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Title: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: Kegan on May 28, 2007, 01:45:48 pm
Here are the arrows for my little Stalker bow. Golden rod shaft, cut to 28", with thread reinforced selfnocks and Seminole one-fletch. The trade points are from scrap steel my father had and are hafted with some pine pitch.

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Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: DanaM on May 28, 2007, 02:50:06 pm
Nice arra's, goldenrod eh, ya meet the weed that makes us sneeze from the pollen?

Dana
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: Pat B on May 28, 2007, 03:25:29 pm
Cool arrows Kegan. You are quite talented ;D. I have cut a few goldenrod shoots as well as dog fennel and horse weed for arrows but I've not made an arrow from any of them yet.   
   Dana, actually, it's not goldenrod that makes you sneeze but probably ragweed. The goldenrod blooms at the same time and is more obvious so everyone thinks it's the goldenrods fault. ::)
    Pat
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: tpoof on May 28, 2007, 04:03:05 pm
Wow Kegan! Those arrows look to be plucked from the past!!!  They are a great accompaniment for your fine bow!
Great show of talent!  You got the skills.... ;) ;D
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: Minuteman on May 28, 2007, 10:22:20 pm
Kegan are those some of the stuff I sent you? They look purty mean fer sure!
 Make sure you seal 'em with some fat or wax or something they will dry out too much if you don't.
 Describe the fletching method for me. Split the shaft and insert the feather?
 Chris
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: Dustybaer on May 29, 2007, 03:29:55 am
very well done, kegan.  they got the look.   ;D
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: Kegan on May 29, 2007, 07:50:58 pm
Kegan are those some of the stuff I sent you? They look purty mean fer sure!
 Make sure you seal 'em with some fat or wax or something they will dry out too much if you don't.
 Describe the fletching method for me. Split the shaft and insert the feather?
 Chris

Yup- those are the ones you sent me :). I'll make sure to seal them- got a few more made up last night.

As for the fletchings- you trin off any quill not holding on the "hairs" and smash the rest of the quill as flat as possible. Split the shaft and tuck the feather in. Tie it all up and cut the nock perpendicular to the split- works like a charm outta a heavy arrow or lighter bow out to 20 yards. Easy to make too ;D!

Thanks everyone!
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: Little John on May 30, 2007, 12:53:43 am
Cool arrows, how do they shoot, the only seminole one fletch I have made shot poorly and I have yet to figure out why.     Kenneth
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: Kegan on May 30, 2007, 03:04:10 pm
Cool arrows, how do they shoot, the only seminole one fletch I have made shot poorly and I have yet to figure out why.     Kenneth

The method i tricky to get to work outta all bows and on all arrows. The arow need be heavier than you normally would use for that bow. They don't spin the shaft, simply guide it like a dart. Try making them longer and heavier- worked for me several times.
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: Coo-wah-chobee on May 30, 2007, 06:11:27 pm
             Wing feathers spin the shaft.bob
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: Kegan on May 30, 2007, 09:22:15 pm
             Wing feathers spin the shaft.bob

What do you mean ???? For the seminole method, the feather as two opposite cups and simply stabalizes, as the two curves fight for the direction of the spin. If you used two feathers split in half it would spin, but not so much in this case :P
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: Coo-wah-chobee on May 31, 2007, 12:16:43 am
               I take it you know a lot about the "seminole method" as you call it and you have made many of  these arrows. Interesting advice you are givin out.
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: mullet on May 31, 2007, 12:36:44 am
    Uh,oh.. :(
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: Justin Snyder on May 31, 2007, 01:56:58 am
    Uh,oh.. :(
::) :-X ::)
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: Minuteman on May 31, 2007, 10:01:33 am
So Bob, is he wise beyond his years or wet behind the ears? :o
Kegan I believe Kowechobe IS the style of fletching yer talking about if I'm not mistaken. Now bein' of native american blood doesn't make you an archery expert but I believe Bob's been hunting with indian style longbows and primitive fletched arrows for some time now.
 You might want to qualify things you think are statements of fact as observations you've made instead of hard and fast truths. Not trying to erode your confidence or anything its just that on this board there is a whole lot of experience on a whole lot of facets of primitive archery. I've been straightened out by a 14 year old boy before!
 But hey they are cool arrows whether they spin or not. I'd be hard pressed to tell if they were spinning in flight anyway, and I'm darn sure the deer won't tell the difference. You're doin fine work. Chris
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: Justin Snyder on May 31, 2007, 10:31:24 am
Kegan, Chris is right.  Bob is Seminole, and has been hunting with arrows fletched like this for more years than you and I have been alive. And that is our ages put together. He learned from his grandfather who has built more arrows than you have seen.  If he says the wing feathers will spin them, you can count on it.  I don't expect you to just take his word for it, but go try it and find out before you argue.  If you look real close at a primary, you will discover that it is cupped on the edge that was the trailing edge on the bird. This helps create lift, much like an airplane with its flaps down.  The leading edge is not cupped like the trailing edge.  Your arrows are looking good. Keep making arrows and they will get better.  Bob has probably forgotten more than I will ever know. I will be the first to admit I know very little. But by listening and reading what guys with years of knowledge say, I might learn something one day.  Justin

Here is a link to the original post were Bob posted the one fletch arrows per my request.  http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,2180.0.html
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: Kegan on May 31, 2007, 02:37:56 pm
 :-[ I didn't mean to say that I knew more- i didn't even come up with it :o! There was an article in a National Geographic magazine or something  about four or five years ago that had an article about a modern day Native American hunter. I beleive it said something about his arrows, and he explained vaguely how the split feather method worked, and compared it to what I refer to as the "Seminole" fletch. It made sense after thinking about it, at least to me, from, how my arrows shot.

Didn't mean to offend any body on here- that is the LAST thing I  meant to do. I was just confused ;). Guess you can't trust what you read , eh?

Sorry Bob, never meant to offend you :). I never meant to explain it as "fact"- only how I thought to explain it.

Sorry again ;D!
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: mullet on May 31, 2007, 06:21:39 pm
    Kegan,I wouldn't sweat it.Like Justin and Chris pointed out when they alluded to Bob's advanced age.You know being the elderly type,To quote Justin"Bob has probally forgotten more then I will ever know" Heck he probally won't even remember this tomorrow. ;D
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: Kegan on May 31, 2007, 06:24:14 pm
I had no idea- I neevr meantot be a smart alleck. I respect and admire everyone on this sight- that is never my intention :)
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: mullet on May 31, 2007, 06:47:53 pm
   Where is Bob when we need some Grandfatherly advice. ;)
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: Justin Snyder on May 31, 2007, 06:57:36 pm
Kegan, don't worry about it. We meant nothing personal by it.  My dear old dad used to tell me I was given two ears and one mouth for a reason.  Now if I could just get someone to tell me what the reason was.  ???  The other thing you will learn as you get a little older is to let it roll right off.  Life is to short to get to worried about it.  Now go make some more arrows, and let us see.  Justin
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: mullet on May 31, 2007, 07:16:40 pm
   Yep,Watch Justin let it roll off when Bob see's how he was calling him old,heh,heh. ::)
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: Traxx on May 31, 2007, 10:35:56 pm
Yeah,He is kinda in denial about that,aint he. ::)
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: mullet on May 31, 2007, 11:14:58 pm
  Traxx,Oh yea.I just got off the phone with him.Yes Grandfather,no Grandfather..snicker.. ;)
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: Coo-wah-chobee on May 31, 2007, 11:19:32 pm
                    Kegan-Naw no worries. Was never offended. Was just concerned that it was incorrect info being passed out. Ahem, now you Eddie Parker; "elderly type", " probably wont remember today","grandfatherly advice","bob's advanced age". "yes Grandfather, no Grandfather-snicker".You are a granpa also and your not that far behind me. :o Like we laughed about last weekend I OWE you one fer you know what . This makes THREE dude ! Payback is a bi#@# and its COMIN ! Just want ya to think about it fer a while. Heh-heh -heh ! AND you "buckaroo" in denial huh ! Didn't know you could spell denial 'cause its not on a horse :o Payback # 4. Oh boy its comin' -Think about it y'all. Kegan, back to ya. Keep makin' bows and arrows y'all have a feel fer this and me thinks your'e stuff is gonna get better an better.BTW theres a trick to makin' putt-putt wing feathers spin and I aint gonna tell ya. Keep makin' 'em you will find out fer yourself. Ok, gotta lay down and take a nap now ! HA-HA-HA-HA  ;D ;D ;D. Oh and "Chucklehead 2 " "NON" aint forgot about y'all either "bob"s probably forgot more than I know", woulnd't have to ferget much ! payback #5, isnt this great ? I LUVS IT !!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D.......bob"non"
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: mullet on May 31, 2007, 11:32:22 pm
   See Justin,I knew it! for a GLOBAL MODERATOR,you really stirred it up now. :-*
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: Traxx on June 01, 2007, 12:16:08 am
HEHEHE!!!!!!! ;D
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: Pat B on June 01, 2007, 01:35:26 am
Bob, I like your style. Sit back and wait for the moment! ;)...then go for the juggler! ;D ...and I was worried about you! ;)   Pat
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: DanaM on June 01, 2007, 06:24:18 am
This is better than a soap opera ;D We could call it "As The Arrow Spins"

Kegan don't worry about it is right, I've been putting my foot in my mouth fer years
just get some good mouthwash to kill the taste.
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: Hillbilly on June 01, 2007, 11:40:50 am
Speaking of old people, I heard that the reason Eddie makes such nice arrowheads is because he was able to personally watch the Clovis people knapping back when he was a kid....................................His unique jeep hunting methods for pigs and armadillos are a holdover from the days when he chased buffalo on horseback with the Comanche and Arapaho..............and there's a portrait of somebody that suspiciously looks an awful lot like him painted on a cave wall is Lascoux, France....... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: Justin Snyder on June 01, 2007, 09:54:34 pm
Bob, you are right there. But the truly scary part is I think I have forgotten more than I have ever learned.  ??? Figure that one out. 
Eddie, that is GREAT OMNIPOTENT GLOBAL MODERATOR to you.  ;D BTW how did you manage to get me in trouble on this one?  No I didn't say impotent. I had to fix that one before you guys turned it around on me.  ;D Justin
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: Coo-wah-chobee on June 02, 2007, 12:15:16 am
   I like "Great Impotent Global Moderator" better ;D.........bob
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: DanaM on June 02, 2007, 09:25:32 am
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: Justin Snyder on June 02, 2007, 10:15:57 am
   I like "Great Impotent Global Moderator" better ;D.........bob
Bob, I didn't think the elderly even joked about such things.
Dana, what do you think you are grinning at.  Justin
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: tpoof on June 02, 2007, 11:55:36 am
Quote
I like "Great Impotent Global Moderator" better Grin.........bob
  ;D ;D ;D  good folks here!!! :)
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: Coo-wah-chobee on June 02, 2007, 02:02:43 pm
              Go ahead "chuckle head 2" thats  payback # 6........Heh-heh-heh ! ;D ;D ;D ;D..bob
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: Justin Snyder on June 02, 2007, 03:37:22 pm
I'm afraid to come down to hunt pigs now.  I don't want to be left in the swamp with the boogie man.  ;D  Chuckle head 2
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: Coo-wah-chobee on June 02, 2007, 06:32:48 pm
  Leave ya in the swamp with the boogie man, cottonmouths, anaconda, piranaha, gators, camens, boas, gallon nippers, monitor lizards ! Heh-heh-heh, uh I mean naw ! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D...bob
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: Justin Snyder on June 02, 2007, 07:06:30 pm
Cottonmouths, anaconda, piranha, gators, camens, boas, gallon nippers, and monitor lizards don't scare me Bob. You know what to expect from them, and they are all edible.   It is people (boogie man) that you cant trust.  ;D Justin
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: koan on June 02, 2007, 08:02:18 pm
Ok Bob, I gotta know, whats a gallon nipper?....I know im gonna regret askin :P.....Brian
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: mullet on June 03, 2007, 11:15:21 pm
    WHY!, just got home today ,and Boy Justin,You can dig a heck of a hole.I told you not to start this ,uh,didn't I? ???
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: Coo-wah-chobee on June 04, 2007, 12:11:54 am
                         Ya eat "gallon nippers" Justin ! Damm ya must be desperate and hungry ! Remind me NEVER ta let ya cook! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D.............bob
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: Justin Snyder on June 04, 2007, 12:20:00 am
Bob, I said they were edible. I didn't say I would eat them on purpose.  :P Heck, I would have to get awfull hungry to eat a jack rabbit.  :P
Mullet, I didn't dig the hole. You dug it then buried it with twigs and leaves. I just happened to be the chump that fell into the hole.  Nice to know you can catch something.  ;D  Justin
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: mullet on June 04, 2007, 07:14:38 pm
 ;D ;D ;D :-*
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: snellp on June 13, 2007, 01:29:52 pm
What's the draw weight for the bow you're using these arrows with? 
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: david w. on June 13, 2007, 02:03:26 pm
kegan those are nice arrows. sometime I might try to do that :)
Title: Re: "Summer Stalker" Arrows
Post by: Kegan on June 14, 2007, 06:13:26 pm
What's the draw weight for the bow you're using these arrows with? 

That bow is 50#, but shot them fine outta a 60#. Amazing shafts outta a "weed".