Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Shooting and Hunting => Topic started by: RabidApache on December 05, 2013, 02:04:37 pm
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Just thought I'd throw this out there. ;)
As a boy I heard my ole' pops friend talk of how in the old days deer hunters would actually act like a deer (movements) and as long as they were down wind they would manage to get to within bow range.
So last year I tried this tactic and all be damnned it works. Now I'm hunting archery only season so I don't get kilt O:). Anyways I hunt this fairly open area for muleys and coues WT in SE Arizona. I usually intercept bucks looking for does (rut in AZ is from Dec-Jan).
Well I didn't have any opportunities at a buck this day so I'm sitting and having lunch. I had been watching a group of does maybe 1/2 a mile out. So I see an opportunity to try this out. I not camo'ed or have a cover scent. Its very open country with scattered juniper. Anyway I know elk are in the area too so I thought......hmmmmm if I carried my bow above my forehead (like an antler)and swayed while walking it kinda looks funny but I wanted to imitate a bull elks walk.
Ok now I'm in the open, deer see me and they're obviously on alert. But I continue in plain sight. Slowly walking swaying side to side like an elk with the Osage bow over my forehead. I stop kneel like I'm browsing and continue. I notice the deer relax and continue feeding. WOW. So I slowly make my way to within 100yds in plain view. I continue like I'm feeding along and still downwind from 2 adult does and a fawn.
I can't believe this so I continue to within 28yds. I could have killed a doe since it is legal with archery equipment in my area but I chose not to. I took this as a well learned skill and let them pass. IDK if it was a fluke but I'm going out again and giving this another shot this year. My season is a month long from Dec1-31.
I'm waiting for the rut to kick in for the WTs. Good luck.
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this last elk season i did that to a 5x5 bull. it was the day before opening. and there was a bull and 18 of his cows. i had seen on the tv this guy put his bow on his head and sway back and forth to a moose. the moose came closer, and closer, even crossing the river. as if he was mesmerized.
so i stepped out of the trees into the open field and with by bow on my head. walked to the herd.
no as soon as a stepped out the bull barks and gathered his herd together in a circle. as i swayed he walked closer, and stopped but if i took a step he would take a step till i got to a point where i didnt feel safe. he was 35-40 yards away. just staring at me then. after what felt like a long time. im thinking he figured me out, when the wind changed. he barked again and the herd took off.
but it is amazing what some of these elk will do when theyre so jacked up on hormones
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I tried the look away and jerk your head back to try to catch a deer moving, (like they do to me) and I tip my head back and lick my upper lip (again like they do to me) this kinda calmed this doe down enough she went back to eating. I did have the wind in my face, wasn't hunting, so no shooting but its pretty neat to get in their head. I have also used cow elk calls for deer while in the brush (making noise) This has worked for me a couple time on deer in BP season, we do have a lot of elk in this area tho. Neat to hear of your experiences, thanks. Ed
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An older friend of mine that lived in Cleveland OH relayed this story to me. Back in the early 1980s he went to his hunt camp and while standing around talking one of the guys spotted a deer standing in the road a hundred yards away. He grabbed his bow and an arrow, bent over and walked backwards looking through his legs. The rest of the guys watched him slowly walk towards the deer as the deer watch inquisitively. When he got in range he stood up, turned and shot the deer.
Deer are very curious animals and can't see details like we can. As long as they don't smell you, you can sometimes fool them.
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Amen Pat!! Never heard it explained like that! Right on.
This site is the best!
DBar
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i had seen on the tv this guy put his bow on his head and sway back and forth to a moose. the moose came closer, and closer, even crossing the river. as if he was mesmerized.
I think I have seen this same video clip. The moose is probably in rut and was looking at the little wheelie bow on the guy's head like it was a smaller bull challenging him. Great way to get stomped into a mudhole and kicked dry! LOL!
I think there is a lot of value to this technique, so long as you can fool their noses. Once the nose is in on the joke, you are the punchline!
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i had seen on the tv this guy put his bow on his head and sway back and forth to a moose. the moose came closer, and closer, even crossing the river. as if he was mesmerized.
I think I have seen this same video clip. The moose is probably in rut and was looking at the little wheelie bow on the guy's head like it was a smaller bull challenging him. Great way to get stomped into a mudhole and kicked dry! LOL!
I think there is a lot of value to this technique, so long as you can fool their noses. Once the nose is in on the joke, you are the punchline!
Yep! That's the one!
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Another trick I discovered was the tail flick. Ever notice how a WT will flick its tail to announce to another deer in the area? It's as though they are saying, "hey I'm a deer, what are you?" Then they go back to doin whatever and calm right down.
For my case I have been in the presence of deer and used my off hand to make a flickering motion from behind my body and noticed them immediately calm down. This works even better if you have saved the tail from a previous deer and just tie it to a belt loop.
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I've done the same with turkeys after someone told me they weren't spooked by something crawling. I've crawled over a hundred yards in a pasture on Gobblers in plain site and watching me, then shooting them with my Black powder shot gun. Chris Cade also showed me a toilet paper trick when I was hunting his place Thanksgiving. I hung a strip of paper from a waist high tree limb on the old rail bed I was hunting on. The big deer I shot stopped long enough and looked at it for me to get a shot on it. He told me they see the white in the breeze and think it's another deer.
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I've done the same with turkeys after someone told me they weren't spooked by something crawling. I've crawled over a hundred yards in a pasture on Gobblers in plain site and watching me, then shooting them with my Black powder shot gun. Chris Cade also showed me a toilet paper trick when I was hunting his place Thanksgiving. I hung a strip of paper from a waist high tree limb on the old rail bed I was hunting on. The big deer I shot stopped long enough and looked at it for me to get a shot on it. He told me they see the white in the breeze and think it's another deer.
Explains why I always see deer while having my morning constitutional out in da woods!
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Nah - It was the "Buck snort" the Deer heard there JW >:D. Bob
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Cool stories!
There are a lot of deer around my brother-in-laws house. I've spent hours watching them. I think they have very good eyesight, so there must be something else going on besides being fooled by camouflage or familiar shapes. I think they compartmentalize the threats. If I sit on the back porch and pop open a bag of chips, they walk right up. But if I take one step off the cut grass and into the woods, they scatter as soon as they hear or smell or see me, for example. As long as you stay away from their metal picture of what they consider a threat, they're fine. And if they consider you weak, they will bully you. It's fascinating.
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I have been practicing scratching my ear with my foot while bent over. That should fool them.
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This is one of the most interesting threads I've read........
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I remember watching one of Steve Irwin's shows and he was rolling toward some wildebeest. He got pretty close too. lol
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I'm not a stalker not in my tatics for buck hunting. REALLY I SUCK AT IT. Exspecially here where the pressures really always on.
But I learned this from my old freind CROOKETARROW and I've did this a 1000 times over.
This is'nt a excuse for good woodsmanship but it works like a charm.
This will only work it you have the wind to your advanage. If the deer smell you game over.
If I've made any noise going to or getting in my stand. I'd also do this after I set up. To put at ease any bucks might be comeing my way. I'll low cluck low yelp,purr take my bow scratch leaves. Turkeys scratching leaves do it with a 3 note, stroke scratching motion .
Deer are use to hereing turkeys plus they know nothing beats their eyes. If turkeys are over there it's safe. So if you make a noise walking in this calms them right down. As long as they don't see you or smell you.
But I should say it here, TURKEYS DON'T BREAK LIMBS WHILE WALKING UNDER THEIR FEET. Do this and you'll surelly get a deers attention.
I've even had a couple deer see me and before they spook I yelp stay put they'll go right back to feeding.
My old freind CROOKETARROW was a stalker it's just how he hunted 95% of the time. IT'S HOW HE LEARNED. He use'd this alot while still hunting or stalking if he made a noise and attracted the deer atention. I've never seen him make a noise. He walked qiuet even when we were just hikeing or walking anytime. He just did'nt do it. He always looked where he was placeing his feet.
He also did this when the leaves were really dry and he had a peice of ground he could'nt be quiet at. He take his bow and use it as a third leg souning like a deer walking not the steadyness of a person walking. If the timeing was right he throw in a grunt or doe bleat. He not only sounded like a deer walking sound was added. Painting a more complete picture. Do this durning the late pre-rut,rut the buck come looking for him.
He'd still hunted the slow easy pace bearly moveing but once he spoted a deer when the deer was'nt looking he move qiuckly and quietly almost at a running crouch before he'd stop again. Then when the timeing was right and the deer was'nt looking he'd do the same again. Untill he was close the n he's slow way down to where he could get a shot. He never wore camo just old brown or gray. He's he reason I qiut wareing camo years ago.
He still hunt early and late always on the down wind side of a deer tail leading to or from food or a bedding area. where and when he had a better chance of running into a deer. IN OTHER WORDS HE'D LET THE DEER DO MOST OF THE WORK.
Then when he saw a deer then he'd go into his stalking mode. He stalked ever deer he saw no matter what,when or where ,but he said only about 5,10 precent was actully stalkable BUT HE'D STILL TRYED. He said if you don't try you'll never do it.
He was also a beleiver in if you don't shoot at the deer you never kill him. So he did always wait on that perfect shot to come about. If he's there and your there neither of you will never be there again do'nt wast the chance. I''ve always been that way also. HE'D SAY IF I GET BLOOD 99% OF THE TIME I CAN TRACK THE DEER DOWN AND FIND HIM. HE MADE HE A TRACKER. LEARN TO USE A TRACKING STICK. Then its up to you. You have to forget about our clock. Deer are not on a set time like we are. So we always want to hurry.
He never try stalking a bedded deer or bedding areas. He said might as well go ahead and walk right to him spook him and start over. Bedded deer are just to keyed on whats going on around them. Bucks bed where they can see thier back trail and smell their excape route.
THE PRAY COMEING OUT IN THEM.
What you all have said about but your bow over your head is true. My brother went to CANADA and hunted woodland caribou with his bow. Here's how theyed get close to them. He's do the bow over the head thing. They'd see a passing band they'd cut them off and get in front of them doing this. This would get their attention bit it never spook them and since the caribou was going that way anyway. They just set up in their paths.
He killed 3 bulls in 3 years with his bow like this.
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Cool stories. I'm a firm believer that deer (maybe all ungulates) see an antlered whatever (beef cow, elk, moose etc..)as a non-predator and is "safe" to let it approach. Body language is also a biggie. But who knows.
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Too move silently whether hunting or warfare apaches would strip down to bare loin cloth cover and moccs.
I do the same but I choose to wear long johns and carhart carpenter shorts with homemade gaiters when I'm out hunting in cooler temps :laugh:. Amazing how much faster and more importantly quieter to go without pants. For shoes I wear an ole ratty pair of leather hiking boots.
In warmer temps I wear shorts with gaiters I made from an old pair of canvas pants that I cut above the knee for protection from thorns and stickers. I slip the gaiters over my boot and tie above my knee when not in "predator" mode. But when in "predator" mode I strip the gaiters and commence to stalking with just the ole' stick and string.
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SOUNDS COOL
BUT NOT HERE IN WV.
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This is all great info. I was able to walk up on a bull moose once, to about twenty yards,by making a "Glunking" type noise, when they are in the rut. Unfortunately, I didn't have a Moose tag, but I did have my rifle ready, in case he got silly, I had seen this on TV with a Wildlife Biologist and his assistant, in Vermont, or Maine. I read in one of the outdoor magazines years ago, about a guy who was hunting in Central America, and one of the Indians there showed him how to get close to deer. He said there was a deer in a clearing, feeding, about 100 yd.s away. So the Indian waited till the deer put his head down, and started feeding again, and started silently walking towards the deer, then he would stop, and the deer would look up and around, and then go back to feeding. The Indian, and deer would repeat this bit, till finally the Indian was within about 10-15 ft. from the deer. Then when the deer put his head down again, the Indian reached down and picked up a rock, and hit the deer with it, which then bounded away. He told the guy, that deer will feed for about ten seconds, and then look up for about 2 -3 seconds or so, and then go back to feeding. If you are down wind, and walk slowly and quietly, for about eight seconds, and then stand still, the deer will look up and at you and around and then go back to feeding. I tried this down in the big Cypress Swamp area, where we had a Cabin. I saw a doe and fawn, this was in the Spring or so, and the fawn was still covered in spots. Well they were about 70 some yards or so, and I told my buddy, to watch. So I waited till their heads were down, and did the stalk. I was about 40 yd.s or so, or might have been closer, it was along time ago, but I remember I was amazed at how close I was able to get. But at about that distance from them before I could get any closer, Jr. looked up out of sequence, saw me take a step, and told Mama! She looked right at me, not around as to see what the kid was talking about, but right at me! Finally after doing the head turn and foot stomping, she finally relaxed, and went back to eating, but not the little brat! finally I just started running towards them, making monster noises, (OK acting and looking like a lunatic) they took off, while the kid was saying, "See Ma, I told ya there was booger over there!" But it worked great till Jr. didn't keep his head down long enough. There is also the use of card board, or door skin wood cut outs, of cows, that are painted in the type that are in the area, if there are any, and you just put a small frame on the back and walk at an angle to the deer, stopping periodically, as a cow would, and don't be in any particular hurry. I have thought about making one of these with a swivel pin for the neck, so I could lower the head and neck as if it were feeding. Maybe even pull up some grass for the sound effect. There was an article that just used a sheet of light ply wood or door skin (Luan mahogany) with a light frame on the back so the front was at an angle to the ground, and then covered the front with Mylar so that it reflected the ground. So from the deer, or antelope's view, it looked like just ground. Drawback,...... you can't use it with the sun in front of you.
Wayne
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Genius! cant wa
it to try this next season.
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I love bow hunting but I rifle hunt mostly. My dad farms a field near my house that is probably 400yds2 and has a ditch running smack down the middle of it. The ditch has sage and cockle burs in it but not real thick. This year the field had soy beans in it (my favorite). On 3 different occasions this year I've worn my dark brown carhart jacket and blue jeans and just bend over 90 degrees at the hip and slowly walk down the edge of the ditch all the way to the other end of the field where the deer were. I don't know if they just don't see me or they think I'm a deer. The carhart jacket is the same color as a deer. Each time I've walked within 100 yds. One time the ground was frozen and very crunchy. Our deer are usually super skittish.
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RabidApache,
Thanks for sharing. I was just bow hunting some coues whitetail in the superstitions mountains (AZ unit 26b) a few weeks ago. I normally wait till their heads are down to approach but I may start trying this other technique. I stalked some does pretty close but I'm not allowed to take those, rules are prob different on the rez.
That's really interesting how the apaches used to hunt. I wonder if it would be the same effect if I were to secure a few branches to my head. Only during archery season, however, to avoid the omnipresent and dangerous nimrod who would shoot a guy with sticks on his head.
I work a lot with the Pima and Maricopa Native Americans (aka Akimel O'Othams and Pee Posh from Gila River). I talked with a guy who hunts the Estrella Mountains for big horn sheep. He said he would not take a shower for a week before the hunt and bathe in dirt to try to get rid of his smell. He learned this from his dad he said. Not sure if it was more of a ritual for him or if it really worked to fool his prey. Everyone has their own method I suppose.
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He said he would not take a shower for a week before the hunt and bathe in dirt to try to get rid of his smell. He learned this from his dad he said. Not sure if it was more of a ritual for him or if it really worked to fool his prey. Everyone has their own method I suppose.
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I hate to break it to him but I've had people come in my office that haven't bathed for a week. I smell them. Usually as soon as they open the door. Like you said, "Everyone has their own method I suppose."
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I hate to break it to him but I've had people come in my office that haven't bathed for a week. I smell them. Usually as soon as they open the door. Like you said, "Everyone has their own method I suppose."
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Ya, I sorta think he made this up and is probably not an actual tradition (maybe its more of a spiritual ritual than anything). I think I read in "Hunting With the Bow and Arrow" (Saxton Pope) that Ishi would bathe in the stream before a hunt to get rid of his smell.
-jojo-
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When going on a hunt, the elders told me they would not eat for two to three days and take smoke bathes prior to hunting game.
I guess the reason being IMO, when hunting on an empty stomach you'd do anything for a bite to eat. So basically everything is more focused and your determined to kill.
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When going on a hunt, the elders told me they would not eat for two to three days and take smoke bathes prior to hunting game.
I guess the reason being IMO, when hunting on an empty stomach you'd do anything for a bite to eat. So basically everything is more focused and your determined to kill.
Where I went to college we had a lot of Indian (from India) exchange students there. I could never sit by one because they stank. I was told it wasn't a lack of bathing, it had to do with the large amount of curry they ate and the smell came thru their skin. I don't know how much truth there was in it but maybe not eating for a few days would lessen body odor.
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I've not tried any of the motions or noises you all have mentioned, but I have had some luck getting very close to mule deer in little or no cover. I wonder if the trick isn't so much looking or acting like an animal so much as just not looking or acting like a human hunter.
I was out today (Colorado archery season is on) and had an experience similar to some above. It was summer-time hot out and the deer went to bed very early, so I decided to go bed-jumping. As Crooketarrow suggested, it doesn't often work, but I do have some luck. I spotted a doe on an open slope in the shade of a trio of ponderosa pines. I had a tail-side view and she was "meditating" so I thought I'd see how close I could get. We haven't had rain for two weeks and it's been hot so the forest floor was about as quiet as bubble wrap. I got to about 25 yards when my little noises finally made her decide to stand up. I froze. She looked around, looked at me for about 10 minutes and went back to bed, but this time she lay down facing me. I had no cover. I waited another 20 minutes without moving, until birds and squirrels had her attention instead. I started moving at an angling approach (not directly toward her), one inch at a time. She just watched me. I got to about 20 yards (too far, by far, for me to risk a sternum shot on a prone deer) when she stood up, stretched of all things, and moseyed a little to my left. She took her time walking away, never alarmed, and she didn't run. In fact she stopped to browse a little only 40 yards from me. Clearly she was watching me ever since she stood up the first time. There have been archery hunters in the woods for 3 weeks and muzzle-loaders for one. Its an area full of people often, so I know she's not just "people-dumb." I think that because I didn't make noise like a person, or act like a person, she decided I must not be a person to worry about, unless I got too close.
I've busted deer from hide-hole beds on hot days and if they don't make me, and my noise wasn't overmuch, they will just wander 50 yards or so to another bed with less noise about. Then, when I have seen where they bed, I can plan a route and put a sneak on. It's really hard to get close enough for a traditional bow shot, but it's worked for rifle.
Experts say that deer will never return to a busted bed, but that's not true. I scared a pair out three weeks ago and followed them as I mentioned above. Their new bed left me no approach and it was right on the private property line so I waved at them and started to walk away. One went deeper into private property, the other followed me back onto National Forest territory. As soon as there were some bushes between us, she slunk off. I was waiting for her to come out but never saw her. Deduction told me there was only one place for her to escape without my notice so I followed that track and it led right back to her first bed. She wanted her favorite bed back so badly that she followed me through the woods to get to it. I tried to sneak up on it, but she was just too wary by then. She busted out in a hurry.
Thanks, all. Fun stuff.
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Its been my experience that when experts say the words never and always they aren't experts!
Have you thought about using a decoy? I have the cow elk heads up decoy that i can hold in bow arm. I have closed the distance from 100 to about 50 yards on elk and really confused some mule deer with it.
Patrick
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I'd be afraid of drawing fire with an elk decoy. Even out of season, we've got elk poachers up here big time.
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I don't think I'd use it during gun season. Since deer and elk can't see orange can you put something orange on your decoy to help with that?
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Please don't use a decoy if you think its going to be dangerous. My decoy is just the neck and head (Heads Up decoy) not the full body version. I can hold it in my bow arm when stalking - otherwise its just tucked under my arm or in my pack.
I haven't been somewhere that I have been concerned that I am going to get taken out by a poacher. I would never use a decoy during any kind of firearm season even if it has orange on it. Some numb skull would still shoot it.
Just yesterday I was able to close the distance from about 125 yards to 50 yards on some cow elk in a bull only hunting area. I was just practicing with the decoy to see how close I could get. I haven't had a chance to see a bulls reaction to it.
Patrick
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We'll see how it goes this year. I'll be equipped with a mini-camera (go-pro type) and give it a go.
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I crawl up on deer pretty regular and they will see me. I get down and then come back up with my wrist against my head and my hands poking out the sides like a set of ears. I putt my elbows close together and look at them, I even move my "ears" around a little. Cock them out the sides of your head at an angle to imitate the angle of a dears ears. They calm right down after they have Identified you as a deer. I crawl up to within 50 yards or so of them in wheat stubble. When they look up and cock their ears at you, you just give them the ears again. This works really well and consistantly.Just imitate the speed and motion of the deer you are crawling up on. I get some really good pictures with this method. ' Frank
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Does nobody stalk barefooted? It's like cheating!
Some really interesting stories there. Thanks for an entertaining read everybody :)
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Well here's the story. I did it again but in a whole different area. 8) So my brother and I spot two does and a forked horn buck on a distant ridge. I instructed my brother to hand signal if and when I spook the deer when crossing a thick patch of cat-claw and cactus. I literally had to draw my knife out to chop a few cactus pads out of my way a few times. I cross onto the same ridge with the deer. I glance back and my bro gives it an OK. They're still there!
I'm not dressed in camo just normal everyday wear. Jeans and a gray hoodie sweater.
So now I'm 250yds down hill in plain sight with scattered cover. I step forward with the bow overhead and sway the "horn" to get the does attention. They immediately notice and give a stare down for a few minutes. I look thru my binos and see that they're looking straight at me. In a crouched position I move forward, to mimick a feeding animal I pluck the brush. I look back up at the deer for a few more minutes and then they relax!!!!!! Wow. I now know I have'em. Body language tells all. I keep at it until I reach 60 yds. The wind is in my favor the whole time. The deer are located on a slope above me. I had to add that during this whole time I'm taking my time. Moving from bush to bush in a slow zig-zag pattern. If you ever notice a feeding beef cow in the open range it never feeds in a direct path. It just kinda in and out, no real pattern when feeding. In my part of the country, cattle and deer are the norm.
By now the two does are visible but the buck had bedded. I could not see where he had gone but since they're rutting I assume he was nearby. The weird thing about this is, I could literally get away with movement and noise. I'm at 30yds and moving parallel with the feeding does. Looking up occasionally and scanning for the buck. At this time my arrow is nocked and ready. I move around a Jojoba bush into a clear pathway. I scan once more and there he is. At 20yds!! He's scanning left to right looking for his gals. I side step to my left into a shooting path. The does are to my left and the buck on my right. Only thing I see is his antler tips moving thru the bush.
I get ready............here he comes.........draw.....release and MISS. Shot too far forward just missing his brisket. At 18yds I was thrilled to have fooled'em again. I wanted to capture it on my camera but it was so much of a hassle messing with the camera I left it.
I think the thing I noticed the second time during my approach which I did not notice the first time was distance. IMO you need to have enough SAFE distance and time for the deer to determine if your a danger. Needless to say I never got a deer this year.
But I tell you what, it was such a great feeling to stalk these group of deer in front of an audience. My bro neph and another on-looker.
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Woohoo! Heck of a story!
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Yup Thanks. Next year I plan to make a head dress and see the results.
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You need one of those horse head masks I've seen on TV
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Well I tried walking with my bow on my head towards four deer. They let me get 150 yards and decided I was too ugle to be a cow and bolted. Rats, foiled again. So walkin barefoot on freezing ground I made my way slowly towards a trail crossing only to have them see me and run again. I was crouched and moving slow with wind in my favor. I finally nested in tall grass and never saw them again. Ill try again tomorrow.
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Well I tried walking with my bow on my head towards four deer. They let me get 150 yards and decided I was too ugle to be a cow and bolted. Rats, foiled again. So walkin barefoot on freezing ground I made my way slowly towards a trail crossing only to have them see me and run again. I was crouched and moving slow with wind in my favor. I finally nested in tall grass and never saw them again. Ill try again tomorrow.
Did you moo. Try mooing. Oh and video it so we can see. >:D
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You need one of those horse head masks I've seen on TV
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Nope, I rather make my own. I've seen some old deer masks in a couple books before, not just Apache but other tribes. I now know exactly how and what it was used for. Pretty awesome trick.
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Well I tried walking with my bow on my head towards four deer. They let me get 150 yards and decided I was too ugle to be a cow and bolted. Rats, foiled again. So walkin barefoot on freezing ground I made my way slowly towards a trail crossing only to have them see me and run again. I was crouched and moving slow with wind in my favor. I finally nested in tall grass and never saw them again. Ill try again tomorrow.
Did you moo. Try mooing. Oh and video it so we can see. >:D
Good idea! Ill try that.I will try and video it. Maybe have my wife with me, dressed as a heifer. She can record.
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Didnt even see a deer today. But I think I figured out how to sound like a quadruped. Take the same step with each foot twice. I was able to get literally 3 feet from field mice wolking slow, barefoot, double stepping like that. Boy is it slow going but thats the point. Sneak up on a mouse and I think thats good.
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Hay RABITAPACHE one of my golds in life is to kill a cou's buck. With a selfbow ofcource Well I'm 53 and diabetic have AR so my times coming closer a lot faster than I' want.
Your ruts my off season so Lets trade a hunt. Can't promass you a thing HUNTINGS HUNTING. But you'll see bucks in the 120's,130's We see a 140' er every now and them. I Have 3 farms and a couple smaller places. I HAVE CONTROL OF half manged one for 11 years. LOTS OF BEANS CORN ALFA ALL AROUND THESE FARMS OR PLACES. WE CAN HUNT BUT IT'S POPULATERED. But the bucks are here.
My youngest son BRIER 14 teen the second evening of our rifle season. Missed a 5 1/2 20 wide 8 point at least 250 pounds. Had half of the right side broken off. He was 100 yards I had him in the bio's at the shot. Making a scrape. Brier shot the buck just looked around. I haven't shot a buck with a rifle since 05. Here we have a 71/2 big 6 point I saw him 4 or 5 times through the years he's 300#'s easy.
But if I'd been the shooter he'd been dead.
And if you gobbler hunt I'm your man. I learned from grandaddy He hunted 88 springs in a row. He shot gunned 312 gobblers. Ad did start counting to into the 30's. Up untill then him and his twin brother justr shot them for food. I've killed 39 with a shotgun and 15 selfbow kills. I'll call you one up or if you chose you do the calling. WE'LL SEE 15 TO 20 GOBBLERS OUT IN THE FIELDS struting. My best morning I saw 29 gobblers that morning and arrowed a 2 year with a TEXAS CHERT point.
4 Times I had jakes wip up on and jake decoy. Before this 2 year old one came to show his domance.
This farm I live on has a good 100 birds on it. And I have 3 other farms I can bow only. I've arrowed gobblers at all these places. Well be along on them all. So Maybe we can work something out that way.
I'm perty poor so I'd just camp some where. May bring my son Brier He's missed 3 deer with his self bow. But a 14 he likes to rifle hunt. We all likely took that trail. Maybe a week or so. I'd deside after I got there.