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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Midnight on May 14, 2015, 11:36:27 pm

Title: Curious lurker
Post by: Midnight on May 14, 2015, 11:36:27 pm
I am six feet four inches tall with a draw length of thirty three inches. I have been practicing archery for about six months now and have been bitten by the bug to try my hand at building a self bow. My first question is this, how do I determine a ballpark length for the bow? My second question is would sugar maple be a good choice or would white oak be a better choice?
Title: Re: Curious lurker
Post by: Pat B on May 14, 2015, 11:43:28 pm
I think 72" long and bend through the handle would be a good start. After a few more replies I'm going to move this post to "BOWS" for better response. Either sugar maple of white oak would work well.
Title: Re: Curious lurker
Post by: Midnight on May 14, 2015, 11:54:14 pm
Thanks for the quick response Pat B. Sorry for posting in the wrong section.
Title: Re: Curious lurker
Post by: Pat B on May 15, 2015, 10:28:36 am
Not necessarily in the wrong location but you'll get better response on the "BOWS" thread. I'll go ahead and move it now.
Title: Re: Curious lurker
Post by: bubby on May 15, 2015, 11:18:31 am
Long as you are tall bendy for your first, middle 18" 1-1/4" wide then straight taper to 1/2" tips to get started
Title: Re: Curious lurker
Post by: Blaflair2 on May 15, 2015, 01:14:56 pm
I'm 6'4" and I have a 28/29" draw. Where do u anchor?
Title: Re: Curious lurker
Post by: huisme on May 15, 2015, 01:46:54 pm
All my orders' working wood length go by draw length times two unless otherwise specified. Levers count as working wood as they enhance string angle dramatically. Figure out the length of your desired grip/riser and add that to limb length and go cut yourself a stave ;)

So for you I'd start at 66" for a bendy handle, 73" for my standard 7" grip + 1.5" of you want a cutaway shelf.

A little more length is good security. I like building short but when I started I probably had an extra six inches on everything.
Title: Re: Curious lurker
Post by: blackhawk on May 15, 2015, 09:25:04 pm
Welcome to PA!! :)

I know guys 6'6" or more and have a hard time drawing past 24"...and guys a foot or less shorter than that draw 30"+....jus saying...I don't believe what someone tells me there draw length is until I see em shoot  :P   :laugh:

If you honestly have a 33" draw I'd make a simple bend in the handle bow no less than 76" long for your first few attempts
Title: Re: Curious lurker
Post by: Badger on May 15, 2015, 09:28:48 pm
  If you are shooting a compound now I would guess you will end up with a 28 or 29" draw. Maybe not, I have a 5" 11" buddy who draws an honest 31", my 6'6" buddy draws about 28".
Title: Re: Curious lurker
Post by: George Tsoukalas on May 16, 2015, 09:44:40 am
For a selfbow double your draw and add 10-20% depending on the wood used and its condition.

For your first few a backing like silk, linen, burlap or rawhide is suggested.

There's info on my site.

http://georgeandjoni.home.comcast.net/~georgeandjoni/index.html

Jawge
Title: Re: Curious lurker
Post by: Eric Krewson on May 16, 2015, 09:53:57 am
33" draws are few and far between but not impossible. I had a guy wanting me to build a bow for him, said he had a 34" draw, being skeptical I asked how he measured his draw length. He said he held and arrow in his hand and simulated drawing it without a bow.

I told him to place the nock in the middle of his chest and extend his arms without stretching and see where the tips of his fingers touched the arrow shaft in front of him, the length was 29". I built him a bow for a 29" draw and it fit him perfectly.
Title: Re: Curious lurker
Post by: Midnight on May 18, 2015, 02:29:17 pm
I'm 6'4" and I have a 28/29" draw. Where do u anchor?


I anchor right behind my cheek bone. I have a wing span of over 81 inches. I'm tall but also as wide as a door in the shoulders.
Title: Re: Curious lurker
Post by: Midnight on May 18, 2015, 02:41:40 pm
  If you are shooting a compound now I would guess you will end up with a 28 or 29" draw. Maybe not, I have a 5" 11" buddy who draws an honest 31", my 6'6" buddy draws about 28".

My compound is set up for 31.5 inch draw and thats the max for my bow. Its also to short but my friend that got me into compounds showed me how to cheat the extra length I need with my d-loop and with the type of release I have.
Title: Re: Curious lurker
Post by: Midnight on May 18, 2015, 02:45:44 pm
33" draws are few and far between but not impossible. I had a guy wanting me to build a bow for him, said he had a 34" draw, being skeptical I asked how he measured his draw length. He said he held and arrow in his hand and simulated drawing it without a bow.

I told him to place the nock in the middle of his chest and extend his arms without stretching and see where the tips of his fingers touched the arrow shaft in front of him, the length was 29". I built him a bow for a 29" draw and it fit him perfectly.

I measured mine by putting a PVC pipe in my left hand and a yard stick as the arrow and drew back to my anchor point and voila... 33 inches. I did this 4 times to be sure.
Title: Re: Curious lurker
Post by: Midnight on May 18, 2015, 02:52:58 pm
Thanks everyone for the info and help. I really appreciate it.
Title: Re: Curious lurker
Post by: Eric Krewson on May 19, 2015, 09:28:21 am
You measured your draw length just like the guy I mentioned and it won't be right.

A bow compresses you several inches, a static measurement won't be correct.

Put that yardstick on your sternum and see where your outstretched fingers touch it without stretching out.
Title: Re: Curious lurker
Post by: Midnight on May 20, 2015, 01:14:58 am
You measured your draw length just like the guy I mentioned and it won't be right.

A bow compresses you several inches, a static measurement won't be correct.

Put that yardstick on your sternum and see where your outstretched fingers touch it without stretching out.

Close handed or open? Should I put my arm straight out in front of me or out to my side?
Title: Re: Curious lurker
Post by: Eric Krewson on May 20, 2015, 08:54:38 am
Open handed, finger tips forward, straight out in front of you, both hands touching the yardstick, one on each side, not off to the side in a shooting position.
Title: Re: Curious lurker
Post by: Midnight on May 20, 2015, 12:55:53 pm
Thank you for the help. I'll give it a try tonight.
Title: Re: Curious lurker
Post by: Midnight on May 21, 2015, 11:01:02 am
Open handed, finger tips forward, straight out in front of you, both hands touching the yardstick, one on each side, not off to the side in a shooting position.

Gave it a whirl. 30" thanks for the help.
Title: Re: Curious lurker
Post by: H Rhodes on May 21, 2015, 11:51:31 am
You are a long armed fellow!  I was expecting 28".  :D
Title: Re: Curious lurker
Post by: Midnight on May 21, 2015, 02:00:33 pm
You are a long armed fellow!  I was expecting 28".  :D

Yeah I'm a big guy.
Title: Re: Curious lurker
Post by: paco664 on May 21, 2015, 04:25:55 pm
You are a long armed fellow!  I was expecting 28".  :D

Yeah I'm a big guy.
don't feel bad... i am 6'3 and have a 32" draw...  :(
Title: Re: Curious lurker
Post by: Eric Krewson on May 21, 2015, 06:48:41 pm
I was expecting 29 or 30", now you know you know what your real draw length is and can build the right poundage to fit you.
Title: Re: Curious lurker
Post by: Midnight on May 21, 2015, 11:45:16 pm
You are a long armed fellow!  I was expecting 28".  :D

Yeah I'm a big guy.
don't feel bad... i am 6'3 and have a 32" draw...  :(
Its a real pain to find dress shirts isn't it? :)
Title: Re: Curious lurker
Post by: paco664 on May 22, 2015, 02:02:10 am
Oh dear God yes. ..
Title: Re: Curious lurker
Post by: chef-d405 on May 22, 2015, 01:32:48 pm
You and i are pretty close in size I'm 6'2 and i draw 29". I would consider going low draw weight (40-45) for your first bow. It will be a bit more forgiving that way. When you probably break it, don't be discouraged. We all pay our dues. Make another one. I highly recommend a copy of The Traditional Bower's Bible vol. 1. It has the information you need on tillering and basics on design.