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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Ryano on March 04, 2009, 11:56:44 pm
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Here's a little something I've been working on the last couple months off and on. The bow is for Gregb. It is a Osage deflexed/reflexed recurve 62" ntn. It is made from two billets spliced in the handle. I got the billets from DCM David Mims two years ago at Pappy's. Its some really nice wood, the growth rings are about the thickest I've ever seen for Osage. Thanks David! I'm shooting for 55#@28" here is a couple pictures, one unbraced and one at my first initial brace. I'll post more pictures of it as I go along. Next I need to make some minor heat corrections to center up the string on the large recurves. I hope you like the bow Greg, its coming along pretty well so far.
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Is that snow still on the ground, our last little bit melted today, 75 by sat, :P
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That looks like a RyanO recurve for sure! I'm sure she'll come out sweet. I hope to get to shoot the finished product at the classic.
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Mike, we're likely to have snow on the ground here until the end of april. :-\
You'll have to ask Greg, Shannon. I bet he might let ya if you ask real nice. ;)
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it's just gorgeous, but I woulnd't dare bringing that one to 28...
gonna sinewback it? might be a very good choice :)
Nick
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Looking good so far Ryan,he will be proud of that one. :)
Pappy
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Looks great Ryan, and I know how ya feel on the snow :'( It'll be nice to go to Pappy's and get away from it for a week :)
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She's looking sweet Ryan! I'm looking forward to seeing it in person and getting to shoot it!
Shannon, I might let you shoot it if you let me shoot your Pappy bow... ;D
Nick, I think Ryan planned to sinew back the bow last time we spoke. My draw is actually 27", so Ryan is probably planning a little extra security with his tillering.
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Very nice! I just love osage curves,looking forwrd to the finished bow.
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Nick, I'll probably end up putting one light coarse on it just for protection because of a couple of pin knots I'm sort of unsure of but I don't really think it needs it. I've many similar bows to this one that were actually a several inches shorter, and they were unbacked and drawn to 28" one actualy to 29" just fine, and still are several years later. Greg is right I always tiller to 28" even if the person only draws 26" just to be on the safe side in case someone ever over draws it.
Glad you like it so far Greg. The bottom limb is a little bit stiff but other than that the tiller looks pretty good for first brace.
Thanks Dana, Pappy,Timo.
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Very nice work Ryano!
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sweet! i'm looking forward to the full draw profile. will the recurves be static or working? with that much lift off, it should be a rocket launcher.
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Chris, They are primarily static but they apear to open up some at full draw since I tiller the limbs to bend almost circular up to the begining of the curves.
Thank you Tracy.
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Nice looking bow Ryano. Looking forward to seeing this one done!! :)
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Wow, that's gonna be a beast, awesome! Did I mention that I recently changed my name to Greg B? ;D ;D
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Very nice recurve, Ryan. Greg, how'd you get so lucky! ;D I'm with the others...there is something about a short osage recurve that touches my soul.
Ryan, for protection, wouldn't rawhide be as effective as a single layer of sinew and less seceptable to the effects of moisture. I know both would be succeptable to moisture but I believe the rawhide would be easier to seal against the moisture.
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cool 8) Thats looking sweet
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Wow, I just gotta say I love the look of those recurves!
Looks gorgeous, well done
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Nice. I want to try on someday. Is there a significant difference in the way it shoots?
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BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADDDD curves....!!!!
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Very nice recurve, Ryan. Greg, how'd you get so lucky!
Pat, I guess I'm just a nice guy...most bowyers on PA have already sent me one of their bows, when should I expect delivery of one of yours??? ;D
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The check...I mean bow is in the mail! ::)
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Thanks everybody!
Pat, Greg helped me out, and lets just say this is reward! Greg is a great friend, thanks again Greg.
I also have a little something sitting here for you Pat, I've been trying to get it in the mail for so long, I'll probally just bring it with me to the classic at this point, lol.
Hillbilly, I got a piece of hhb roughed out and drying for you too brother. Don't change your name just yet.
The rawhide had crossed my mind but we decided on a thin layer of sinew with snake skins to waterproof it.
Bear, Sure they shoot differently. They draw smooth as silk for there length and usual are pretty quick.
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One cool thing about these short static recurves is that they are convenient because of their compact size but once the string lifts off the recurve they shoot like a longer bow so you get the best of both worlds. My first short osage static recurve(60"t/t) I made(Bobby[boo] has it now) was a bear for me to learn to shoot well. I was used to straight limbed bows in the 64" to 68" range which are pretty forgiving to shoot and the recurve gave me fits. I had to revert to shooting only the recurve for the longest time before I got consistent with it. Now I love them and shoot them well. I don't know how to explain it but they do shoot different. The good thing about it though is when I finally picked up my old straight limbed bow again, I couldn't miss. I was drilling everything I shot at. Maybe having to concentrate so much on my form and release with the recurve, it carried over to the straight limb bow.
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Good looking start Ryan. If it's the wood I'm thinking of, I don't know if you could get it dry enough for the back ring tol let go. Definately not in Nashville. Much more likely to crush the belly. Be wary, that osage wants a little more wood to make a bow, in my experience. It's game wood, just not as dense.
2 rings, or 3 on the limbs so far?
I just parted a quarter off that tree (I believe). These probably the fattest osage rings I've ever cut, 3 to the inch in places.
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Yep David, I'd say that woods out of the same tree. The mid limbs are almost down to one growth ring. Thanks again!
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that's great Ryano! osage seems to be the perfect wood for it. seen many bows being 'overdrawn' that much, still having low set and good performance ;)
goodluck! looking beautyfull.
Nick
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those are my kind of growth rings. i love having one growth ring in a limb.
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My pleasure Ryan. I regret not having built that apple wood bow, but I'll get there in time.
I hate to hijack here but a 60", 62" to draw 28" is not all that remarkable. With big recurves one can focus work on a smaller section of limb, but not necessarily. Even flatbows of 58" and 60" ntn for 60# or more at 28", while not trivial to build, are absolutely viable, shorter even than than perhaps.
One of my theories about osage and other ring porous woods is that the hard rings tend to act as laminates, w/ the soft wood acting to bind them together. Kinda like a lam bow where the soft wood acts like the glue. As such one ring bows may not be the best medicine, but from experience they can be made to work perfectly well and may avoid some of the hazards of thin ringed wood.
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Wow! Nice curves Ryan! Aught to be a real sweet shooter :).
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Hey Mims, I cut a tree that was growing in a hog lot once.The wind had taken it down and the farmer said have at it. It had 1/2" rings throughout. I regret not taken pics of it,but that was BD,( before digital) :). Memory serves me that it was pitiful wood.
Sorry to hijack Ryan.
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Wow now that is what I call recurves.Nice work Ryan as usual. Kenneth
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Well guys this particular piece seems to be holding up quite nicely guys. I've had it back to about 22" with no ill effect so far.
Thanks Paul and Kenneth. ;D
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Osage wood is a weird thing. It can vary a great deal, and in a variety of ways. I think this particular tree is a little more oily, or extractives rich, kinda creamy, buttery. It's weird. Kinda like a hackberry or mulberry or elm in terms of just being strong willed, game, resilient to bending. It's not as light was them, but not extremely dense. To be honest, if I can get the resilience w/ out the extreme density, I'm all for it. Were elm (allegedly) not so influenced by humidity it might be my favorite bow wood even as light as it can be. I reckon one test will be how well it holds up to work over time.
I'm kinda hopin' Ryan will get some shop time today. I'm ready for more pics. LOL
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David, She's tillered and I got about 100 arrows through her at 27" looking real good. Better than I expected. Took a little bit of set but not much. The tips are still sitting about 4 1/2" in front of the grip even with the deflexed handle. Seems to be very quick although its a little heavier than what I'm used to shooting. I shoot high with it out to 20 yards which tells me it kicking a arrow with some authority.... I still need to glue on some tip overlays so I can go ahead and narrow up the out part of the statics, which should bump up the performance a little to.
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Looks real good, so it ok to make reflex deflex from Osage Billets, I just got 2 from Mike and I am stoked. fee kinda like makin it up to em postal rates went up. Got any tips for this Osage newbee ryan PM Me.Phillip
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Looks great Ryan, can't wait to see the finished pics!
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Looks like a beast, Ryan. Are those massive recurves giving you alignment problems?
I've been saying for years that fast growing trees don't make for the best wood. A tree that has growth rings not too thick and not too thin is about the best for bows
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Thanks Pk. Let me know if you have any specific questions.
Thanks Brown hill boy.
Marc, I had to make a couple of heat corrections but not to bad. The one tip is a little off still but the string rides fine. I'll probally still go back and tweak it one more time though. Correction to my earlier post it has two rings in the main part of the limbs and 3 at the fades and the statics.
Here's some more pictures, wipe the drool off your key board now Greg. ;D
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Looks real swell Ryan. The unbraced profile tells me that she is very sweet in the hand upon sending an arrow.I bet ya can't feel that thing go off? Nice.
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It is sweet to shoot. The early draw weight is incredible. It feels like a much heavier bow until the recurves kick over then its almost got the feeling of let off like a compound bow almost.... :) Very, very, smooth draw.
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Sweet ,that thing is looking good,Greg will have no excuses this year. ;) :)
Pappy
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Very nice bow, Ryan. I'm sure Greg will love it!!
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Nice bow Ryan.
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Wow! Man, I need a bib to catch the slobber running down my cheek! ;D I bet she is a sweet shooter, can't wait to try her out. Ryan, you need to think of a name for her! I'll think you again of course when I have her in my hands...but I really appreciate the time and talent you've put into the bow! ;)
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man that thing looks incredible :o
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Greg B, I was down to Ryano last nite working on a bow an he was working on your recurve an I got to draw it a few times an take pics of ryano. That has to be one of nicest recurves I,ve ever seen an does it ever have a sweet draw, Sure hope I didn,t get to much drool on your bow. Later Bob, Maybe I,ll sneak down tonite an drool I mean work on my bow!
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Looks great Ryan. But the braced and unbraced profile tell me the lower midlimb is or was slightly softer than the rest at some point. If it ain't plumb shot in, or has some other feature to account for it, I'd keep an eye on that before I put the finish on. You got the tiller dead nuts thought, both recurves coming to the right angles.
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Thanks everybody for the nice words.
Greg, good thing your such a nice guy, cause I'd have a hard time letting this one go to anyone else. >:D ::) ;D ;)
Bob, come on down. I'll probally be heading out to shop in a little bit.
David, it does look that way. I couldn't figure it out for the longest time because the string measures a 1/8" closer on the lower limb just how I wanted it but it still looked weaker. I think what it is your seeing is the fact that I spliced the billets together deflexed and the center of the splice is well below the center of the bow so I could cut a deep arrow shelf with out violating the w splice. This makes the lower limb appear slightly more deflexed. Good eye. ;)
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Here's a picture of the antler tips. ;D
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Looks great Ryan! What do you think the draw weight is going settle at with my 27" draw? Have you decided whether or not to sinew it yet? I'm fine with whatever you want to do... ;)
Put a bib on Bob if he gets to drooling around my bow again! ;D
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Greg, it should be right about where you wanted it. Around 55#@28" so probally about 52 or 53 @27" Won't know for sure untill I put a few more arrows through it and finish sand it. I still could heat treat the belly and bump up the poundage if nessasary but I like the way it shoots right now. ;D No sinew, the pins I was conserned with actualy ended up in the non working part of the recurve anyways. It should be fine. ;)
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Wow, Ryan, those curves are unbelievable! You gotta love that bow.
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Hey Ryan! - you're da recurve man!
F.
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Thanks Stick and Frank... ;D
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Excellent Ryan, You are the recurve king. Very nice line and great overall package. Greg is a lucky man ;)
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Hey Greg B. Ryano an I were over to the club last nite an he was running some arrows thru your bow an ask me if I would like shoot it, That is one of the nicest shooting bows I have ever shot an I could'nt believe the nice groups. No nocking point an my arrows are all differnt lengths an weights an materials cane, cedar, an ash didn't seem to matter . Greg you are one lucky guy that is a shootin machine an its not hard to look at either, best of two worlds. I can't wait to see it when Ryan puts the final finish on it. Later Bob
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Bob, you guys just want to torture me don't you? ;) I'm really looking forward to getting it in my hands, just hope I can do it justice on the shooting end...I know the bow is capable. ;) I'm working on some cane arrows that will hopefully shoot out of it okay.
I'm glad you like it and thanks for the info...come on down with Ryan and family to the Classic in May! ;)
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Wow and bookmarked for March Self BOM fun. Quite the Bow!
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Thanks Keenan.
Greg, Bob does enjoy a little torture now and then..... ;D >:D I'm sure you'll do just fine.
Thanks Don.... ;D
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Looks sweet Ryano.I hope you make one to keep for yourself.
Pennhawk.
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Thanks Chris, I know you want to shoot one huh....you ready for spring thaw?
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Awesome curve Ryan!!
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Thanks Dano. ;D
I'll take some finished pictures tomarrow! 8)
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Hey Ryan, I'm looking forward to seeing it finished! Bob's probably got a 1000 or so arrow's shot through it by now. ;D
I used my dogwood bow during our shoot last weekend, don't know if the mojo is responsible or not...but I shot the best I have in a long time and ended up winning the selfbow class. I know from shooting other bows of yours that this one has got to be a performer! Hopefully we'll have a rendevous together with a deer this fall. :)
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Ryano,
What an Awesome bow!!! :o
The full draw pics are beautiful!!!
Kevin
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That's a fantastic bow! You do excellent work, Ryan. Jawge
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Thanks guys! No Greg, Bob only shot it a little but I put quite a few arrows threw it. Hope you like!
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more pictures. ;D
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one more. ;D
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Beautiful bow Ryan,very fine work.He has no more excuses. ;) :)
Pappy
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That came out awesome Ryan. Very nice profile and the recurves look great and held nice and even. Still trying to get my eyes ajusted to them red snake skins but they are starting to grow on me ;D ;). Tips look great and the tiller is perfect. As i said befor Greg is a lucky man. Keenan
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what state did the osage come from, looks like very thick ringed
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Bout time ya got that thing done boy! :) But ...well worth the wait.
Very nice job Ryan.I like it alot. Two thumbs.:)
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Man... Wow. I suppose Greg is still speachless. Couldn't be for a better guy.
Can I assume this thing will be at the Classic? And, how much will it cost a man to fondle it? ;D
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Very nice Ryan, I can see it now nestled in bed with Greg hugging it while he dreams of the hunt to come :D
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LOL.... :D Thanks for the compliments guys.
I wasn't sure about the red at first either but I'm really starting to like it.
Yazoo, David Mims cut the osage in Mississippi.
Bear, you'll have to ask Greg about that...... :D
Dana, lol..... :D
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Yee haw! ;D Look out critter's, I ain't takin' no prisoners!
That bow is drop dead gorgeous Ryan...talk about curves, Angelina Jolie curves don't compare...well maybe, but it's a close call! ;D
I like the snake skin, definitely unique...will blend in with the fall colors well when hunting. Thank you so much for blending all your talent together in one recipe and cookin' up this great looking and I'm sure performing bow! ;)
And, how much will it cost a man to fondle it?
Alex, I might be willing to pimp it out to ya for a quick feel, but it's going to cost you! ;D
Very nice Ryan, I can see it now nestled in bed with Greg hugging it while he dreams of the hunt to come
That's right Dana! Guilty! :)
He has no more excuses.
Pappy, it will definitely be more of a challenge to come up with a good excuse...but all good hunters should have one handy prior to going in the woods, I'll have to give it some thought! ;)
Thank you Ryan! I can't wait to get my hands on her...it...what did you name her? ;)
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Beautiful work, Ryan. That is one incredible recurve!!! Congrats Greg. What did you have to promise Ryan for this beauty? ;D
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Yee haw! ;D Look out critter's, I ain't takin' no prisoners!
That bow is drop dead gorgeous Ryan...talk about curves, Angelina Jolie curves don't compare...well maybe, but it's a close call! ;D
I like the snake skin, definitely unique...will blend in with the fall colors well when hunting. Thank you so much for blending all your talent together in one recipe and cookin' up this great looking and I'm sure performing bow! ;)
And, how much will it cost a man to fondle it?
Alex, I might be willing to pimp it out to ya for a quick feel, but it's going to cost you! ;D
Very nice Ryan, I can see it now nestled in bed with Greg hugging it while he dreams of the hunt to come
That's right Dana! Guilty! :)
He has no more excuses.
Pappy, it will definitely be more of a challenge to come up with a good excuse...but all good hunters should have one handy prior to going in the woods, I'll have to give it some thought! ;)
Thank you Ryan! I can't wait to get my hands on her...it...what did you name her? ;)
Glad you like it Greg. I'm pretty happy with the way it turned out too.
I've never been much for giving bows names....I guess I'll leave that one up to you. ;)
Thank you Pat. Just his first born child.....lol... :o ;D
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Thank you Pat. Just his first born child.....lol...
My first born child huh? ;D I'll have to introduce you to my first born...Jordan, he's 21 and a senior in college! He's a fine young man and I'm proud of him as I'm sure you will be too! ;D Unfortunately he never took to archery...who'd ah thought with us as his father's? ;)
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;D As long as he can cook and clean its alright with me...... :D Just kidding, I'm sure he's great. The apple usualy doesn't fall far from the tree. O:) ;D Besides he'd be more like a younger brother to me, I aint old enough to be his Dad, but you might be old enough to be mine! ;) ::) ;D
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Nice job Ryan. Sure is pretty.
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Gorgeous bow Ryan! You did an incredible job it! Looks like I'll have to get in line to have a look at it at the Classic. I'm looking forward to meeting all of you guys and trying to glean some of your knowledge.
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Hey Greg B. I shot it just enough to make a ole man's shoulder sore.(:^). I,m truly a lucky man to have Ryan buy a house just a short distance from where I live, I got a chance to shoot a few of his project bows an Ryan has helped me with my own bows. Thanks Ryan for all the help. Later Bob
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X-cellant bend master Ryan
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Thanks for the complements guys. You all are to kind.
Bob, I'm just glad to have a least one neighbor that doesn't think I'm insane. You have become a good friend over the last few years,and I enjoy hanging out and spending time with you so, No need to thank me.... :) We need to post some pictures of the one your finishing up when its done! ;D
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Hey Ryan! - Really looks FANTASTIC!
What's the backing??
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Thanks Frank. ;D Its Rat snake skins that dyed red.
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I don't know if I've said this already or not but...AWESOME BOW MAN!!!
I know Greg will be very happy with her and I all but guarantee you he'll make meat with it this fall.
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Thanks Shannon. I'm sure he will. :)
Greg, maybe you should name the bow Angelina.... :-* :D
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Greg, maybe you should name the bow Angelina....
Sounds like an appropriate name to me Ryan! Go ahead and put the name on her if you don't mind... ;)
Shannon, I understand you donated the skins for Angelina...thanks buddy! :)
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Hey Ryan, what's the type of leather on this gorgeous bows' handle?
Nick
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OK, Greg. :)
Nick, Its beaver tail rawhide.
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You done good Ryan. It stands perty straight, considering 1/2 the limb is recurved! LOL Nice width profile. I imagine it makes cast like a humdinger. Lovely fit and finish as usual.
Hope to get to see it in what... 5 weeks. Looking forward to chewin' the fat w/ you nare-do-wells as well, if we can get Greg outa the selfbowin' shed for more than 30 seconds at a time.
That fat ringed osage looks like mulberry! I thought for a minute you may have left one sap wood ring. I've been wanting to do that, and have a couple roughed out.
Slight correction, while I live in Mississippi, and have cut a right smart of wood in Mississippi, that wood came from Tennessee. We live near Memphis, Tn, which is right on the border so I hunt, cut from both states. Our place in Tennessee is up around Brownsville, NE of Memphis. I would attribute it's fatringed-ness to being situated in a fencerow on the downhill side between two big row crop fields, southern exposure for lots of sunshine. I expect it got plenty of water and nutrition there, and others on the place vary a good deal as do most osage trees.
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Thanks again for the wood David and thanks for clearing up the confusion. I chased the first heart wood ring on this bow which was a little lighter colored in spots, you know, not quite heart wood but not sapwood either. Actualy these billets were split side to side and in the same growth ring one was more yellow than the other.
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That is one beautiful recurve Ryan.Great job.I like it a lot. God bless
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Very nice bow!! If it shoots half as good as it looks some critter some where is in trouble..
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Very nice bow!! If it shoots half as good as it looks some critter some where is in trouble..
It's going to be tough deciding which bow to start the season with this year...I'm shooting pretty good with my dogwood bow right now. Either way, I'll give them both some hunting time during the season. Nothing is guaranteed when hunting, but I'll be out there giving it a try! ;)
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Thanks again fella's. ;D
Greg, I feel sure you'll get Angelina blooded this fall. You twin oak boys know how to get er done! >:D ;D