Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: mitchman on January 09, 2009, 08:44:08 pm
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just looking at the bowers den and saw this. we can do better than that. why is it so bad to shoot a fiberglass. i shoot my compound all the time. i think no less of these fiberglass shooters. it a step toward getting more primitive, right. just thought i would voice this. dont think it is a good thing to do to promote this site or primitive archery.
http://www.xsorbit4.com/users/buildabow/index.cgi?board=bish&action=display&num=1218665059 (http://www.xsorbit4.com/users/buildabow/index.cgi?board=bish&action=display&num=1218665059)
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I think anyone is welcome to come here and talk hunting and primitive archery, but you have to draw the line at some point or this will be just like any other trad site. -- i like them just fine, but i love this site, its by far my favorite, b\c it is primitive! my heart and soul lays with with non glass bows.
i dont want anyone that likes glass to feel unwelcome, I even own a bear grizzly that my dad gave me. i dont mind seeing the glass or rifle kills in "anything else" at all. but is where they should stay to keep this site what it is...a great primitive site. Im sorry if it offend someone to have their picture moved from the hunting pics to the anything else, i have had my rifle kill moved..i wasnt upset! i spose you cant please everyone.
....or we can say to hell with it! this means WAR!!!! ::) lol
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i own a wheelie bow i own a recurve,a bear( i think it is )
seems like every selfbow i make, i give away.my wife says i'm nuts,i figure everyone i give away gives me a reason to make my next.
the only bow i have kept for myself so far has been a boo/ipe elb.
by time i make a selfbow for myself, i may actually be making some that look good and have decent tiller.
however, yes any talk about glass type bows does belong in the "anything else" area.
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I agree that glass and such should stay in "anything else." I don't know why anyone would have any objections to this. I still rifle hunt and up until recently even shot a wheel bow from time to time. I really like this site for what it is a wooden bow site. I believe if kindly given an explination any person should be more than willing to abide by the boards rules and if they don't, we don't want people like that around.
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It's a primitive site and there are lots of others around. I shoot recurves, longbows and selfbows and it doesn't strain my sensibilities any. I came here because it was primitive only and a breath of fresh air. I have three or four other forums that talk other bows.
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Shoot fiberglass and compounds but you shouldn't shoot them here. :) Jawge
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ya i read the post on the site that link goes to.
sounds like a bunch of wining sallies,got their panty hose in bunches just cause we dont want them talking"f" on the bow link of this site.
they just dont understand that they can talk that in the anything else area or other sites. we wouldnt go over to their fiberglass sites ans start abuild along on making a self bow. duh
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There are lots of sites where people can talk about fiberglass bows. Fiberglass bow shooters are welcome here, as well as compound bow shooters and riflemen. Just talk about them where appropriate. We all come here to talk about wooden bows. Not fiberglass bows. That's not the point of the site.
And I feel blessed to have primitive archer. It gets depressing when time and time again all you hear about is how "even the worst modern fiberglass recurve can outshoot a wooden bow" by people who've never even shot one. The internet is a big place. If it's not what you're looking for, look somewhere else. Sheesh ::)!!!!
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You only need to read a few posts on that "site" to see what it entails. How long do you think this would stay primitive if you pushed the barn doors open? As I said, a breath of fresh air.
Jawge.....This no child left behind program is scaring the heck out of me, apparently, comprehension is going to heck. ::)
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Another feeding frenzy ;D
Built my last one with hand tools only, no band saws (like I've seen used here), no belt sander (like i've seen used here); just good old fashioned hand tools.
I'm sure others here have done the same. I guess I'm just wondering what is considered "Primitive" here
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Another feeding frenzy ;D
Built my last one with hand tools only, no band saws (like I've seen used here), no belt sander (like i've seen used here); just good old fashioned hand tools.
I'm sure others here have done the same. I guess I'm just wondering what is considered "Primitive" here
Most of us don't consider our bows primitive. We consider them wooden. And I know so long as people make an effort to put a black mark on the reputatin of wooden bows, I'll make that distinction >:(.
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If you don't get it, you don't want to get it. It's not a Mensa organization. I guess things must be politically correct nowadays or people just can't understand. How about bow from material that can be gathered naturally and processed without chemical help.
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Most of us don't consider our bows primitive. We consider them wooden. And I know so long as people make an effort to put a black mark on the reputatin of wooden bows, I'll make that distinction >:(.
But this is PRIMITIVE Archer!!!
This is PRIMITIVE Archer and we don't like fiberglass. To us it is the "F-word". Knowing that I can guarantee that everyone here will say glue it with white glue then seal the bow like you would any other bow. Many bows have been done this way and with great results. Justin
So where is the line drawn as to whats "Primitive"?
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Got any pics of that abo bow you made TP?
Would rather talk bows than splittin hairs anyday ;)
Tracy
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TP
that bow you made,were those modern hand tools or where they pieces of rock and natural glass?
i make what "i" will call a primitive bow, a bow that comes from a piece of a tree.
most of claim that,however very few of us claim we made them the primitive way.
they dont have to be made from stone tools to be a primitive bow,primitive bows were made from wood,sinew horn etc.
natural materials. that other stuff, "f", not so natural,therfore not primitive,even if you were to use a stick to stir it and apply it,its still not a natural or primitive
material.
i have made most with nothing more than mere modern hand tools,rasp and files etc.
only recently have i started to use a band saw to ruff out the shape. i got tired of spending endless hours with a rasp iny my hands trying to get to ruff shape.
other than the band saw,still ue just hand tools to do the rest of the work
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it's real simple texas pete the line is drawn on wood bows only. Or backed bows with natural backing.real simple. :)
Pappy
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Most of us don't consider our bows primitive. We consider them wooden. And I know so long as people make an effort to put a black mark on the reputatin of wooden bows, I'll make that distinction >:(.
But this is PRIMITIVE Archer!!!
This is PRIMITIVE Archer and we don't like fiberglass. To us it is the "F-word". Knowing that I can guarantee that everyone here will say glue it with white glue then seal the bow like you would any other bow. Many bows have been done this way and with great results. Justin
So where is the line drawn as to whats "Primitive"?
That was the name of the magazine when it started. They needed some way to seperate wooden bow and arrow and stone point users from the rest, and that's what fit. And Pappy put it perfectly :).
On a side note, I've personally seen a bandsaw from 1901 (pedal), and if we had the materials my brother, father and I could make a spring pole one.
Hey wait- we could make one, couldn't we :)...?
Besides, who can define what's primitive? We talking pre-19th century? What? Because even the lever action rifle is more "primitive" than the fiberglass laminated bow if it's jsut a matter of dates. As Tracy said- we can split hairs all day. I've seen compound bow shooters call their rigs "stick and string", even though there isn't a stick or string on the whole thing :D!
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Texas, the word primitive seems to give many fits, especially when fg is introduced.
I have my dictionary out, and this is part of the definition of primitive:
1. of or existing from the beginning or the earliest times or ages, ancient, orgiinal
2. chactaristic or imitatative of the earliest ages
3. not deritiavative, primary, basic.
If that means to you only pre-steel stone tools, fine. If that means only hand tools, no power tools, fine. If that means no electricity or heat in your shop, fine. If that means no modern string materials or wood finishes, okay too.
One of those guys over at the bowyer's den called this a viper pit. :) Sssssssss....mean old snakes, one and all. I hope they dont breath too much fg fibers as they curse this place. It would be a shame. :)
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T.P....should have stayed on the Bowyers Den with the FG.....You know the Rules and you still disregard them......like you said over there.............
Texas_Pete
Newbie Member (doesn't mean I'm a newbie bowyer)
I got slapped around over there for wanting to back a bow with FG and cover that with snakeskins.
Bow turned out great, but I wont tell them that
Texas Pete
Logged
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Shoot fiberglass and compounds but you shouldn't shoot them here. :) Jawge
Couldn't be siad any better.
This is why we like to put this dog down quick. What do you say we put this one to sleep, AGAIN. ;) Justin
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Shoot fiberglass and compounds but you shouldn't shoot them here. :) Jawge
Couldn't be siad any better.
This is why we like to put this dog down quick. What do you say we put this one to sleep, AGAIN. ;) Justin
Lock It...........
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Good idea. Toss out the key. And good night.
And Pete, you are so busted, lol.
Dane
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It all makes Sense guys. We all have definitions of whats primitive.
The problem being is when someone comes over and either tells you of a FG bow they used once or asks a question everyone seems to get hostile. Yup, thats a really good way to keep people around
And Kegan, you dont have to explain anything to me about the magazine. I'll say it again, I Was on board with Steve Hulsey when it started, and After several phone calls and questions from Steve after the magazine started, He started Wilderness Way magazine.
I could tell you from being in the group of the first writers and subscribers than none of those folks would have jumped on folks for asking a Q about FG, or using FG, as hard as you folks have in the recent past.
Seems like a self-righteous bunch here, but hey, we all have our quirks
Oh, and since Pappy didnt ask to see pics, I guess i shouldnt post any, so theyre taken down now
Folks what I'm getting at is dont be so quick to judge another just because they do something a little different than you
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Ya Know, after a little thought, and after your members wanting to lock this down so quick, I've finally decided that this isnt the place for me. And neither is Primitive Archer. I'll contact them and have my subscription canceled, knowing what kind of Hypocrites are in charge.
You all have a good one
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I don't known why this is so hard,well said Dana,wood or backed with natural material,I don't know or care what they say at the
bowyers den,if you agree with them stay there.If you don't welcome, but don't try and stir up stuff here we don't need or appreciate
it.
Pappy
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when i first found this site i started reading and asking questions about bows... and i think i was attempting to build a pecan board bow... with a pecan backing and i used f/g in between the bow and backing... and used an epoxy that is used for f/g marine text for f/g bondo... i was asking questions and posting pics...
i was emediatly told that f/g was a "no no" here on this site but i was not spoken to or "msg" any any rude or disrespectful manner.... in fact i was still welcomed and given alot of advice... i had alot of problems trying to finish that bow but even after it was done and pics posted i got some nice comments on it and i felt welcome and been here ever since...
for anyone to feel like the poeple here on this site are "A-holes" just becuase they have told a certain somebody that f/g is not something we discuse here is just plain silly... ::)
i mean i was told once and i figured it out... it makes perfect since... "primitive site" means primitive discusions....
i mean if your a mechanic or clasic car restore person and you mainly restore old chevy and camaros... and you happen to stumble accross a site that restores and rebuild mustangs... i mean you wouldnt want to go around talking a whole bunch about camaros... i mean even if you did and somebody advised you that this is a mustange site... you and if you get offended than thats something you should work out on your own... sound to me like a personal problem... by the way i like camaro's over a mustange...! lol...
anyways to me and my opinion... i think its a respect issue... we come here and convers about primitive archery... hince the name "Primitive Archery"
i personaly have a f/g bow and the kids on the youth group team have some F/G bows but we are trying to fix that problem... ;)
but i have been told by many people here that shooting a f/g bow is better than not shooting a bow at all... soo we do what we can... and try not to talk about it here... what i do try and talk about here is what is meant to talk about here and leave it at that... with respect and honor to the site!
anybody that cant do the same sounds like to me has some personal issues... and maybe should not be here to begain with... :o
just my own opinion... hope i didnt step on any toes...
if i did :P
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Thanks,Pete. And I didn't ask to see pictures. :) :)
Pappy
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Primitive might not be the right word but we do talk wood bows here
Ron
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Nicely Put Ron
There is still and always the "ANYTHING ELSE" category for the other Stuff
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Woodbows...have em and discuss them here and there
Backed bows....have em and discuss them here and there
Glass bows...have one or two and discuss them there but not here.....I participate in both boards and have sent many a guy here to get more information but I have always operated under the guiding principles at hand...discuss what you want WHERE appropriate. I sure wouldnt go to some four wheeler site and try to talk about my little mini cooper lol....I like that board over there..I LOVE the people on this site.
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What makes it Primitive is that all of the natural materials we use for bows and backings were available to Primitive man. Things like wood, grasses, plant fibre, and animal products like silk, rawhide and sinew just to name a few.
As for the A-hole. I'm the one they were calling an A-hole and I'm not bothered so I ask everyone else not to be.
I think you are right Mike, I will be locking this one.
Texas Pete, I want to see pictures of it. Start a thread in bows. Justin