Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: half eye on April 28, 2016, 07:43:52 pm
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Hey fellas,
Since I hate to waste anything thought I would make a bow from some scrap pieces from the "friends" posted bows.
This is a split off a short piece of osage from Jon W. has a knot in the last 6" of the lower limb but thius Osage was way too nice to waste it. The whitetail back sinew is the thin pieces left from those original 3 bows. The blacksnake skin is 2 pieces left from doing the 2 Pentecost bows also material from Jon.
Got her tillered out, then sinewed it, then applied the snake skins. The string is special to me because it was made by Gutshot's daughter Ms. Lauren. She calls it pink lemonade....thanks you young lady. I did a silly thing during the sinew job and went edge to edge across the lower limb knot so I'm stuck with a less than even brace profile.....but the full draw and lack of any set speaks to the overall tiller. The bow weighs 47# @ 25" which is my draw length.....this little girl is going to be my covered blind bow....
enjoy the pics fellas, comments welcome....2 sets of pics
rich
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rest of the pics
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You could probably get another...ohhhh....half inch or so out of that one :P. Nice Lil woopin stick rich.
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Damn Rich, those short little bows of yours are amazing the heck out of me.
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that s a nice one, I have a 48 inch I was afraid to go 25,, now Im gonna try it,, :)
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Thank you for the nice comments, much appreciated. To be honest I'm surprised that it doesn't really stack and it is very well balanced in the hand...
rich
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I should send you another piece so you can do a set back handle. Osage+sinew= 8) 8) 8). Sweet bow my friend. I can't believe you got any bows out of that crappy wood.
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That's a dandy little bow.
The full draw picture is all a fella needs to see to know that little stick will get the job done.
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Rich,
You bent that one... 42" pulling 25"? :o :o :o Your draw is pulling way more than half the bows total length...That's amazing...That bend is balanced and I love the slightly positive tiller, I can see it well in the braced picture...You've pushed way beyond the envelope once again...Give us a mass weight on that "stick"...Unstrung say's it all ;)
Don
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Rich you need to get your self a paint horse ride it backwards and shoot you some squirrels threw the woods of Michigan with that little sucker. I like that bend. And Lauren loved that you are using her string!
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Hey Rich, I looked at the pics first and thought now what is this - a wonky stick ...
But found the f/d balanced out very nice. After reading the text, I admire your skill. You did a very good job saving all the materials from the junk box. Oh, and I'm with you, I don't through a piece of osage in the fire wood box. It's just too good.
Do you have a detail pic of the string/nock, how do you prevent slipping of?
Great bow with low cost! Oh, and the young Lady's work gives a nice extra!
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Love those shorties very nice bow !
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FD says it all. Excellent work.
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Beautiful little shorty. Excellent for a blind bow.
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Hey fellas,
Took some close up shots of the knocks, skin and sinew job, and one of the edge of the bow. The majority of the bow is only 2 rings thick, the exception being the very tips and the center 4-5 inches.
Jon W, ya the wood you give me is really crappy....ya right. 47# at way over half length and 2 rings thick.....I'll take that wood any day sir 8)
Paul, thank you sir
Don, will get that weight as soon as I re-wire my battery connections on the electronic scale sir.
Gutshot, glad you like it sir, and really like Laurens string.
Simon, attached close up pics sir
Stickbender, john, redhand.....thank you for the compliments, much appreciated....and I like me a good shorty for the close-up dirty work in the thick stuff. Of course that bad Jon W has to enable my addiction to "make 'em short, strong and rip 'em on back....he's a bad influence he is >:D >:D
enjoy the pics fellas
rich
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rest of them
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Nice Short Bow. That FD is impressive I'd be scared to even try to pull that much draw.
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Fellas, I just couldn't take the ugly brace anymore so I took a REAL close look at the knot and did a little "tweeking" to the width around it and a very little belly scraping and got it closer to acceptable.
Lost one pound but the unbraced and full draw still look good so I think I can live with the braced profile now. Here are the pics....
rich
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that looks better ,, glad you only lost a pound,,
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Mr. Don,
got the scale fixed and the bow weighs 8-5/8 ounces....246 grams. That is bow, sinew, snakeskin and the pitch and grease finish.
Bradsmith, the lesson here for next time was to pay way more attention to how much sinew ya put where and to keep it even.
rich
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My goodness, Rich. That is an awesome bow. You have every part bending. Well done!
Jawge
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Rich out of curiosity do you know how fast that bow is shooting I real like that bow & keep coming back to this thread to look at it & keep wondering how fast that short bow is shooting ?
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Thank you Jawge...
Stickbender, I dont own a chronograph....if you consider a guys experience with other bows then it's pretty darned quick. I can always paint an arrow some high rez color and see how far it goes out into the field....not very scientific though.
rich
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I was going to comment on your tiller but you tuned her right u! Nicely done sir!!
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I'm gonna be the jerk this time. I personnaly liked the first f/d better. Nothing bad about the new one but the first looked better balanced to me. Sometimes we split hairs over the brace look. I like a good f/d over a perfect brace. That's just this a- hole's opinion. Still a killer bow Rich.
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yes getting the sinew on even can be tricky,, and it makes the tiller go better when even, I am always hesitant to scrape the sinew, some say it can be done, I have not had much luck with that,, :)
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Jon, no a-hole about it my friend....The first one had a positive tiller and drew and shot very well.....guess I just couldn't stand that much PT....It still shoots real good and quick though so at least I didn't screw up a good shooter/hunter......This will serve me as a lesson leaned though, so thanks bud.
rich
Bradsmith, typing same time as you. The problem was that while laying the sinew it did not dawn on me to not completely cover the entire knot. The bow is about 1-1/16" wide while the knot was 1-1/4 wide so that alone threw the tiller out....so I scraped the edges of the area around the knot and a little off the belly to even it out. All that would not have been necessary had I just run the sinew 1-1/16 wide over the knot in the first place.
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You make some small bows BUD I've never make a 42'' 47# bow.
You have a distink style that stands out ;D.
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awesome as always buddy
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That one is ready for the ground blind. Amazing bend Rich.
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Thanks Crooket, Stix
Howard, I really like it, we'll see this year
rich
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My knees go all wobbly when I look at that full draw pic. I am sorry, Rich, but everything in my experience with little bows being "overdrawn" makes the reptilian hindbrain in me wanna run and hide behind something solid to avoid being pierced with the inevitable shrapnel.
But that is a Half Eye Production, and my imagination soars thinking about how awesome that little stinker is!!! Hooowah!
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Mr. JW,
got just over a 100 arrows through it as of now and the unbraced profile has not changed at all. I'm confident that this bow is not over stressed, believe it's gonna last a good long time.
rich
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thats lovely man... do you have any tips on the outer layer if you got no snakes? bit worried about my sinew in this changeable british weather. I hear bear fat, but theres few of those either.. would birch tar work ? lard ? ps just trying hemp for the first time. longer and easier than sinew :)
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davey,
I think birch tar and wax (bees wax or similar) mixed about 50/50 to start and add in small amounts of lard or rendered fat untill you have the cooled consistency of shoe polish. I apply by heating it untill it applies easily with a rag, then run over it with a hair-dryer to melt it into the wood. Buff with a rag and you should be darned near water-proof. To waterproof your sinew just slightly warm the mixture and rub on with a rag (avoid any excess heat to the sinew and hide glue)
My finish consists of spruce pitch, rendered deer fat and beeswax.....the idea with mixtures is to accomodate the local weather conditions....norther Michigan gets really cold so my finish is less "stiff" than say if I lived down south where heat is the issue.
Hope that helps you some
rich
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That's unreal RICH my friend Crooketarrow used that same mixture. He was over 1/2 IROQOUS and from NY. He called that his cold weather finish. He'd boil off resins then add warm deer fat and wax. He also had a Bush's root bark. He'd boil until it stared to thicken then blend with the others warm.
He'd ad it all together slowly heat mix well it there and heated until it drip ed off a stick. He'd never put any heat directly to the sinew. But keep the finish warm and apply with a warm rag. he'd really rub it in fast and hard to help create it's own heat.
Let completely dry in side where it was warm a day or so, usually 3 coats. I've never seen or hear him say anything about a crack in the finish.
Howed you come up with your mixture.
If he did he would have exspearmented until he got it right. One other thing he'd coat it with just wax and a warm rag on the last coat.
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Slick stick Rick :laugh:
Del
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Mr. JW,
got just over a 100 arrows through it as of now and the unbraced profile has not changed at all. I'm confident that this bow is not over stressed, believe it's gonna last a good long time.
rich
You routinely pull off things I say are impossible. You may be a witch!
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the sinew and tiller is the key,, also,bows in that weight range seem to be able to bend further,, I think as they get heavier the is more chance of failure,, but that is just one of my crazy thoughts based on pure speculation,, :) the width to poundage ratio or something like that,
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the sinew and tiller is the key,, also,bows in that weight range seem to be able to bend further,, I think as they get heavier the is more chance of failure,, but that is just one of my crazy thoughts based on pure speculation,, :) the width to poundage ratio or something like that,
Oh, I know the fail rate is higher with higher poundage bows because you are asking much more of the material! Look at how the curls come off a sharp card scraper...can you get bends like that from a 3/8" inch thick piece of wood? Of course not, beyond the pale.
Rich sure knows how to eke the absolute most out of a stick, don't he?
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I think it's blind luck ;) >:D
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I think it's blind luck ;) >:D
Well, maybe half blind... >:D
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What? No comeback? Are ya feeling alright buddy?
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Well my friend I'll have ya to know I been cogitatin on how to get my latest discovery out of the woods. I run across a whole stand of white Ash about 12 to 18 inches diameter and at least 60 feet of clear trunk......but not looking forward to knocking them down and splittin 'em up and the umpteen trips in and out a couple staves at a time. They are way to nice to let the borers have 'em.
Maybe if I can blaze a 2-track into the area I can save a few. Besides that I'm all out of bat wings and eye of newt and can't seem to find any right now >:D >:D >:D Ya know I got to have my magic rub 8)
rich
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That's probably the most I've seen a stick bend! Remarkable bow, Rich.
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Rich I have a real nice pair of working mules that would make short work of it. We just need to figure out how to get the money to ship them to Michigan :o
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Jon, That wont work either (unless you come too) ya can only work them if the operator is smarter than they are >:D >:D >:D
rich
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Rich, as stubborn as you are? You wouldn't have any trouble working them mules... >:D You'll find a way to get them out, I haven't forgot that big Ironwood haul you done last year...I still got a bunch you sent me and need to get busy Sir...
Don
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Mr. Burchett, I resemble that remark sir >:D >:D >:D
rich
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fellas,
There was some discussion about the speed of this bow....42" bow and 46#@25". I do not have a chronograph but did learn how to take short movies so here are a couple of shots from the bow. They are from 15 yards and right at the camera....not scientific but will give an idea os it's speed.
Sorry to drag an old post up but this video is of the last bow I posted so here it is....well a link to You-tube..... Admins if this link is not allowed please delete
rich
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClW0fvm6iiDXGRt9jSXXxYQ
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Some people think a tiller needs to look perfect. If yours looked perfect it would be all wrong. Your tiller is perfect for your bow.
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Looks like its got some zip to me! Next time tho id like to see a smile! ;D
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Rich,
I don't own a chronograph either, but I seen enough to answer any questions...That shorty is thump'n brother...
Don
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Thank you for the comments...I think it is pretty quick for it's weight and over 10 grains per.....
rich
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Man you got the most bend out of that one half eye.Covered dark blinds with black bows are a good combo for turkey for sure.Good luck.
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If someone has that chrono app for phones you could probably figure out the speed. It measures the time from release to impact by the sound. The second vid has good sound. You know the distance. that's all you need.
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;) nice and yes im back lol