Primitive Archer

Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: sessopantera on December 09, 2008, 09:05:00 pm

Title: new to primitive archery and need help
Post by: sessopantera on December 09, 2008, 09:05:00 pm
I am new at making bows and have attempted 12 so far all unsucessful.  If anybody knows a bowyer in central missouri that could help me out I would greatly appreciate it.
Title: Re: new to primitive archery and need help
Post by: sailordad on December 09, 2008, 09:21:40 pm
well if youve tried that many, glad you found this place.

ask as many questions as you want,the people here are more than willing to help.
there are lots of very talented folks here,i am not one of them as i am still fairly new,been here about a year.
i have learned alot from the good folks here,we do love pictures they help alot to get the right advise.

do you have any pics you could post of the failed bows?

                                                                             peace,
                                                                                     tim
Title: Re: new to primitive archery and need help
Post by: islandpiper on December 09, 2008, 09:27:26 pm
Boy, talk about STICK-TO-IVENESS,  you get the prize.   

Dang, I'd hate to break twelve in a row.   How are they breaking?  Where?  are you stressing them too early, i.e. before they are planed/filed/scraped and READY to bend? 

hmmm........stick with these guys, ask lots of questions and , yes, we like pics.  It's that or ten thousand more words.  Need info, though: what wood are you using?  length of bows?  pull weight you are aiming for? 

looking forward to getting you out shooting one of yours!!

piper
Title: Re: new to primitive archery and need help
Post by: 1/2primitive on December 09, 2008, 10:42:42 pm
Like others have said, pictures would help a great deal, and more info in general.
I think Brian (Koan) lives in the area. I'm sure others on here are around there, I just don't know them. ;)
    Sean
Title: Re: new to primitive archery and need help
Post by: Shooter_G22 on December 10, 2008, 12:56:32 am
well,

   i have to say im glad you found this place...  and sooner or later you will be too...  ask questions and read other people's post and look at other's work and tequenics...  like some one told me when first found this place...   " You have the best Wood Bow Makers in the world at your finger tips"
and these guys are allways happy to help you out...
we are all very furtunant to have this place of master bow makers and the knowledge they are sooo willing to share...  i dont think id want to learn anyplace else...
good luck and welcome aboard..
Title: Re: new to primitive archery and need help
Post by: Pappy on December 10, 2008, 11:59:58 am
Brian dose live in Missouri, he goes by Koan on here,I just don't know what part,but if he ant close we will be more than glad to help.Just let us know what you have in mind,wood,style,length and such and what you are up to and I am sure someone on here can give some good advice.Pictures
do help.I can tell after 12 you have the drive you just need a little guidance.Look forward
to hearing from you. :)
   Pappy
Title: Re: new to primitive archery and need help
Post by: Pat B on December 10, 2008, 12:26:32 pm
I think George broke 14 before he got a shooter. Only 2 more and you will be as good as George! ;D
Title: Re: new to primitive archery and need help
Post by: DanaM on December 10, 2008, 12:30:53 pm
Welcome to PA, Koan is in Sturgeon, MO and Auggie is in Moberly :)
My address bood may not be as big as eddie's but its getting there :)
Title: Re: new to primitive archery and need help
Post by: George Tsoukalas on December 11, 2008, 09:37:11 am
Pat's right, it took me 14 tries over 3 years to get a hunter. So stop whining and make some more shavings. LOL. You'll get it. If I can do it anyone can. Get a nice straight grained red oak board. Go for the 1 x 2's. That will give you 3/4 by 1.5 in. Have fu and enjoy the process. I now. I now. It  can get discouraging. But you already have a prime ingredient of successful bowyers. Perseverance ! Jawge
Title: Re: new to primitive archery and need help
Post by: mullet on December 11, 2008, 11:24:49 pm
 There is also Kevin Statwick (sgt caveman) in Springfield, Dennis Mount (kayakfisher), Springfield, and Dave Buck in Hot Springs,Ark. if you are down in that end of the state.
Title: Re: new to primitive archery and need help
Post by: sessopantera on December 12, 2008, 10:10:43 pm
To answer some questions....no I can't post pictures I don't have internet,I'm on my phone...I think my biggest problem is tillering, I want desperately to shoot my own bow I rush it at the end stages.  I live near sedalia or versailles or eldon if any of these cities ring a bell.  I am willing to drive as far as it takes. Any suggestions on who to try?
Title: Re: new to primitive archery and need help
Post by: El Destructo on December 13, 2008, 04:29:20 am
Hell you are just about Neighbors with Brian (Koan) in Sturgeon....... and Auggie in Moberly ........ and Kevin Statwick (Sgt Kaveman) .....and Dennis Mount (Kayakfisher) in Springfield are just a Hop Skip and a Jump from You too ......so you have all kinds of potential Mentors at your Doorstep
Title: Re: new to primitive archery and need help
Post by: sailordad on December 13, 2008, 06:52:41 pm
dang,wish i had that many talented bowyers that close to me :-\
Title: Re: new to primitive archery and need help
Post by: Gordon on December 14, 2008, 12:59:27 pm
IMO the two most important lessons a new bowyer needs to learn are:

1. Get a smooth and consistent thickness taper from the fade (or handle if building a D-bow) to the tips. Once you've established a proper thickness foundation it is easier to use your eye to complete the tillering process.

2. Don't overstress the bow during the tillering process. Only pull the bow far enough to see a potential problem. In many cases you can spot a developing problem just by closely examining the braced profile. If you pull the bow further than you need to, you'll likely damage the wood and exacerbate the problem.

Good luck!
Title: Re: new to primitive archery and need help
Post by: koan on December 17, 2008, 01:08:18 am
Sent ya a pm...soon as I get my Momma out of the hospital we'll get ur done...Do you have a stave or a good hardwood board? We'll get a list together of what you need and make it happen. Im only an hour from Sedalia. Mobow is in Marshall also..he is the man behind Mojam, we need to get you there in July..wealth of info there, bring a notebook,lol. Btw, im off work till Jan. 5th so we might could get together purty quick....Brian
Title: Re: new to primitive archery and need help
Post by: koan on January 02, 2009, 10:27:23 pm
Well fellers, Clay got hold of me and we are gettin together tomorrow to try and get him a bow tillered...wish us luck.....Brian
Title: Re: new to primitive archery and need help
Post by: CutNShoot on January 02, 2009, 11:07:22 pm
Awesome koan! That is Awesome.
Title: Re: new to primitive archery and need help
Post by: koan on January 03, 2009, 11:56:27 pm
Well folks, it went really well...Clay went home with a great bias ringed ash flatbow!! 72" x1 1/2", 45# @ 27"...He is a happy man right now ;)....He is gonna post pics soon....Brian
Title: Re: new to primitive archery and need help
Post by: koan on January 13, 2009, 01:27:50 pm
Just heard from Clay. He and his wife just had a baby so he aint had time to put the finish on his bow and post pics yet, but they are comin soon ;)....Brian
Title: Re: new to primitive archery and need help
Post by: John K on January 13, 2009, 01:45:57 pm
Sweet !  Looking foward to some pictures !
Title: Re: new to primitive archery and need help
Post by: mdwatts on January 15, 2009, 10:43:48 pm
Now that right there is what I call neighborly, right neighborly.  Lookin' forward to seein' his bow.  Hope the wife and kid are doin' good.