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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: simson on September 13, 2015, 04:18:04 pm
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Here is a fuming experiment osage bow.
I'm very pleased with what came out and started already new fuming jobs, hopefully with similar good results.
Stave
The stave was a very well seasoned piece of osage with lots of character there, humps and bumps, snaky curves, changing crown and some twist – caused into a lot of correction work (all done with the heat gun). The stave was too thin at handle, so I glued on a piece of matching osage. I tried to get invisible, but if you look close you can see it.
Fuming
The stave /bow was rough tillered before fuming. The whole thing came out pretty well black/dark brown. It was in the fuming tube for 5 days. The tillering process brought out a nice golden brown on the belly side.
Design
She is a asymmetrical flattie with steamed in gentle recurves. Cross section is more or less recangular, particularly with concave belly depending on the changing crown, tapering out into triangular outer tips.
One additional ring on the tips works like a kinda natural grown overlay and allows at the handle a sharp rounded back.
She is 59” long and pulls 62#/28”
The pics do not justice to the beauty of that bow, belief me. Belongs to th light, sometimes the back of this bow looks deep dark as night, sometimes it shimmers like a golden brown (can you hear The Stranglers?).
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1509%20osage%20golden%20brown/Osage%20Golden%20Brown%20-%201%20von%2024_zpslpwsrz9u.jpg)
Back
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1509%20osage%20golden%20brown/Osage%20Golden%20Brown%20-%202%20von%2024_zpsbujp0zm2.jpg)
Belly
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1509%20osage%20golden%20brown/Osage%20Golden%20Brown%20-%203%20von%2024_zps1ajoazfg.jpg)
Side
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1509%20osage%20golden%20brown/Osage%20Golden%20Brown%20-%204%20von%2024_zpsbcr0s0p4.jpg)
Braced
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1509%20osage%20golden%20brown/Osage%20Golden%20Brown%20-%205%20von%2024_zps1jl19khe.jpg)
Shadow on the wall
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1509%20osage%20golden%20brown/Osage%20Golden%20Brown%20-%206%20von%2024_zpscxquvwmq.jpg)
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1509%20osage%20golden%20brown/Osage%20Golden%20Brown%20-%207%20von%2024_zps9ceq8mqn.jpg)
Additional ring left on back of handle
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1509%20osage%20golden%20brown/Osage%20Golden%20Brown%20-%208%20von%2024_zpsm6emnozp.jpg)
Back of handle
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1509%20osage%20golden%20brown/Osage%20Golden%20Brown%20-%209%20von%2024_zps9nhj8105.jpg)
Belly of handle
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1509%20osage%20golden%20brown/Osage%20Golden%20Brown%20-%2010%20von%2024_zpsohdxeksu.jpg)
Side of handle, can you see the glued on piece?
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1509%20osage%20golden%20brown/Osage%20Golden%20Brown%20-%2011%20von%2024_zpsy9zxxp86.jpg)
Additional ring as a natural grown tip overlay
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1509%20osage%20golden%20brown/Osage%20Golden%20Brown%20-%2012%20von%2024_zpsk7ronfel.jpg)
Sideview tip with rubbed in white pigments
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1509%20osage%20golden%20brown/Osage%20Golden%20Brown%20-%2013%20von%2024_zpskmfhwqez.jpg)
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Details
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1509%20osage%20golden%20brown/Osage%20Golden%20Brown%20-%2014%20von%2024_zps6dn2azz3.jpg)
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1509%20osage%20golden%20brown/Osage%20Golden%20Brown%20-%2015%20von%2024_zpservvxzcm.jpg)
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1509%20osage%20golden%20brown/Osage%20Golden%20Brown%20-%2016%20von%2024_zpsmfmlwz8r.jpg)
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1509%20osage%20golden%20brown/Osage%20Golden%20Brown%20-%2017%20von%2024_zps5achp9np.jpg)
Hole in the lower limb
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1509%20osage%20golden%20brown/Osage%20Golden%20Brown%20-%2018%20von%2024_zpsmjwzfuom.jpg)
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1509%20osage%20golden%20brown/Osage%20Golden%20Brown%20-%2019%20von%2024_zpsdajryikm.jpg)
Colors ….
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1509%20osage%20golden%20brown/Osage%20Golden%20Brown%20-%2020%20von%2024_zpsybsdwzwy.jpg)
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1509%20osage%20golden%20brown/Osage%20Golden%20Brown%20-%2021%20von%2024_zpsarowxnwm.jpg)
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1509%20osage%20golden%20brown/Osage%20Golden%20Brown%20-%2022%20von%2024_zpsl9ghaelm.jpg)
Well Mr. DEL wasn't really pleased with the end result, especially the tips …
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1509%20osage%20golden%20brown/Osage%20Golden%20Brown%20-%2023%20von%2024_zpsp2j6lpqy.jpg)
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1509%20osage%20golden%20brown/Osage%20Golden%20Brown%20-%2024%20von%2024_zps42x3ksu2.jpg)
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Man oh man. I gotta change my britches
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Yikes!!!
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You have superb attention to detail Mr Simon, I love it.
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You keep taking your bows to a whole new level. Absolutely beautiful.
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Simon the color in that piece of wood is stunning. Masterful work.
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My bows look like pine saplings with strings on them compared to yours.
you are a bowyer of incredible skill, beautiful!!!!!!!!!
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Love it, that is way prettier than any dye job I have ever seen.
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You have a way of always offering a new perspective with every bow simson, and each time I think it is my new favorite. This one is no exception.
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An ugly stick, a beautiful bow! Knots, wavy grain and all. You obviously listen to your wood.
Elkhorn
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Looks like you've done it again, Simon, Outstanding! I really like the color.
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That does it I'm moving to Germany so you can teach me how to do it right. I think this is my favorite Simon bow yet!!!
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Top Shelf! All around awesome.
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My OH my, that ammonia fuming adds a depth and richness to the wood unsurpassed by other finishing methods. Really appreciate you sharing your finishing research and expertise as an artistic bowyer. SWEET STUFF!
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:o Absolutely Stunning man! Looks like.... out of this world, I cant compare it to anything? Well done Sir
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Amazing!
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WHoooo buddy! That is awesome.
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That bow is amazing, beautiful work Simon.
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Holy crap is that a looker.
You nailed that one.
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Not worthy......shakes head.
Boy oh boy......just looking at each pic is an education and in and of itself. I really like the fact that you left extra ring in the non bending parts. It's just amazing to see what can be done. Thank You for sharing!
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That's a real beauty Simson, I really like the look the fuming gives.
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Awesome bow and lovely bend!
I've always wondered about those natural overlays, have you done them alot?
I'd be so afraid of the string getting underneath the ring, no fear of that?
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Stunning bow. I take my hat off to you.
But how come you've got our cat??!! :o
Del
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Only one word needed for that bow.......
MASTERPIECE
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I've been experimenting with fuming too and have to say it works so well I think my bottles of dye will be lasting quite some time......
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Beautiful Bow, very nice as usual.. ;)
Pappy
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Sweet!!! :)
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Man, I keep coming back to check this out. Color, finish, profile.... stunning.
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Ok what is fuming?
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Simon,that`s great, really awesome, all thumps up, Hans
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Well, you've bumped it up another level, Simon. Very well done! 8)
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Very nice bow . Plenty of character in that bow. Arvin
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Very very nice!!
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That is a very nice bow. Love the color need to know more about this fuming.
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Man oh man. I gotta change my britches
+1000!
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Great stuff, Simon!
I already fumed my kitchenworkbench made from solid oak, but I think osage this way is better ;)
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Always impressive and taking it to the next level Simon, thanks for showing that bow off!
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Oh my. That one is truly a work of art. No need for leather, snake skins, etc...wow.
And, you have a very silly cat.
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Awesome bow and lovely bend!
I've always wondered about those natural overlays, have you done them alot?
I'd be so afraid of the string getting underneath the ring, no fear of that?
Ryan, I have done that a lot. Not only with osage, also with elm, ash, elder and some others I don't remember yet. I also have posted some of these. I haven't any problem yet. And I use really thin strings!Stunning bow. I take my hat off to you.
But how come you've got our cat??!! :o
Del
;D ;D ;D
To be honest it is the neighbor's cat, but he (male) is the most of the time here in our garden and we are friends. BTW. this is the wildest Cat I know, he is hunting frogs in my pond and jumps in the water - never seen that with an other cat ...
I've been experimenting with fuming too and have to say it works so well I think my bottles of dye will be lasting quite some time......
Oh yeah Mike, I remeber you have announced it. Let's see your results and let us know your thoughts. Be sure to let the damps go out after the fuming process, the fresh wood is like rubber! I'm always surprized about the changing in wood structure and the super smooth surface.
Can't wait to hear your experience.
Ok what is fuming?
Bob, here is more info:
http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,52210.0.html
http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,48632.0.html
That is a very nice bow. Love the color need to know more about this fuming.
See above
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Many thanks for all that nice compliments guys.
I really appreciate all of them.
I keep them coming!
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Beautiful! As always. I really love seeing your work. It's truly inspiring.
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I love your flat osage recurves, and maybe this one the most. Those recurves look to be really opening up!
The specs and profiles alone are enough to make me drool, then the amazing character and color of the bow is just drop dead gorgeous.
No other bows inspire me to get right back to the workbench. Thanks for sharing.
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Stellar work
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All I can say is amazing. This one is a beauty to behold.
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Wow!
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WOW! what else can I say
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Incredible color, and stunning bow, Simson! :o
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Great bow! You`ve developed a style of bow that is very effective and beatiful to look at. perfect work!
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Man Simon that's a nice one :)
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I love your flat osage recurves, and maybe this one the most. Those recurves look to be really opening up!
The specs and profiles alone are enough to make me drool, then the amazing character and color of the bow is just drop dead gorgeous.
No other bows inspire me to get right back to the workbench. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for your nice words, bro.
Yes, the recurves open up a bit. Had them stiff before but wasn't happy with the comfort of draw. After a little scraping, just some grains, I had it were I wanted.
And yes, I'm too got alot of inspiration from your work!
Thanks again all others!!!
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OOOHHHHHHHHHH magic!!
kick that cat away from that beauty !! >:D
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Stunner. Nothing more to say. You did it again. Congratulation Simson :-)
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wow that is some the most beautiful osage i've seen in a long time. or is that from the fuming process?
chuck
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I think he fumes them with ammonia, which gives it that amazing color Chuck.
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wow that is some the most beautiful osage i've seen in a long time. or is that from the fuming process?
chuck
Chuck, that osage was a fresh yeller stick. It is aged/fumed within 5 days. You can watch the process here:
http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,52210.30.html
It is the bow in reply no.32
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Great looking bow with a ton of character! The fuming adds great depth and richness, beautiful, well done Simon.
Ed
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great bow. Can I use ammonia fuming to bend the wood? (to add reflex or recurve)
have you ever tested other method like bakingsoda, vinegar+steel wool+tea(to add more tannin)? and are they have same effect like ammonia fuming?(smoth surface, chemical stain, soft wood like rubber?)
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great bow. Can I use ammonia fuming to bend the wood? (to add reflex or recurve)
have you ever tested other method like bakingsoda, vinegar+steel wool+tea(to add more tannin)? and are they have same effect like ammonia fuming?(smoth surface, chemical stain, soft wood like rubber?)
I have tested all above, except the baking soda. Do you have a recipe for that? I will try for sure. The effects can reached only with the ammonia fuming. At least my experience so far.
Currently I'm working on some other bows with the fuming, so far very promising ... we will see.
I know in industrial use ammonia fuming is used for bending wood. But here with high pressure, nothing for my simple fuming machinery.
Wood bending is a lot easier with the steaming or heat gun method.
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Absolutely 100% amazing! Beautiful detail, shapes, thought process and finish! You Sir have definitely created an absolute masterpiece! Congratulations and very well done! I think I speak for the masses when I say, You are an inspiration to us all!
Patrick
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thank you for reply ;D
here is bakingsoda method link
http://www.thewoodwhisperer.com/videos/aging-wood-with-baking-soda/
you said fuming makes wood like rubber. but is it not enough for bending wood without high pressure?
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Simson,
The final color and finish of this bow is breathtaking! Your handle lamination is flawless. If you hadn't told us it was there I would not have even seen it. Thanks for sharing your workmanship with us. I think I learn something new every time you post a bow.
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thank you for reply ;D
here is bakingsoda method link
http://www.thewoodwhisperer.com/videos/aging-wood-with-baking-soda/
you said fuming makes wood like rubber. but is it not enough for bending wood without high pressure?
Thanks for the link, I will try this!
You get the rubber like when fuming a long time or with pressure. After 5 days the effects is gentle but noticeable. I maid bad mistakes with my first fuming bows with bending /bracing to soon. Got somme deformations .
The right thing is to wait a few days til the wood has stabilized again!
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That qualifies as a character bow and then some!