Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: midmainebowyer on January 14, 2014, 09:56:16 pm
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Hi guys, I have a homemade flatbacked hickory long bow. Pulls 80# at 28. It took about 1-1/2 inches of set. its 70 inches ntn. Any ideas what I can expect for fps if im running 500g arrow with a 125 tip? I dont have a chrono and I,m not familiar with any bowyers in maine
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My guess would be 150-160 fps, maybe a bit more. Why are you worried about it?
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Well. This sounds absurd but, im putting 5/6 arrows in a 6x6 target at 60 yards. I hunt turkey mostly and if the arrow aint moving fast enough then the turkey has to much time to react
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The truth is that either the turkey knows there's an arrow coming and might get out of the way or he doesn't notice and gets nailed. A few fps on a wooden bow (or fiberglass for that matter) isn't going to change that much. Our arrows are going slow enough to be evaded (period). Heck even we can jump out of the way when we hear the bow twang. I think you need to do something else to get the jump on the turkey besides trying to make your arrow go faster. A training wheel bow could solve that problem for you but that's not why we're here, is it? ;)
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Get closer to the turkeys. ;)
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Depends a lot on your bow but most likley about 200 to 210 fps.
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Hahaha. The closer the turkey, the less skill needed :) I love traditional bow hunting for the difficulty.
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Get closer to the turkeys. ;)
I hear that sir hahahaha. I use a very odd combination of calling and stalking. But maine has ALOT of undergrowth. So its pretty thick
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I have one question.
Are these turkeys armoured? Lol
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I have one question.
Are these turkeys armoured? Lol
pardon? Lol. Is that a stab at the draw weight or my hunting skills, mah good sir?
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Get closer to the turkeys. ;)
I hear that sir hahahaha. I use a very odd combination of calling and stalking. But maine has ALOT of undergrowth. So its pretty thick
Bingo Patty Cake!
Sneaking up in a turkey is hard work, using calls and decoys is the way to go. If you can't get close (15-20 yards) then entice them. Bring them to you.
That being said. I've only hunted turkeys twice in my life.
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Done alot of turkey huntin with guns. Decided to even the odds and switch to bows. Our season out here is sometimes WAY to late. Turkeys clam up and dont respond to calls as the mating season has been rushed and is actuly long over b4 uget at em. At that point we hunt em like deer
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First, my hat is off to you Sir if you can hit a turkey at 60 yards. I would have trouble hitting a house at that distance. We hunt them in the fall like deer. Some will come into a feeder and some are spot and stalk. I've killed 2 that way and both under 20 yards. Never hunted Maine and things are done differently in different areas. Heck, people scoff at our use of blinds and feeders here in Texas, so no disrespect intended, but I think you gotta get closer to solve the string jumping problem, not speed the arrow up. You'll never get it fast enough IMO.
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Lets see the bow! You making your own arrows?
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my hats off to ya that your pullin an 80# self bow and hittin what your aiming at...got a 63# osage and if i dont practice with it i can barely pull it!
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A 500 grain arrow out of an 80# bow is quite taxing on the bow. Id try to put together a 650 grain plus arrow to keep that bow healthy for a few years.
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I would wait for the busted flock to re-settle in the trees, then pull out that big dog >:D
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Lets see the bow!
+1
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Shooting at any animal with a self bow or any bow for that matter from 60 yards in not responsible, too big of a chance of wounding and loosing the animal. Quite a few bow hunters would kick you out of camp for taking shots at 60 yards. A hunter has a responsibility to make every effort to make a clean humane kill, it won't always happn but we need to make an effort at least.
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I would wait for the busted flock to re-settle in the trees, then pull out that big dog >:D
You can shoot roosting turkeys?
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Shooting at any animal with a self bow or any bow for that matter from 60 yards in not responsible, too big of a chance of wounding and loosing the animal. Quite a few bow hunters would kick you out of camp for taking shots at 60 yards. A hunter has a responsibility to make every effort to make a clean humane kill, it won't always happn but we need to make an effort at least.
Somebody needed to say it. Uhhhh, yeah... ???
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I would wait for the busted flock to re-settle in the trees, then pull out that big dog >:D
hahaha. Un ethicial and illegal to take em from a tree here... ( love the scare and stalk method)
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Shooting at any animal with a self bow or any bow for that matter from 60 yards in not responsible, too big of a chance of wounding and loosing the animal. Quite a few bow hunters would kick you out of camp for taking shots at 60 yards. A hunter has a responsibility to make every effort to make a clean humane kill, it won't always happn but we need to make an effort at least.
so long as the archers skill is honed enough and the animal not too big then the arrow still has plenty of energy at 60. Plenty for turkey anyway. As for humane....im a hick friend. I hunt for food more than sport. My family aint got much money. So the more meat in that freezer the less we spend on food......humane doesent enter my head. Would I take a shot I KNOW shouldent be taken? No. Do I belive ppl limit themselves compared to the distance u actuly CAN use a bow? Yes
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I have one question.
Are these turkeys armoured? Lol
pardon? Lol. Is that a stab at the draw weight or my hunting skills, mah good sir?
Lol just wondering why your using such a heavy draw for turkey hunting.
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I have one question.
Are these turkeys armoured? Lol
pardon? Lol. Is that a stab at the draw weight or my hunting skills, mah good sir?
Lol just wondering why your using such a heavy draw for turkey hunting.
I figured id make a one bow does most kinda deal. Will be hunting MUCH larger game. Going 4 bear this year
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ahhh gotcha
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Pics of the bow please? Josh
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A good 50# bow and a razor sharp 2 blade head is the ticket. Turkeys weigh nothing, 3 blade heads push the bird at impact rather than penetrate.
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I have yet to meet a traditional bow hunter who can consistently hit a kill shot at 60 yards, how do you know the exact distance? I realize you are young but you need to have a bit more respect for the animals you are hunting.
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Someday we'll meet Steve.......:)
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I can not handle an 80# bow, heck I have a hard enough time with 60#. I have a buddy that shoots 70# bows only and he is pretty good with it. Each to their own and I hope you are successful with your bow.
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Well. This sounds absurd but, im putting 5/6 arrows in a 6x6 target at 60 yards. I hunt turkey mostly and if the arrow aint moving fast enough then the turkey has to much time to react
Is that 6' by 6'? Are you really saying that you can put five out of six arrows on what is basically a half sheet of paper 60 yards out, consistently? If you can honestly do that then you should be looking to turn professional or get a spot on the Olympian team and your financial situation should be improved.
I don't buy it. Please prove me wrong a take a video and post it to youTube. You'll be the hero of us all.
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Unless your name is GOD, you cannot consistently hit a 6" X 6" target at 60 yards with an 80 pound bow in hunting conditions. ...and even He'd probably have to cheat some!
OneBow
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I'm not sure I can hit the GROUND at 60 yards let alone a target.
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Well. Depends on what you concider consistent. I never said I was a top shot. But I can manage to hit the target MORE than I hit the ground. And again. My respect level of animals is NOT why im here. This is about the bow.
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If I could get a picture small enough to post I would. But for some reason I cant
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If you can adjust the size make it 480 over 640, if you can't just e email it to yourself and the e email will ask you to reduce the size, then you can just download your e email and send that pic.
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MMB, every thing else being equal you have a physics problem here. Speed of sound at sea level, dry air and68 degrees is 1124.93 f/s....you want to shoot 180 feet.... the sound is gonna get there in .160 seconds so even if you shoot an arrow at 180 f/s and it gets there in 1 second, your way behind the 8-ball.
Think your answer may be in hunting technique and not speed. I never hunted turkeys in Maine but I have here in Michigan, and I usually try for a hide near to where they fly down in the mornings, in the direction they gather up and start to feed. Don't mean you are hunting wrong but I really believe you should consider maybe a different way to go about it, along with getting a fast arrow. The arrow aint ever gonna be fast by animal reaction time standards,eh?
rich
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By claiming you can hit a 6 by 6 target (inches?) at 60 yards with your hickory selfbow 5/6 times is saying you are a top shot. You are asking about hunting game at far distances, so, your post isn't just "about the bow". People take hunting ethics seriously and could care less about you being a "hick" who doesn't have much money to buy your meat...as if you were the only hunter in that boat.
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If I could get a picture small enough to post I would. But for some reason I cant
Open in it microsoft Paint, which is in programs>accessories if you use the start button thingee on the bottom left of the screen.
Then, in Paint, press the resize button (should be in the toolbar just right of cut/copy/paste), then select "pixels" instead of percentage, then make sure 'maintain aspect ratio' is selected, then set horizontal value to something like 500-700, somewhere around that.
Then hit save as, and give it a different name so it doesn't overwrite the original. Then you rightclick on the icon of the photo you just saved and click properties and check what size it is. If it's a bit too big or a bit too small then go do it again but adjust a little.
That's how I do it anyway, it sounds annoying but actually takes about 30 seconds.
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Hold on, why are you attacking me sir? I had a simple question. The speed of which my bow could lob my arrow. My questions have been kindly answered by many. If it would make you feel better I will retract my statement. Satisfied my good man?
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Dude nobody is attacking you. The story about your 60 yd groups is doubtful and hunting at that range is considered unethical by most... Including world class archers. But lets give you the benefit of the doubt. Your question about the bow demonstrates a lack of knowledge on the subject. No problem there everybody has to start somewhere. You probably shouldnt be shooting a 500 gr arrow out of an 80# bow. And if you did the design and tiller of the bow could make the difference between 200 fps and 50 fps. People are trying to give you advice beyond your question. Take it. And don't BS these guys.
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Understood. I am a very inexperienced bowyer. And my statement IS very doubtfull. However, my ethics were not the question. My question was about arrow speed. The distance of my target (or animal) is my peragative.
I however apologize if I have seemed rude. I certainly mean no offence
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Understood. I am a very inexperienced bowyer. And my statement IS very doubtfull. However, my ethics were not the question. My question was about arrow speed. The distance of my target (or animal) is my peragative.
I however apologize if I have seemed rude. I certainly mean no offence
MMB, thank you for clarifying. Please understand, my comments are for the well being of this web community. Many of us really enjoy this forum because we make an effort to keep a high standard of ethics in the way we treat each other and also concerning game. It doesn't always happen, but hey, it's not unlike a family. Comments did come off a bit the wrong way, but, it is water under the bridge, and after all you are new to the site. No harm, no foul.
That being said, a big welcome to PA. I think you will find many people here that will be able to help you and encourage your progress, myself included.
Let's see that bow!
Stephen Parnell
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Right on. Welcome to PA.
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I have a 65 pound hickory bow, hickory backed with hickory 66 inches long and it shoots 180fps with 125 grain tips :)
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Suckers.....LOL...You guys have certainly not been acquainted with Maine Humour....Welcome aboard Lobster Wrangler...You should go with a heavier arrow and you should see between 170 and 180fps....That is a great weight for bear and moose. I can build some heavier arrows for you if needed....
Guys, Maine is a dense State with heavy understory...A 60 yard shot is possible in about 2 spots in the State...Everything else is very thick. A 1200 lb Moose could be right next to you and not even see it...
When did turkey get re introduced into Maine??? Was hunting there in 2005 and saw narry a one...
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My favorite thing about wood longbows is that they are so quiet. I see that as a huge benefit for a hunting weapon and make them a better weapon choice in my mind than a high-tech trad set-up that shoots 20 fps faster but wakes up the neighborhood when the string comes down. A heavier arrow, 10-12 grains of arrow per pound of bow draw weight is a key ingredient in a quiet hunting set-up. Get that energy into your arrow and into your prey, rather than rattling around in the limbs and string.
Welcome to PA!
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we are not gonna see this bow are we?? ??? guess thats a big fat no.
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Maine humour.....so thats what you call it. It would seem male bovine fecal matter and "Maine humour" are nearly indistinguishable. I suspect that the bow is another bit of "Maine humour". 4dog you may be right. I hope not. I hope he's just been indisposed for a bit and will get around to sharing this bow he speaks of. Josh