Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: simson on January 17, 2015, 05:54:41 pm
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- twisted 90°
- pronounced dogleg 30°
- abrupt reflex on the other limb 20°
- side kinks
- holes
- a kinda waist (from a big branch) on the bending part of one limb
that thing is 71“ long. My first thought was to avoid at least one hole at one side and another at an end by cutting off. I didn't, instaed I cut off 2” of each end so now it is 67” long. I'm aiming for a (character, hahah) static recurve with 65” ntn.
Twist 90°
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Dogleg and side kink
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Reflex on one limb
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Some of the holes
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(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20static%20snakey%20iron%20wood%20handle/P1030458_zps3c86c699.jpg)
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20static%20snakey%20iron%20wood%20handle/P1030459_zps2fcabd7e.jpg)
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Cut off 2 x 2”, the first 3 0r four rings are o. k . I hope I can get the second or at least the third
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unbelievable. Good luck. I guess you never know.
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Looks like you are well on the way to a new snakey bow !
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Its going to be hard to sign the bow, "made my simson the masochist, April 2015", isn't it? :-\
Honestly, it would be a lot of work, a real challenge, and something that might end up looking pretty wicked once you get it to a state that it is launching arrows. You have to find out. O:)
8)
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I have faith in you. Looks like there is a bow in there to me. If it survives the wrench the rest should be easy. Good luck with it. For that much twisting I think I would use steam rather than dry heat. It will be fun to see what you do with it. :D
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Challenge??..... for Mr. Simson........naw I don't think so. :)
Can't wait to see it all finished up....but, it does look mighty tough though. :-\ :)
DBar
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Go for it, Simon. I know you can do it. The osage can take it if you can. Just take it slow.
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For me it would be firewood. :laugh: I am betting you will make a nice one out of it.
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Good luck! It would be firewood for me too. Jawge
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You've got this one man. Can't wait to see it finished up. You should do a follow along!!
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Simon from looking at your others I'm sure you know how to handle that. Me, I would have to try, but I still have problems with good wood. Good luck, I'll be watching close if you do a build along. Joe from Ky.
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I know for sure I wouldn't bother with it lol too much twist for my patience level but I can see you getting a bow from it.
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Looks like it's a little too easy for you.
You should put it on a railroad for at least a week to have a decent challenge for your skills :D :D ;)
Waiting for a great buildalong !!!
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1000 Quatloos on Simson! ::)
Del
(For you youngsters.... a Quatloo is a currency used for gambling in an early Star Trek episode... circa 1968.
Captain Kirk is forced to fight like a gladiator and the Alien shouts "A 100 Quatloos on the newcomer!"
Aw shucks... it just ain't funny when you have to explain it :-[ ;))
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watch it. you're showin your [our?] age. I grew up on that stuff, too! as for the stave, those little slivers can surprise you. I have a little 40 lb stick of osage that came dangerously close to being firewood. try it! if fails, then burn it. otherwise, you may end up with your favorite bow!
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I wouldn't call it a challenge...I'd call it a pain in the a$$ :laugh: ...I've made bows out if worse :P ;) :laugh:
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Wow... amazing challenge!
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Thanks for your faith in me! I really don't know how this experiment turns out.
Its going to be hard to sign the bow, "made my simson the masochist, April 2015", isn't it? :-\
Honestly, it would be a lot of work, a real challenge, and something that might end up looking pretty wicked once you get it to a state that it is launching arrows. You have to find out. O:)
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Don't want to wait that long Steve. Either it come out as firewood or as a bow next week ...
1000 Quatloos on Simson! ::)
Del
(For you youngsters.... a Quatloo is a currency used for gambling in an early Star Trek episode... circa 1968.
Captain Kirk is forced to fight like a gladiator and the Alien shouts "A 100 Quatloos on the newcomer!"
Aw shucks... it just ain't funny when you have to explain it :-[ ;))
Hahaha
Captain Kirk: Scotty, please beam me up - there's no intelligent life here!!!!
I wouldn't call it a challenge...I'd call it a pain in the a$$ :laugh: ...I've made bows out if worse :P ;) :laugh:
Urgh, I can feel it ...
O.K.
I was in my shop. I steamed that baby and clamped it to a caul with additional help from the heatgun. Got most of the twist out, dogleg is out.
Tomorrrow evening I will steam in recurves and do side corrections. Hope it holds together, looks good so far ...
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I might have a go with my Osage stave... I just made some very pretty Yew firewood >:( :-X
Del
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If you make that into a functioning bow (I think you have what it takes personally) you will be the dr. frankenstien of bowyers! Bring the creature to life!
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No way. Impossible. Can't be done. ;)
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I can't wait to see what becomes of it. I have faith in you Simon
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Well, I apologize. I’m a bit lazy with posting pics of the process, but you will get a lot of the finished bow.
And of course I was in my shop, here’s a short cut of steps I did:
Recurves are steamed in.
Unfortunately they were not in line, missing angle about 30°. Also need for string alignment correction. I did these corrections all in one heating session.
Added reflex with dry heat.
I will wait a few days before tillering till the stave gets some humidity back. Time to chase a ring, an additional ring at the levers allows cutting the stringnock in the back and making the levers narrow.
Two days pause
The holes are carefully worked out. Not much width to play only little side work with the drawknife, carefully watching the grain and trying to get a bit of a taper outwards.
back upper limb
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belly
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20static%20snakey%20iron%20wood%20handle/P1030484_zpscb79a845.jpg)
back lower limb
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20static%20snakey%20iron%20wood%20handle/P1030481_zps42ef3276.jpg)
belly
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Depth: the knotholes shows particularly high crown on the back, I hollowed out the belly to get even thickness. First more or less even thickness along the limbs, then a few scrapes to get some taper. The further tillering is done in the middle of the belly, resulting in concave furrow. The developing two ridges give more stability (very narrow snakey stave).This is not a HLD bow, the belly don’t flatten out when the bow is drawn. This is only a different way of tillering the depth taper for more stability (twisting) and matching more with deep valleys at the knotholes.
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20static%20snakey%20iron%20wood%20handle/P1030492_zps74767fa0.jpg)
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20static%20snakey%20iron%20wood%20handle/P1030494_zps775dfe7d.jpg)
I had another problem. I got that thing to brace. While drawing (est. about 16”) I heard the ‘tic’. Immediately unbracing and examining the back and the belly brought no visible cracks or injuries. I braced it again, drew it again to 16” - nothing happened. Continued drawing out to about 20” and I heard the second ‘tic’. Now I saw two lengthwise cracks at the waist (lower limb).
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Obviously here is too much twisting stress concentrated. Perhaps I have too much spin induced at that wavy grain area while the first untwisting phase and the wood / grain wants now go back in the original shape.
This is what I did:
Filled the crack with thin super glue, wrapped with a soaked strong linen yarn, and coated the wet wrapping with TBIII. She has got a nice corsage at her waist.
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20static%20snakey%20iron%20wood%20handle/P1030471_zps7f031423.jpg)
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20static%20snakey%20iron%20wood%20handle/P1030473_zps3cf6a50a.jpg)
Next continued tillering, only a few scrapes more and I call it done. Tiller looks perhaps a bit ugly, I left some spots more or less stiff (knotholes).
The levers got a filed in string groove and a natural overlay (additional ring) for string nock on the back. That overlay is feathering out at the kink of the lever.
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20static%20snakey%20iron%20wood%20handle/P1030487_zps06ded467.jpg)
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The handle turned out very narrow, only ¾ “. I glued on a riser block from a contrasting exotic wood called clavellin. For more comfort a piece of leather, thinned out at the edges, was added. I got the pattern on the leather by accident, I clamped the wet leather with textile rubber band to the handle to get the form – that's was it. Always looking for new solutions, this handle fits super nice in my palm.
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20static%20snakey%20iron%20wood%20handle/P1030478_zps512e440f.jpg)
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20static%20snakey%20iron%20wood%20handle/P1030497_zpsb78f4124.jpg)
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20static%20snakey%20iron%20wood%20handle/P1030498_zpscc3048db.jpg)
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20static%20snakey%20iron%20wood%20handle/P1030499_zpsf8ae4948.jpg)
I gave it sharp steep fades to save length for bending portions.
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20static%20snakey%20iron%20wood%20handle/P1030477_zps567ab8aa.jpg)
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20static%20snakey%20iron%20wood%20handle/P1030500_zps7377f825.jpg)
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Specs: 65” ntn, 48#/28”
Well, here is the bow … enjoy!
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20static%20snakey%20iron%20wood%20handle/P1030491_zps04112a66.jpg)
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20static%20snakey%20iron%20wood%20handle/P1030490_zps6ed32b50.jpg)
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20static%20snakey%20iron%20wood%20handle/P1030501_zps7d05b9cd.jpg)
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20static%20snakey%20iron%20wood%20handle/P1030502_zps0ea1e9a2.jpg)
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Haha, looks like it wasnt challenging that much.
Beautiful bow!
Where did you get the Osage from? Cause im from Bavaria too.... ;D
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Of course you just made a gorgeous bow like that out of a piece of osage that most of us would have burned. You are in a class of your own Simon.
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very nice thanks for sharing
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Amazing! Really like the leather on the handle. What did you glue it on with?
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you are an amazing bowyer! Every bow you post blows my freakin mind ! I don't know how to describe how beautiful that bow is but wow it's gorgeous!
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Good looking bow Simon. I need to get after another static soon.
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Truly amazing. Osage is not in great supply here in Europe, so that really is a save and a half. Great work!
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Fantastic, sir!
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Amazing Simon. Who needs primo staves? ;D
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Now that's a stick bow....Well done sir.
DBar
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Yep we were all right - fire wood to a beautiful bow. Well done sir!
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Amazing. I wasnt expecting a static to be pulled out of that stave. Wow. Interesting how you leave an extra ring as a natural overlay. Huisme used to favour the extra ring overlay.
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That turned out really nice Simon and the tiller looks very good even with those knots you had to work around.
I'd say you made lemonade out of that lemon.
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Damn Simon. Looks great. You whipped that thing out in no time flat. Great job.
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Outstanding bow! As always, great quality photos!
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I'm almost as impressed how fast you completed it as I am that you did at all. Amazing.
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A wise bowyer once told me that if it wants to be a bow, it will be a bow.
Gorilla in; baby out is my motto.
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You are "The Simson". Absolutely incredible. I just love that hole in the bow look. That finish is lovely.
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What can I add other than WOW, great save ! Outstanding Sir. Bob
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Nice job on a challenging piece of wood, waste not want not I always say. :)
Pappy
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WOW. You sure got the most out of that piece. Very impressive
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awesome work. love all the character in that baby
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AAAAggghhh
I knew it!!!!
Now I'm crying again !!! ;)
Man you are soo good!! I'm out of words to define how much I like your works
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Haha, looks like it wasnt challenging that much.
Beautiful bow!
Where did you get the Osage from? Cause im from Bavaria too.... ;D
I get my sage from the pile in my garage ...
Amazing. I wasnt expecting a static to be pulled out of that stave. Wow. Interesting how you leave an extra ring as a natural overlay. Huisme used to favour the extra ring overlay.
Did that often as nock overlay and as handle overlay(f.e. filing in finger grooves)
Thanks for your kind comments guys!
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That is just amazing work on a beautiful bow! The leather grip is super funky.
Do you use a gouge to tiller inside the limb, or something like sandpaper wrapped around a dowel?
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I knew it! another gorgeous bow
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Some do what they want! And if they can´t, it´s not needed!
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I swear Simon... you could make a bow out of a turd, if you set your mind to it! Amazing.
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Simply amazing, a piece of firewood turned into a piece of art...Period................ :o 8) :o 8)
Don
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Impressive 8)
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Mighty fine bow. You also know how to take great pictures.
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I would have named it "The Ugly Stick". ;D
It really is an impressive piece of work.
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Wow, what beatiful piece of osage you turned that into.
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Wow..... ??? Amazing! nice work!
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Incredible work pulling that bow out of a stick I would have burned without a second thought.
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Wow, some real beautiful character bow(a hund bist scho) very nicely done.
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unbelievable work, great job
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Beautifully done Simson
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Thats a beauty!
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That is just amazing work on a beautiful bow! The leather grip is super funky.
Do you use a gouge to tiller inside the limb, or something like sandpaper wrapped around a dowel?
In this case only the gooseneck scraper and sandpaper wrapped around a sponge
Somebody asked for the glue on the leather: it is simple super glue (didn't want to wait long)
All: Thanks again guys. I appreciate your nice comments!
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Oh, not another superb bow ::)
Great work, gorgeous bow.
Del :laugh:
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Simon, you never cease to amaze me with your bowyer skills!trully inspiring indeed!
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Very nice! Awesome work Simon.
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Outstanding and you completed quickly. You are a very talented bowyer. Jawge
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Good job Simson. Love your work and you had no prob with that little piece of fire wood. I would have cooked me some porkchops over the campfire with that one. Sure makes me feel bad having to start a new bow with a really nice piece of osage to work with. Feels like I'm cheating,lolDanny