Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: ken75 on December 01, 2010, 06:53:40 pm
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heres one i finished today its hickory 63 inches tip to tip , 1 1/2 at fades 1/4 inch tips . finished 48lbs at 28. this one has 8 inch stiff tips that narrow and thicken with an almost undectectable fade into the limbs. limb tips are black walnut , handle is scraps of bullsnake skin wrapped on each end with hemp twine. floppy arrow rest and ebony stain . this one was designed and built with broadhead flight shooting in mind ill let ya know the outcome hopefully tomorrow. thanks for lookin
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Ken, what is boring about a nice bow? Looks nice from here anyway.
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Nothing Boring about that at all! Sweet looking and has a "make my day" look to it!
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Very well done in every category. Tiller is excellent. Jawge
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Hey Ken,
Cant wait to hear about the results. Looks like a good 'un.
rich
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What, no levers? What the hell?? :P
That's a nice lookin' bow Ken. Boring is not an appropriate adjective. I like the stain, looks very... um, rustic?
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thanks lombard, nate ,rich , cam ,jawge !
couldnt come up with a good name for this one ,just a plain hickory board bow
cam it does if you look close , last 8 inches are nonbending
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cam it does if you look close , last 8 inches are nonbending
Oh ya, I guess I was too busy looking at the purdy pictures to read!
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Boring? Yeah...boring nice little neat holes in the target! Another sweet bow, ken.
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Ken, nice looking bow. I like the ebony stain on hickory. It gives it a slightly greenish tint. Next time I use it I think I'll add a bit of green dye to it to see if I can "pop" the green a little more.
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Nice, that grip looks good and I like the subtle blend into the stiffer tip.
Love to know how she chucks those arrows.
Del
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Wow, that is really my kind of bow. I really like the ultra naarrow tips and the subtle transition into the nonbendimg outer limbs, no excess mass here. Very well done and I think you will be pleased with the flight test results. The only thing I might have done differently is maybe a couple of inches more length so I could pull it behind my ear for those extra yards on the flight range. Anxious for your test results. Kenneth
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Beautiful bow I like everything about it. :)
Pappy
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nice bow!! im working on an osage with the same thoughts in mind .let us know how it does.i like the simplicity of that leather rest set up.have you had any problems wirh that abrupt edge sticking out? as in arrow kicking up?
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thanks everyone ,ill let ya know what happens , not yet ohma
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Very nice looking bow, should do pretty well. Steve
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Very nice, as usual with your bows!
Mark
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Unbelievable bow! I would have never thought it possible to make a hickory bow to those dimensions/weight and end up with almost no set. Did you heat treat the bow? What kind of hickory is that?
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thanks Steve , Mark , WV hope what i sent you helped i havent heat treated a bow in almost a year , not against it ,i just dont .i cut a pignut hickory while back and had it milled im using boards from it now
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Ken, thanks for the info. Your bows are an inspirational ,to say the least. I had almost given up on making a pyramid style bow out of hickory. I see it can be done after looking at the bows you have made.
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one of the worst probs i had with pyramids was to much tip movement and not enough near handle wood moving . ended up with set in the outter limbs . you gotta get the mid to near handle wood working but not enough to take set
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Just realized that the title reads #56 not 56# Wow Ken, You truly are a bow making machine!
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Hey Ken - stupid question, but when you have a tree milled like that, does it have to season first or is it milled green and then seasoned? I would think the boards would go all snakey if cut green?
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lol Nate. milled green stacked so they dont twist
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well i just got a chance to flight shoot this bow today , average conditions 510 grain arrows 5 1/2 inch parabolic fletch with MA2 broadheads. four shot best was a surprising 191 yards. shortest shot was 188. ive got a tri lam r/d bow floor tillered and a chirstmas bow to build , but next one for flight i think i will go 68 inch so that i can overdraw to 30 or 31 inches . according to tbb4 thats the key to long flight ...horsepower !! anyways hope yall enjoyed this ,was a blast for me
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Wow Nice Job Ken!
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thanks Nate
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12 yards, 1 foot, 2 inches shy of the world's record......not to damned shabby bud.
rich
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Sweet !
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makes me wonder what effect the temp and rh difference would have on flight between here and utah
thanks Rich
thanks john k
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great numbers there Ken.
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Ken, cut your feathers down to 4" and 1/2" high. Use an active release, in otherwords draw the bow back until the broadhead hits the bow and then release while your hand is still drawing the bow, kinf of rip your finger off the string. Also if you remove 10 grains it might add 1 more yard and if you drew it back to a full 50# you might add a few more yards, I bet I could get that thing out to 215 yards. Steve
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Just seen the pic of all that timber, must've been one heck of a tree...
Shame we don't get Hickory growing in the UK >:(.
Del
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Nice bow ken.Your flight results sound very good as well. God Bless
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Yep, was pretty sure this bow was going to be a shooter, congratulations. Kenneth
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Maybe you treat the bow with a gun and get a little more wood bending from the fades and try to pull to 30" - I think the bow can handle that when you tiller carefully after treating. And as Steve said, try to get 50#...
Greetz
Cord
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thanks ohma
steve i was going by what i thought was within the rules for the broadhead flight shooting , guess i need to search more on feather length heigth and so on . im going to build another similar but longer and keep the lbs up round 50 and maybe heat treat the belly . always time for another expirement bow. im releasing like you suggest .
del thats one of two stacks and only the bottom 12 foot of the log the rest went to smoking boston butts , unfortunately. i was just informed by my pops we have to cut another one so i get the pick and its gonna be big.too bad u dont have hickory its fine bow wood in my opinion.
thank you Pete
thanks john
Bam im happy with the stress this one has withstood , im gonna build another (force myself to)
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Ken, I have always shot the 5" feathers as well, someone recently told me I could legaly go down to 4" I guess i didn't read the rules very well. Steve
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Steve im goning to build a set of six arrows before the next flight bow ,most of mine start at 3/8ths but i can turn them down and taper them also . would you have a suggestion on best wood and best taper ...barrel ,bobtail . also i think ill use secondary feathers mounted straight and stick with four by half as you said.
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Ken, just an opinion here but for broadhead arrows I believe that a straight shaft is fine, about 11/32 poc is what I normaly use with a 100 grain point, slightly less foc seems to help carry a bit further. Are you thinking about attending the flight shoots at some point, I have a feeling you would enjoy it, just the people who attend make the trip worthwhile. I think the 7,000 ft elevation may aslo give the distance a little boost. I was shooting a modern longbow at sea level that was measured to be about the fastest any longbow has ever shot and was only getting about 215 yards. Steve
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Sorry I'm so late to comment. That's a mighty fine bow ken. For as little set as it looks to have taken it must be a screamer. I hope to get into making a flight bow sometime soon.
Badger - what kind of selfbow's have been winning at flight shoots? Baker style bows, recurves, R/D, holmies/molly's?
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Ryoon,
I hope it's OK if I jump in here. The recent winning self bows at the Bonneville Salt Flats in the regular flight classes have been molly's. It is a much more mixed-bag with the broadhead classes. Some of the broadhead record holding bows of the past may be considered thick pyramid (like Jeremiah Retherford's) or deflex-recurve style such as Marc St.Louis is known for. I may have some pictures of some past winning bows somewhere that I can post if I can find them.
Ken,
I hope you consider giving the Salt Flats a shot. It is a lot of fun to tweak the bow, arrows & shooting technique to see how far you can get them to go.
-Alan
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Steve , on down the road when i have more experience building and designing i think it would be great . right now im still a newbie just finished my first year building and need a lot more work. if it gets to the point i can come close to the record distance where i live in south GA with this humidity then i would definetly consider it. seems like a lot of fun and some great info shared among the shooters.
thanks Ryoon its a great shooting bow ,although i always find room for improvement.
Alan one of these days .
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Ken,
Georgia to the Salt Flats is a long trip! Another option that we've done in the past is mail in the bow so that it can be matched up to a flight archer who will be at the competition. Not all archers use all of their allotted rounds so this gives a chance for some of the archers to have a little more fun while they are there. The down side, is they might set a record using your bow that you might find very difficult to beat yourself at a later date. :)
Another flight shooter, Jaap Koppledrayer often drives in from Odum, GA. I don't know how far that is from you but he makes some beautiful horn bows and Japanese Yumi type bows.
-Alan
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I held the 50# broadhead record beating my own for a few years with a regular straight bow. The bow that beat me by a few ft last time was a hickory straight bow. I plan to go get my record back next year. By straight bow I mean a semi pyramid flatbow. Steve
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how bout i just mail Steve a bow , he can shoot it
whens the shoot ?
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Good topic, interesting discussion. Thanks guys.
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very welcome Hrothgar, this stuffs a blast for me ,glad people are interested