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Title: Teaser for Richard Saffold
Post by: Timo on February 06, 2010, 08:03:16 pm
Osage backed Ipe recurve. 61" ntn setting  43# @ 25" right now. Got 3" to go. Was hoping for 50# @ 28". Should be close.Letting it sweat some more trying to get the tiller to settle in. I glued this up with no reflex,(other than the recurves)  hoping for it to take fatigue out of the handle and out through the mid limb and it has taken only 3/4: set so far.

Not sure if it is gonna hold together ? Short draw shot it quite a bit already and man this stuff is fast.My first attempt at this wood combo.Don't take much to make a bow.

Limbs are 1 3/16" @ the fades,tapering to 1/2" tips. The thickest part I can find on the limbs is 7/16". Osage backing is edge grain 1/8".



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Title: Re: Teaser for Richard Saffold
Post by: Timo on February 06, 2010, 08:04:55 pm
Fergot the other pic :P

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Title: Re: Teaser for Richard Saffold
Post by: DanaM on February 06, 2010, 08:09:45 pm
Man thats looking good Timo :)
Title: Re: Teaser for Richard Saffold
Post by: medicinewheel on February 06, 2010, 08:43:47 pm
EXTRAORDINARY!!!
Title: Re: Teaser for Richard Saffold
Post by: FlintWalker on February 06, 2010, 08:50:16 pm
That's lookin good 8)  Just take her on out a couple inches more and send her on over to me. I'll finish it for ya ::)
Title: Re: Teaser for Richard Saffold
Post by: Jesse on February 06, 2010, 09:08:00 pm
ba ba ba ba ba bad 8)  ;D I dont sing any better in real life ;D     cool bow 8)
Title: Re: Teaser for Richard Saffold
Post by: Josh on February 06, 2010, 09:13:26 pm
...that's lookin pretty stinkin cool!  Can't wait to see it finished!   :)  -josh
Title: Re: Teaser for Richard Saffold
Post by: Keenan on February 06, 2010, 09:40:50 pm
Sweeet, looking great! ;)
Title: Re: Teaser for Richard Saffold
Post by: barebo on February 06, 2010, 10:22:51 pm
Timo - I'm really wanting to try a recurve bad....!! How did you bend them in ?? That is one Sweet lookin' bow.
Title: Re: Teaser for Richard Saffold
Post by: ricktrojanowski on February 06, 2010, 10:36:23 pm
That is one good looking bow.  Keep it coming.
Title: Re: Teaser for Richard Saffold
Post by: Rich Saffold on February 06, 2010, 11:31:59 pm
Timo,

Looks real good, and considering how short those limbs are I'd shave a little off the sides when going for the last few inches..You might be able to sand it off as well as you are so close..

That wood you sent me worked out great. I have an Ipe backed osage longbow like the last two I made bending pretty good..

That bow may actually be faster at 25-26" draw considering the poundage and limb length. Often if I like at this point I just shoot them and rub a little with the sandpaper or touch it with the scraper...

Rich

Title: Re: Teaser for Richard Saffold
Post by: adb on February 06, 2010, 11:43:24 pm
osage backed ipe... what an unusual combination!!
Title: Re: Teaser for Richard Saffold
Post by: Timo on February 07, 2010, 12:22:34 am
Barebo, I sawed kerfs in the limb tips,heat bent them on a form,then glued in fillers (for the kerfs) and everything else at the same time. I used ipe for the fillers and handel.Ya can't even tell it has been sawn.

Rich,I am amazed at how fast this bow is already.And so little wood? I have been sanding the last few inches to finish the tiller on out.It is at rest tonight.I am curious as to how it rest overnight. It has already been through some long brace times,and is holding well.Impressive stuff!I will finish it tomorrow or monday, we have another 9" snow coming so will get some more shop time looks like.
Glad the wood worked out well for ya.I'd be interested in another trade for some wider ipe? I have some more ideas that I would like to try. I got me a drum sander so now I can run thicknesses.I haven't used what you sent me yet, but that is my next project.

Thanks all for the good words. BUT.... It ain't over till ...well you know.:)
Title: Re: Teaser for Richard Saffold
Post by: Pat B on February 07, 2010, 12:40:28 am
Extremely nice bow Tim. Interesting combo!  8)
Title: Re: Teaser for Richard Saffold
Post by: Justin Snyder on February 07, 2010, 12:49:10 am
Nice bow Tim. Rich has me thinking outside the box also, I have an osage backed boo going right now also.  ;D
Title: Re: Teaser for Richard Saffold
Post by: Rich Saffold on February 07, 2010, 01:37:02 am
Tim,

We can definatly do another trade. Osage like that will always keep me interested in getting more..

I always felt these woods could be a great mix, and I think we are going to see a renaissance of sorts with more bowyers getting outside the norm like Justin mentions..

I started shooting an Ipe/Ipe recurve today and its been real fun so far..

Keep the pics coming! The last osage/osage longbow I made from your wood has me feeling very confident about osage as a backing..

Rich
Title: Re: Teaser for Richard Saffold
Post by: Jude on February 07, 2010, 04:25:35 am
Has anyone tried sinew backed ipe yet?  I'm thinking that might make a decent horn-free hornbow.
Title: Re: Teaser for Richard Saffold
Post by: Grunt on February 07, 2010, 09:59:02 am
Really nice lines on that bow. I like it. I also have a Argentina Osage/ Boo ready for glue up. Was getting the first high brace a bear? Maybe it's me but I find on a reflexed bow that first high brace sometimes takes a man, a boy, and a mule.
Title: Re: Teaser for Richard Saffold
Post by: sulphur on February 07, 2010, 10:22:55 am
i got to know how you cut your osage to use as a backing!!?????  Also if that were my bow i would continue to work on the last half of each limb to finish out the tiller.  thats a great looking bow.  that combo or osage and blk walnut always makes me think of Charlie brown for some reason.  I haven't tried ipe yet but really need to.
Title: Re: Teaser for Richard Saffold
Post by: Timo on February 07, 2010, 10:24:12 am
Grunt, I made me an adjustable press that I can clamp to a table,(looks like a compound bow press) I use a big quicky clamp to clamp down the handle. Once I get it clamped down I can just hook on my string. This jig works well for also seeing how well the limbs bend(together) before ever stressing any wood,the same effect as floor tillering,only you are not stressing one limb over the other.
Title: Re: Teaser for Richard Saffold
Post by: OldBow on February 07, 2010, 03:23:59 pm
Very nice bow. Did you resaw the osage yourself? Bookmarked under February Laminates for BOM, too.
Title: Re: Teaser for Richard Saffold
Post by: Grunt on February 07, 2010, 06:36:36 pm
Grunt, I made me an adjustable press that I can clamp to a table,(looks like a compound bow press) I use a big quicky clamp to clamp down the handle. Once I get it clamped down I can just hook on my string. This jig works well for also seeing how well the limbs bend(together) before ever stressing any wood,the same effect as floor tillering,only you are not stressing one limb over the other.

I sure would like to see a picture of your press. Don't know what a compound bow press looks like.
Title: Re: Teaser for Richard Saffold
Post by: Timo on February 07, 2010, 06:38:43 pm
I had some osage logged last year and took it to a mill to reduce it into 2"boards. AIr dried it and  did all the resawing myself. Got lots of slats to work with. With the right equipment anything is possible.

OldBow, this bow isn't finished yet so ya might should wait until we see if this thing holds together? :o

Grunt, I'll try to get some pic this afternoon.
Title: Re: Teaser for Richard Saffold
Post by: Hillbilly on February 07, 2010, 07:54:51 pm
Tim, that's looking great. Interesting combo, looks like it's gonna be a wicked bow.
Title: Re: Teaser for Richard Saffold
Post by: Timo on February 07, 2010, 11:27:21 pm
Grunt here are a couple pics of what I use early tillering and bracing heavy bows.

The base can be about any length, I just clamp it down to fit my bow length. The uprights are 12"  long set on a 22.5 degree. I made it to help me build bows after a hernia surgery. It has helped me alot with getting bows to close tiller without ever bracing them.

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Title: Re: Teaser for Richard Saffold
Post by: Grunt on February 08, 2010, 12:33:00 am
Timo, thanks a bunch for the photos. I'll be building one like it tomorrow. Nice thing about this site is folks willing to share.
Thanks again
Title: Re: Teaser for Richard Saffold
Post by: Postman on March 19, 2010, 10:11:04 am
Neat setup...might this also be used (with the belly side down ) to put  reflex in while pointing the heat gun up at the belly?
Title: Re: Teaser for Richard Saffold
Post by: Pappy on March 19, 2010, 12:51:45 pm
Looking good,that should be sweet. :)
   Pappy
Title: Re: Teaser for Richard Saffold
Post by: mullet on March 19, 2010, 01:04:51 pm
  Timo, that looks like it's gonna be a real Rocket launcher. I need to get into all that Ipe I've got
Title: Re: Teaser for Richard Saffold
Post by: DCM4 on March 19, 2010, 03:43:01 pm
Love the jig.  Marc has a similar setup, sans the smelly tube socks.  ;-)
Title: Re: Teaser for Richard Saffold
Post by: Badger on March 19, 2010, 04:17:26 pm
   Timo, I use something similar, Instead of the clamp I have a rmall rope I put around the handle with a little handcrank under the bench, the rope just goes htrough a hole in the bench and around the crank,
Title: Re: Teaser for Richard Saffold
Post by: HatchA on March 19, 2010, 05:28:37 pm
Tim...  can't believe I missed this thread until it was brought back to life  :-\

That bow looks seriously amazing!!  Wonderful combination of woods AND of colours  (that's how we spell colour over here  :P)

Press is a good idea too and similar, if larger, in design to Steve's jig for bending tips for recurve on Poorfolkbows.

How did the bow turn out?  Or did I miss it in another thread somewhere?   I'll take a look through Feb BOM again...
Title: Re: Teaser for Richard Saffold
Post by: bcbull on March 19, 2010, 07:02:40 pm
hey rich,,,  so  ya belive me now lol .. ;D told u this make s rocket launchers    brock
Title: Re: Teaser for Richard Saffold
Post by: Keenan on March 20, 2010, 04:42:27 am
Timo, That is looking great. I always love seeing your work. Can't wait to see it completed