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Main Discussion Area => Flintknapping => Topic started by: JoJoDapyro on August 19, 2014, 12:01:39 am

Title: Utah Wonderstone
Post by: JoJoDapyro on August 19, 2014, 12:01:39 am
Anyone have any experience with this? My inlaws have about 500 pounds of it in their yard.
Title: Re: Utah Wonderstone
Post by: Zuma on August 19, 2014, 12:41:53 am
Ancientarcher posted a list by state of knappable rock.
Wonderstone is listed last for Utah.
But it is sought after by rock hounds.


Knappable Rock Resource Page..
Zuma
Title: Re: Utah Wonderstone
Post by: JoJoDapyro on August 19, 2014, 12:55:12 am
well darn. I would like to get something that I don't have to buy, and the place to get utah wonderstone is kind of close. It looks almost like sand stone. Any Idea if it heat treats?
Title: Re: Utah Wonderstone
Post by: stickbender on August 19, 2014, 03:00:22 am

     Wonder stone?  ???  Pictures? ;)


                             Wayne
Title: Re: Utah Wonderstone
Post by: JoJoDapyro on August 19, 2014, 10:44:52 am
Stock photo. The stuff my Inlaws have is very orange and purple. Says that it has a hardness of 7,
Title: Re: Utah Wonderstone
Post by: JW_Halverson on August 19, 2014, 11:37:35 am
Oh Lordy! If that stuff is knappable, there is potential for art points!
Title: Re: Utah Wonderstone
Post by: JoJoDapyro on August 19, 2014, 11:47:15 am
I have read both, that it is, and that it isn't. It isn't as hard as glass, so it may be difficult to work. That was why I was wondering about heat treating it. It is very good looking stuff, and the place to gather it is only about an hour and a half from my house. My inlaws have a few boulders (150 plus pound rocks) of it in their rock garden. Next time i'm there I will sneak a chunk and see how it breaks.
Title: Re: Utah Wonderstone
Post by: Tower on August 19, 2014, 12:04:37 pm
I've seen some stunning points made from it.   True jaw droppers!
Title: Re: Utah Wonderstone
Post by: JoJoDapyro on August 19, 2014, 01:10:47 pm
I'll get some asap and see how it goes. Maybe trade fodder.
Title: Re: Utah Wonderstone
Post by: JoJoDapyro on August 19, 2014, 02:13:36 pm
To add to what has been said, I guess it is a type of Rhyolite. If that helps anyone decide if that makes it more knappable.
Title: Re: Utah Wonderstone
Post by: Wolf Watcher on August 19, 2014, 02:47:50 pm
A couple of raps with a hammer stone to see if it breaks with a concoidial  fissure should answer your question.  If it is soft or easy to flake like opalized materals you can still knap it but its not much good for a tool or point!  Joe
Title: Re: Utah Wonderstone
Post by: JoJoDapyro on August 19, 2014, 03:04:22 pm
I'm hoping to get down there in the next few days. Ill see if I can talk them into giving me some (They have a lot). I'm very new to all of this so sorry if my questions seem repetitive. I'll see how it breaks.
Title: Re: Utah Wonderstone
Post by: stickbender on August 19, 2014, 04:05:34 pm

     Thanks for the picture.  That stuff is awesome!  I hope it will take heat, and you can make some fancy points from it.  Or send some to Tower, and see what he can do with it, or Jack Crafty, or Mullet.  Cool looking stuff.  Thanks again for the picture.

                                                           Wayne
Title: Re: Utah Wonderstone
Post by: mullet on August 19, 2014, 07:55:58 pm
I know where some of that is in a yard in the town I work in >:D. I've been driving by over a year checking it out and trying to figure out what it was.
Title: Re: Utah Wonderstone
Post by: Tower on August 19, 2014, 08:57:01 pm
There is an old you tube vid w/ a wonder stone knapped point, but I can't find it.
Title: Re: Utah Wonderstone
Post by: Tyke on August 19, 2014, 09:55:27 pm
When and if you find it please post it
Title: Re: Utah Wonderstone
Post by: TRACY on August 19, 2014, 10:11:23 pm
Cool looking stuff! Moh's hardness scale 7? If so, break out the dogwood billets and icy hot for the arm.

Tracy
Title: Re: Utah Wonderstone
Post by: caveman2533 on August 19, 2014, 10:41:54 pm
I have been to the site out in the hills of Utah where this can be mined. Most of what was there whae I was there was not knappable, but there is some that can be. We did not have great digging equipment when we were there so we could not dig real well for it. I could see that deeper down there was material that was better quality. Gem trails of Utah should have directions to the site.
Title: Re: Utah Wonderstone
Post by: JoJoDapyro on August 19, 2014, 11:26:51 pm
How deep am I going to have to dig? I don't mind the work if it is worth it in the end. Digging through rock, or dirt?
Title: Re: Utah Wonderstone
Post by: bowmo on August 20, 2014, 12:24:20 pm
That's a darn pretty rock. Seen some killer points made from similar wonderstone.
Title: Re: Utah Wonderstone
Post by: JoJoDapyro on October 01, 2014, 06:02:53 pm
I went and mowed my wifes grandparents lawns today and took this photo. This is the best looking chunk of wonderstone they have in their rock garden. It looks and feels like it would break right, but it has been there since they have lived there, and that is close to 40 years of freeze thaw. I really need to make a trip and get some.
Title: Re: Utah Wonderstone
Post by: bowmo on October 01, 2014, 09:09:48 pm
drool...
Title: Re: Utah Wonderstone
Post by: mullet on October 01, 2014, 09:25:16 pm
I don't see any freeze cracks. Hit it! :D
Title: Re: Utah Wonderstone
Post by: JoJoDapyro on October 01, 2014, 09:31:57 pm
I need to just take a trip out and get about 200 pounds of my own! I'll post what it makes.
Title: Re: Utah Wonderstone
Post by: Parnell on October 02, 2014, 11:08:12 am
Oh man that is some cool looking stuff.
Title: Re: Utah Wonderstone
Post by: cowboy on October 02, 2014, 06:34:44 pm
That one looks sandy/ grainy but apparently it fractures. You like gray rocks ::)?
Title: Re: Utah Wonderstone
Post by: JoJoDapyro on October 02, 2014, 07:48:50 pm
My only reservation on taking a trip is it will be about $100 in gas, to strike out would make me a bit angry. When I do go, If I find it spalls right I will have plenty for trade.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Utah Wonderstone
Post by: mullet on October 02, 2014, 08:34:48 pm
Ummm, I think you need to answer Cowboys' question, I've seen what usually happens when you do. ::) ;)
Title: Re: Utah Wonderstone
Post by: vinemaplebows on October 02, 2014, 09:57:24 pm
Stuff I have seen is always too grainy.
Title: Re: Utah Wonderstone
Post by: JoJoDapyro on October 02, 2014, 11:11:44 pm
LOL, Yes, I love any rock I can smash, sometimes I can even make something out of them.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Utah Wonderstone
Post by: Knapper on October 09, 2014, 12:33:36 pm
If that was in my inlaws yard it would be gone and replaced with lime stone " If you know what I mean!!"

Knapper
Title: Re: Utah Wonderstone
Post by: JoJoDapyro on October 09, 2014, 09:14:17 pm
I would have taken a chunk, but they weren't home, and have a son (he's 60) living with them that steals just about anything that isn't bolted down, and they don't need that crap! LOL