Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Shooting and Hunting => Topic started by: JW_Halverson on October 28, 2008, 12:23:10 pm
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I've been spending more time practicing my form rather than shooting for accuracy since I got an archery net. The net is pure white and your arrow flight really stands out against it, flaws in flight seem to be magnified. I found I can shoot longer and concentrate better when shooting for form rather than shooting at a target. With the target, when I get a bad arrow I tend to dwell on it and things just go from bad to worse. When I shoot for form, I go all Keith Carradine/Kung Fu Zen Master. I get a groove going, feel a rhythm, and I start seeing just a nock with fletching spinning around it. With the large net backstop I can even relax to the point that I can draw, nock, shoot, and repeat with my eyes closed. I know it sounds HoodooVoodoo/Fung Shui/Airy-Fairy, but it helps you focus on muscle memory. It's muscle memory that takes over when your mind spins out of control over the t'irty point buck and you want to make that pure release that sends the shaft home.
I'm shooting about a dozen shots for form for every shot at a target and surprise, surprise surprise, I am now shooting more accurately. I just got some steel blunts to replace the field points that occasionally blow thru the netting so the net should last indefinitely.
I found that I can bare shaft test much more effectively with the white background of the netting, too. The 10' x 10' net is good for beginners because there is so much backstop to grab the arrow they lose/break far fewer arrows.
Has it made me the Second Coming of Howard Hill? H*** no! At least I don't suck so bad that I quit practicing because it just depresses me. I spend very little time behind the 3D looking for arrows nowadays and that says a lot to me. Let's home it leads to more practice following blood trails.
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amen brother. i spend more time on form than shooting these days
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Congratulations on your improved shooting skills. Consistancy and proper shooting form are essential for good accuracy. I normally shoot three days a week and I use one for these days to just work on my form. Shoot straight.
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That's awesome! Now I want to try one ;D.
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I was thinking today that I haven't shot (practiced) in a long time because I'm hunting so much. Heck, I need to shoot some ??? ??? ???
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where do you find a Net that will stop Arrows??? I am interested...fer sher..........
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If you do a search on google or hayoo for "archery netting" you will probably find a couple thousand sources. It comes in black and in white. I got the 10 x 10 for a little over $100. Prices vary, be wary.
Make sure it hangs loosely so that the material can "give" with the arrow hits, otherwise even light bows will blow field points straight thru.
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An old rug hung up works well too. This is what I use Cause it's cheap. Up to 60 lbs. I've never had one blow through it. I'm just a cheap a**. They were gonna throw it out so I put it to use.
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i shoot apples ;D
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I shoot Feral Cats............ >:D
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I was thinking today that I haven't shot (practiced) in a long time because I'm hunting so much. Heck, I need to shoot some
You've been getting all your practice here lately at the real thing! ;)
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i read a book that many of you may find interesting. It is titled "zen in the art of archery". it is about a foriegner who travels to japan and practices archery for 8 years until he is a zen master, the first foreigner to do so. While the japanes style is different, the book addresses the elusive perfect release, or lack there of, and the man shoots for a few years beforee he ever tries to hit any target. talk about practicing your form! the book goes into visualization, feeling, and allowing the arrow to do what it wants, which with training, is ultimately what you want. you can't tell the arrow where to go, you have to ask it in perfect (language) "form". interesting read if you are so inclined.
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i read a book that many of you may find interesting. It is titled "zen in the art of archery". it is about a foriegner who travels to japan and practices archery for 8 years until he is a zen master, the first foreigner to do so. While the japanes style is different, the book addresses the elusive perfect release, or lack there of, and the man shoots for a few years beforee he ever tries to hit any target. talk about practicing your form! the book goes into visualization, feeling, and allowing the arrow to do what it wants, which with training, is ultimately what you want. you can't tell the arrow where to go, you have to ask it in perfect (language) "form". interesting read if you are so inclined.
ODesn't sound that far off from what Byron Fergusson seems to teach, or what Hill did. What sort of accuracy did he get?
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I think I read somewhere that Byron Ferguson honed his shooting skills shooting in the dark, or something like that. I can see how one would concentrate more with their eyes closed and rely on muscle memory rather than what their brain is telling them to see. I know what you mean about getting in the zone. I have been shooting for about 4 years, and this is the first year that I am finally starting to feel the "zone". Confidence goes a long way!
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When you are in that Zen Zone there comes a time you "feel" the arrow flight before you release and you know where the point of impact will be immediately on release. And that can be distracting. Mark Baker, the guy that did the muzzleloader training for the stars in the movies "The Patriot" and "Last of the Mohicans", really said it best in an article he wrote about 9 years ago..."Aim small, miss small".
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Susequehannok, I've heard of that as well. I think he talks about that in his book. Somewhere I remember reading about shooting at a lit candle in the dark. I do alot of "form" practice, where I will stand 5-10yd from a good backstop, close my eyes, and concentrate on coming to draw, hitting a solid anchor, and releasing. This really forces you to concentrate on form. This has really helped my shooting over the last few years. I still suffer from "target panic" a bit, but this has really helped me.
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When you are in that Zen Zone there comes a time you "feel" the arrow flight before you release and you know where the point of impact will be immediately on release. And that can be distracting. Mark Baker, the guy that did the muzzleloader training for the stars in the movies "The Patriot" and "Last of the Mohicans", really said it best in an article he wrote about 9 years ago..."Aim small, miss small".
and that explains why i shoot at impossibly small things like bottle tops on strings, those little apples, and a vine about a quarter of an inch thick on the side of a rotten tree. even when i miss (which i admit is offen) it is usually by less that 2 inches.
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Yeah, explains why my buddy, Barry, has a record of shooting perfect "field goal" arrows between buck's antlers!!! >:D
But when he's roving around shooting yucca plants he can pick a stem or leaf and cut it every time.
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Yes Titan,
I think you are right. I believe I read about him shooting at candles or small lights in the dark.
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I try to shoot every day... hard to do with work.. at least 150 arrows each time ... no substitute for practice.. seems to work for me .... i can't rely on good form, most of my shots while in a huntin situation do not exactly allow for perfect form during the shot.. happy hunting Hawk
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Hawk, when I say shooting for form, I guess I really mean the draw, anchor, release aspects. If your bow arm, release hand, anchor point, etc. are all in tune, it doesnt matter what the rest of your body is doing. I agree that hunting situations rarely allow for proper field archery type form, but whether I'm hanging out against my treestand harness, twisted back around the tree, or knelt down in the sage with my bow parallel to the ground, if my bow arm is solid, I have a good solid anchor point, follow through the shot, the arrow is going to go right where I want it to.
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I agree brother... happy hunting HAWK
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With trad archery form is the most important thing to learn, and learn early. Once you have ingrained the form into your psyche your instincts can take over when time for the shot comes. Ideally you want everything to happen without you having to think about anything except where the arrow WILL go!
Shooting every day gives you the experience to do this. I try to shoot every day but it is not always possible...and lately I can tell from my shooting. ::) Generally when I do shoot, 25 or 30 arrows a day is all I shoot. More than that, I start getting sloppy. Just before hunting season I will shoot one arrow a day from an elevated stand(front porch) at a 3D deer. Sometimes once in the morning and once in the evening. I practice from the elevated stand, from the ground, unknown distances, around and through opening in bushes, up hill and down and one most don't ever think about...straight down. This is not a good shot to have to take. I have tried it once and made the shot but generally it is a low percentage shot. By practicing shots you will probably never have to take keeps your shooting sharp.
I took a shot at a running deer a few years ago. I would never take a shot at a running deer but instinct took over. I'll never know if the shot was good because a gum tree jumped in front of the arrow. ;D ...but the shot felt good! Even if you don't intend to take a particular shot, add it to your practice routine. You never know when your brain will take over and make the shot. Pat