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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Weylin on March 30, 2017, 07:41:27 pm

Title: 'Hedeby' Viking Yew Longbow 57#@30"
Post by: Weylin on March 30, 2017, 07:41:27 pm
This bow is based on the Hedeby bow found in an archaeological site in Germany. The distinctive features are the long, flared, deflexed tips with a single side nock. Otherwise it is a typical longbow design, slightly wider and flatter than an English longbow. There was an article in the last PA that featured a similar bow. This was a funky stave that required some taming. It had over 6 inches of reflex, mostly in the handle area and lots of dips and wiggles. I finally reigned it in but it still has plenty of character left over. I finished it with natural beeswax instead of my usual tru oil. I really liked the process and result. I may do more of that in the future. This bow is going on a historical trek with it's new owner.

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Title: Re: 'Hedeby' Viking Yew Longbow 57#@30"
Post by: ---GUTSHOT---> on March 30, 2017, 07:46:47 pm
Great job.
Title: Re: 'Hedeby' Viking Yew Longbow 57#@30"
Post by: Stick Bender on March 30, 2017, 07:51:23 pm
Very nice !! Nice character !
Title: Re: 'Hedeby' Viking Yew Longbow 57#@30"
Post by: penderbender on March 30, 2017, 07:58:58 pm
That's looks awesome! I love wiggly yew. Cheers- Brendan
Title: Re: 'Hedeby' Viking Yew Longbow 57#@30"
Post by: Aaron H on March 30, 2017, 08:13:21 pm
Wow, now that's some beautiful grain, and great results with the beeswax finish
Title: Re: 'Hedeby' Viking Yew Longbow 57#@30"
Post by: selfbow joe on March 30, 2017, 08:19:27 pm
Very nice looking bow.
Title: Re: 'Hedeby' Viking Yew Longbow 57#@30"
Post by: DC on March 30, 2017, 08:30:13 pm
I like that! How long is it, it looks long.
Title: Re: 'Hedeby' Viking Yew Longbow 57#@30"
Post by: osage outlaw on March 30, 2017, 08:43:45 pm
Very nice bow
Title: Re: 'Hedeby' Viking Yew Longbow 57#@30"
Post by: upstatenybowyer on March 30, 2017, 09:23:42 pm
Cool. You and goat should get together and write a book! Beautiful work.  :OK
Title: Re: 'Hedeby' Viking Yew Longbow 57#@30"
Post by: BowEd on March 30, 2017, 09:25:01 pm
Very nice replicated bow.
Title: Re: 'Hedeby' Viking Yew Longbow 57#@30"
Post by: bubby on March 30, 2017, 11:42:22 pm
Cool bow Weylin
Title: Re: 'Hedeby' Viking Yew Longbow 57#@30"
Post by: rps3 on March 31, 2017, 12:31:19 am
That is really cool, thanks for letting us look. Interesting that I just watched a show on a Viking sword last night, the  Ulfberht.
Title: Re: 'Hedeby' Viking Yew Longbow 57#@30"
Post by: chamookman on March 31, 2017, 03:56:38 am
WOW - I really like that ! Nice job  :BB - Bob.
Title: Re: 'Hedeby' Viking Yew Longbow 57#@30"
Post by: Del the cat on March 31, 2017, 06:49:43 am
I was surprised with the one I made that the extra limb beyond the nocks didn't seem to adversely effect the bow too much.
One would expect it to be a bit hand shocky, but it seemed fine.
How do you find yours?
Del
Title: Re: 'Hedeby' Viking Yew Longbow 57#@30"
Post by: mullet on March 31, 2017, 07:01:12 am
I'll say it again, Another great bow.
Title: Re: 'Hedeby' Viking Yew Longbow 57#@30"
Post by: Parnell on March 31, 2017, 09:18:00 am
I like the plow horse design.  Really nice and functional.
Title: Re: 'Hedeby' Viking Yew Longbow 57#@30"
Post by: WillS on March 31, 2017, 10:12:19 am
Lovely replica :)

The real question is - have you used​ the bracing handles as bracing handles? 
Title: Re: 'Hedeby' Viking Yew Longbow 57#@30"
Post by: Bob W. on March 31, 2017, 10:33:14 am
Awesome dude!
Title: Re: 'Hedeby' Viking Yew Longbow 57#@30"
Post by: Hrothgar on March 31, 2017, 12:19:57 pm
Good looking bow, nice replica!
Title: Re: 'Hedeby' Viking Yew Longbow 57#@30"
Post by: Stixnstones on March 31, 2017, 03:11:13 pm
Crazy cool
Title: Re: 'Hedeby' Viking Yew Longbow 57#@30"
Post by: Strichev on March 31, 2017, 03:52:30 pm
Outstanding.

Did you use pure beeswax or did you mix it with some solvent like turpentine?
Title: Re: 'Hedeby' Viking Yew Longbow 57#@30"
Post by: Weylin on March 31, 2017, 04:46:44 pm
Thanks, guys! You're a real encouraging bunch. I added a diagram of the original bow in the first post as a reference.

Upstatenybowyer, That's all I need is another project. I'll leave that to Ryan.  ;)

Del, I have a little thump in the hand with my lighter arrows but when I shot a heavier arrow it was fine. It's not a world record holder for speed but it shoots just fine. How long was yours, Del? From all that I read, I wasn't too surprised with any of that. The original was estimated to be well over 100# draw weight. That changes things, for one, a little extra wood on the tips probably doesn't make a lick of difference at that weight.

WillS, not sure what you mean by bracing handles. Is that what they suspected the fat tips were for? If so, they did come in handy during the early stages of bracing when it was still a beast. I couldn't handle it doing push/pull and the tips were too fat for my stringer. I had to resort to the step through method and it was handy to grab those tips.

Strichev, I used pure beeswax. I softened up a hunk with heat, and rubbed it on a limb. Then I heated up a small section with the heat gun until it was soaking in. Then I buffed it vigorously with cheese cloth while it was still hot and melted. I worked my way down the bow doing that. I let it cool and repeated the process but didn't add any more wax. It had some excess from the first time. After it was cool I buffed it with the cheese cloth again.
Title: Re: 'Hedeby' Viking Yew Longbow 57#@30"
Post by: Springbuck on March 31, 2017, 05:31:03 pm
  A very credible reproduction and great craftsmanship!

Hey, just for whenever...., if you cut the beeswax 20% with lard or some oil like coconut, it will become sticky, but soften easily enough to be wiped on.  If you wipe a coat on a bow and leave it in a hot car or over the woodstove, the wood drinks it in over several hours.  If I do this three times the finish is incredible.  No real advantage over what you are doing, except less babysitting while you heat it, but it works so well...
Title: Re: 'Hedeby' Viking Yew Longbow 57#@30"
Post by: WillS on March 31, 2017, 05:46:07 pm
Weylin, yep they're bracing handles!  They're on a few other Scandinavian and Irish Viking bows.

You normally use them with the "knee in the handle" method.  You lean the bow away from you, plant your knee smack in the middle and drop your whole weight onto the bow.  You grab the top handle and pull it towards you. 

Without the bracing handles, this method is brilliant for bows up to about 130lb, but with those lovely big handles there's no limit other than your own body weight.

They help when using the step-through method as well, but it's the knee method where they really shine.
Title: Re: 'Hedeby' Viking Yew Longbow 57#@30"
Post by: Weylin on March 31, 2017, 05:53:16 pm
Thanks, Springbuck. That's a good tip. I considered some of the mixtures with the beeswax. I might try that next time.

That's pretty cool info, Will. Makes sense. That knee in the handle method sounds like a high probability of a trip to the hospital if I tried to do it. I'll have to look up a youtube video of someone doing that.
Title: Re: 'Hedeby' Viking Yew Longbow 57#@30"
Post by: WillS on March 31, 2017, 06:03:07 pm
Here ya go :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LocFlPi6L08

3:00 into the video.
Title: Re: 'Hedeby' Viking Yew Longbow 57#@30"
Post by: WillS on March 31, 2017, 06:03:55 pm
As you can see... don't do it on a slippy floor  ::)
Title: Re: 'Hedeby' Viking Yew Longbow 57#@30"
Post by: Badly Bent on April 01, 2017, 07:31:34 am
Excellent work Weylin, thats a cool bow.
Title: Re: 'Hedeby' Viking Yew Longbow 57#@30"
Post by: Marc St Louis on April 01, 2017, 08:03:24 am
very nice, you did a good job with that bow.

I had a guy ask me about a Hedeby bow a few months ago.  I told him Yew seemed to be the historical wood of choice for these bows
Title: Re: 'Hedeby' Viking Yew Longbow 57#@30"
Post by: Del the cat on April 01, 2017, 02:37:30 pm
Del, I have a little thump in the hand with my lighter arrows but when I shot a heavier arrow it was fine. It's not a world record holder for speed but it shoots just fine. How long was yours, Del? From all that I read, I wasn't too surprised with any of that. The original was estimated to be well over 100# draw weight. That changes things, for one, a little extra wood on the tips probably doesn't make a lick of difference at that weight.

I think mine was 72" it was done for a lady, here's a post about it:-
http://bowyersdiary.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/hedeby-bow-performance.html (http://bowyersdiary.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/hedeby-bow-performance.html)
Del
Title: Re: 'Hedeby' Viking Yew Longbow 57#@30"
Post by: WillS on April 02, 2017, 07:29:24 pm
I've just found out that I'm making the arrows for the customer of this bow.  Really looking forward to seeing them with this beautiful replica!
Title: Re: 'Hedeby' Viking Yew Longbow 57#@30"
Post by: Weylin on April 02, 2017, 11:25:05 pm
Haha, small world. Looking forward to the pictures as well.
Title: Re: 'Hedeby' Viking Yew Longbow 57#@30"
Post by: wizardgoat on April 03, 2017, 12:26:42 am
Awesome bow, I really need to make one in this style
Title: Re: 'Hedeby' Viking Yew Longbow 57#@30" - arrows made for this bow!
Post by: WillS on June 25, 2017, 11:24:40 am
These are the arrows that I made for Chris, the owner of this beautiful bow.  They are Nydam replicas - same period, slightly different location.

Full build log on the Arrows section, but hopefully Weylin doesn't mind me posting a couple of pics of the finished arrows on this thread too!  It was a real pleasure to make these, especially knowing just how gorgeous the bow they're being matched to is!

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Title: Re: 'Hedeby' Viking Yew Longbow 57#@30"
Post by: simson on June 25, 2017, 02:39:00 pm
oh wow, thank you for posting your amazing arrows! ... and bringing back Weylin's bow - I missed it!

The new owner is a lucky guy, possessing masterpieces of two master bowyers and fletchers.

Can't find words, bow and arrows are replicas as its best.
Title: Re: 'Hedeby' Viking Yew Longbow 57#@30"
Post by: BowEd on June 25, 2017, 05:32:36 pm
Those arrows really complete the set.Something to cherish for sure.
Title: Re: 'Hedeby' Viking Yew Longbow 57#@30"
Post by: GlisGlis on June 26, 2017, 05:49:54 am
Terrific set of bow and arrows  (A)
they make me ear the sound of the sea and the screams of battles
Title: Re: 'Hedeby' Viking Yew Longbow 57#@30"
Post by: Badger on June 26, 2017, 05:59:43 am
  I agree with everyone above, another great one.
Title: Re: 'Hedeby' Viking Yew Longbow 57#@30"
Post by: leonwood on June 26, 2017, 07:40:45 am
Really nice arrows! This makes an amazing set with the bow!