time when you realize how far over the top it was????
well, let me tell you, EH! it would be better to stop as of now!
AS I MENTIONED ABOVE: GREAT BOWYERS SEEM TO HAVE JUST VANISHED FROM PA IN THE PAST, AND I ADD: I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IT WAS FOR STUFF LIKE THAT!!!!
thanks, frank
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Amazing bow Manny. I've said before that I always go first to your postings to see bows and game photos. Not only do you make incredible bows, but you use them to very obvious advantage - you are definately walking the walk, and not just talking the talk. I've admired your Guava bows for some time, and am very impressed with your ability to make a bow out of that challenging looking piece of yew. I'll PM you if necessary, but I for one would sure appreciate it if you would continue to participate with the group. I'd love to know the specs on that Yew bow...
Thanks!
Keith
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thanks Keith.
the bow is 65 1/2" ntn, 65 # @ 27 ",assytmetrical limbs, the handle wrap is Jute, Guava overlays, cotton backed and finished with my homemade mix.
the pictures of the 2 staves is the remaining Yew, the rigth one is the 1/4 split from this bow, I started with big deflex as you can see, so I flipped the tips a bit, lots of twist and side bend too, if you look carefully at the bow pictures you can see all the corrections I had to do, couple of time I allmost gave up because I didn't think I was gonna be able to get the string to go down the middle, but in the end i think she came up pretty nice ;D
....not sure but don't think she took any set at all, or very little if any.
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Come on guys,take a deep breath,lot of folks post pictures here and don't respond to anything,nothing says you have to,to each there own. .If you have problems with someone PLEASE take it off line.This is a bow forum. Constructive conversation is a good thing but all this
personal stuff and bickering is really getting old.Nice Bow Manny. ;) :)
Pappy
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Pictures taken today by her sister 1/4 split, show that she took just about no set
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Everytime this stuff comes up on this site, I wonder if in "Real life" if everybody was standing toe to toe, if they would have the nerve to run their mouth like what goes on here.I got a PM from a former mod last week complaining about Manny not posting a bow for BOM. When you show a bow on here , it's not a release form for the vote or magazine. I informed him and another PM'er of this, and the crap still goes on
There have been some excellent bowyers that have left this site because of the juvenile bickering that goes on. And it seems like when it starts , it's not because of the way somebody tiller's a bow or fletches an arrow. It seem's to be because of somebodies personal opinion is not the same as someone else's.
It would make it so easy if people would read the RULES when they sign on. Things , like politics, religion, money in the trade section and posting appropriate articles in the sections they should be posted in, would solve a lot of problems; And hurt feelings and bruised egos. You guy's work the Mod's to death with this same crap over and over.
I'm not going to name people on here that seem to constantly stir the crap, don't have to, everybody is picking up on it real easy. But this would be a lot nicer site if everybody showed a little respect for other people and their personal feelings. It's getting really old.
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I agree with Eddie. Lets talk about bows. OK? Nice bow Manny. Was this your first time working with yew?
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Thanks, second one Ryan
silk backed YEW :
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That bow turned out sweet Manny. Now that you have ventured into NW woods I guess I'm going to have to do something with that guava stave you sent me before you make us all look bad ;D
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Hey Gordon, if he likes NW woods, maybe Manny will trade some Guava for Vine Maple... ;D ;D ;D
Keith
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Manny,
65# ought to be good boar medicine. When are you going to blood her? Did you notice much difference between silk and cotton on your Yew bows? Which do you think is more effective and is one easier to do than the other?
Keith
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I have a Gordon VM stave, if you look at the first picture above, the longest stave on the rack over my car is the one, as you can see it's well down in dimentions, I just have to get to it one of this days ::)
Keith, I probably won't hunt this bow for at least 10 years, I'm shooting 85 # nowadays and trying to go a bit higher :), cotton or silk are equally easy to apppy as long as you treat them like snakes skins thru the applycation, I think cotton is way stronger, but than again I can't tell for sure
Gordon, can't wait to see what you will do with that guava ;D
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I've always had the personality of "not rocking the boat"...don't like confrontation, and don't think much good ever comes from it. When I see bickering like this going on, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth and I feel disappointed in people that I thought had higher standards.
It has been said over and over to take any personal comments against anyone OFFLINE!!!! Why can't you people do this? We're adults, and should act accordingly. The topic should be limited to comments about bows or whatever other primitive subject or hunting...but don't get personal. I for one don't care to read it, and I know that Primitive Archer Management does not appreciate it.
When you feel your temperature rising...do us all a favor and push that little red toggle switch to the off position!
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Here is how I see it. If you have worked with creative people such as artists, musicians, theater types, writers, film makers, etc, you will quickly find out how volatile creative personalities can be, epic in some instances. I’m not sure why, but it is pretty much universal. I was a musician for many years, and saw my share of “tempests in a teapot.” I think it is part of the nature of the beast, and although bows are not opera productions or stage plays, you have some pretty brilliant, creative types posting here, and no matter what, conflicts are going to arise.
In the end, usually these things end with everyone smiling again, and I think that will be true here as well. Let’s all be friends again, please, sooner rather than later, for the good of the site and our collective endeavors. Manny’s work is exceptional, and if he chooses to “protest” the magazine by posting silently, that is his thing. But, the people on the boards are not PA management, as well, if you understand what I mean.
Dane
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That is a nice one Manny,love the character.Sweet and well done.I have a piece of Yew someone sent me,guess I should give it a try and see what happens. :)
Pappy
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Boy this thread sure has proved Manny's philosophy of silence to be wise. There is so much more to this story than most know. Manny's vow of silence is not a protest, it was made to try to help stop this kind of thing. My hat is off to him for trying to stop the bull no matter what meathod he used. It does appears that some prefer fighting over silence. ??? If you don't like how Manny handled this get over it, it is his choice to make not yours. Or maybe better yet try it and see how it works.
Manny, those are some sweet bows. I don't think I have ever seen a yew with that much character. I love the up and down character in a bow. Snakey is cool, but these up and downs really challenge the skill of a bowyer and you have some serious ability. Justin
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Manny, I apologize for not commenting about your bow earlier...I meant too. Beautiful bow with a lot of fine detail and character. I hope you continue to post your bows, as I really enjoy seeing them. Keep it up! ;)
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Thanks guys, I really like YEW, it just seems so elastic,..... and just tiller itself ;)
but I belive you have to go a bit slower in the bending process, I like to go for increments of 1/2" at a time with at least 20 pulls, and that is if everything looks good, otherwise, start all over again ;D ;D
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manny as always that bow is just awesome, i just love what you can do to a piece of wood that most would probably toss into the fire pit.
in my opinion,and thats exactly what it is, you are one of a handfull of very very talented bowiers on this site,the others that i admire have been told so too in other post or emails.
please dont leave this site because of a fewchildish and envious individuals.
i love to looking at the bows you post,even the ones that are not
by my standards, awesome, which 98% of yours are truly awesome. you my friend are one KINKY bowyer,and your latest works of art prove it.
talent cant be taught it is natural and you are a true natural.
keep em coming brother
tim
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wow thats nice. I like the banyan tree in the backround
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Ho well, what can I say ? Tim, thanks a lot :o
dskittle, Thanks
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Interesting thread......kinda reminds me of a chick flick. ;D
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Man i can hardly keep up when posts are long like this!
But the bow, i can hardly keep up with you churning them out manny. Are you in cali now? Hope your having a good time!
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no Limey, couldn't make it to cali,...thanks
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I have never worked with yew and I was curious about the knots that are evident on the side profile of your bow, how does the wood that composes the knot relate to wood around it, is it bending at the same rate, or not at all? It looked like you had a constant width taper, so i assume you didn't compinsate for them by adding any width.. All I have worked with is Osage, so I'm a newby to everything else lol. Ty
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Aries, I totally disregarder the knots, just taper the bow as if they where not there, it seems to me that the wood around the knots is way harder than the regular wood
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Thats the way I do with Vine Maple too Manny......I lay the Bow out....and the Hell with the Knots......that stuff is tough enough too....
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Hmm intersestin, I will remember that next time im layin out an osage and see how it works out ;D. That sure would save a heck alot of trouble debatin any width adjustment :o Any body have and experiences trying this with osage? I have read before to try to compinsate for knots by adding extra width, so that is always what i have done, usually with slightly unsightly buldges in width taper. Ty
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I tried that with locust and wound up with two atlatls. :D