Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Flintknapping => Topic started by: Blacktail on January 12, 2009, 10:52:20 pm
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this goes to people who have taken deer with stone...what kind of shape do you think works good for deer...i am thinking ones that are pointy might break before getting in to the goody spot....and if they are too wide i dont know if they will penetrate enough....so,what do you hunt with.john
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oh,i all want to ask...i have seen some points where they were notched from the sides and a notch on the base....what is the notching on the base for...like a cahokia...
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I am no expert but have taken a few species with stone points... my only suggestion would be get close, make sure the point is securely hafted and not too large for your setup...narrow is better, and if you shoot a turkey wait until it is facing away or at you.. their wings are like armor.. I had two points glance off of two different birds wing feathers at less than ten yards. with a sixty pound bow and six hundred grain arrows :( just my two cents worth.. hope it helps.. Hawk a/ho
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Altho it ant stone it is glass and the shape seemed to work just fine,like Hawk said get close and good shot placement is very important.No reason they won't do as good as steel if you follow those rules. :)
Pappy
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as for the shape.. look at the artifacts.. Primitive people killed game with stone for a long time.. i reckon they had it figured out :)
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If you can hit the vitals, the stone will kill it. I will shoot stone at anything I would shoot steel at.
Here are my obsidian hunting points. About 1" wide, 2 1/4" long.
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l253/justinsnyder_2006/archery/IMG_1721.jpg)
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I grew up on a ranch located half way between Cody, Wyoming and Yellowstone so had many years hunting with stone points. They were jasper, agate, and obsidian and to be honest were poorly crafted as my knapping skills were crude! The points were primarily made from spalls found in chipping grounds. Bear, moose, elk and mule deer were taken with stones and any shaft I could find. Until this fall while hunting black bear in Canada, I never had an animal get away. That was a poorly placed shot that caused that to happen and not because the stone did not do its job. I used a recurve that was not any better than my arrows so had to be very careful to take only close shots that would answer the promise to the animal not to take a bad shot. So my belief is that stones will do very well if you have good placement with a bow strong enough to drive the arrow home! Watcher
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No fair Watcher, you were around during the stone age ;D and have fifty years of knapping on the rest of us.. ;) the fact that tens of thousands of people hunted every day for thousands of years with wood and horn bows, stone and bone points and thrived, is a testament to their prowess with primitive weapons as well as their effectiveness on various game species. (I can't remember the old indian who told me this) i think his name starts with Wolf.. ;D ;D ;D how many of us on here have made a harvest with stone points? lets see some pics brothers, or at least some stories of the hunts.. Hawk a/ho
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Sounds good to me......
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When I first read the title of this thread, I thought it was going to be a poem or something (devoted to hunters who use stone arrowheads). Shucks.... :-\
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wow,you guy really did a good job on giving me info...i guess i need to start chipping them out...and get keenan to make me a bow ;D ;) ::)...john
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John, get Keenan to finish the Friendship Bow before he starts yours. ;)
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ohhhh eddie.o.k. keenan you are working the swing and graveyard shift allso. ;D...
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this is my favorite style. this point buried a 32" cane arrow up to the fletching and busted a rib on the way out. it's obsidian and only lost a very small chip from its tip to show for the effort.
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John I second what Eddie said ::) My new year resolution "no more projects till caught up on the others". ;)
Get to see the doc tomarrow to see if I can start tinkering in the shop ::) some more,,,,,,I mean again :-X
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I've been hunting with stone for a few years now. I have tried several different styles and types of stone. I have taken seven whitetail with them. I feel that the best design is a side notched like the Cahokia, made out of the toughest stone you can master. If the the head breaks off when you hit a bone, it will almost always break between the notches. With a corner notched, it won't leave much if any of the head left attached to the shaft. with a side notched, if it breaks off it will still have the base attached, and still cut if the arrow is still in the animal...Does that make sense
Here are two points used this year on deer. The side notched was used on a nice 8 point, and the corner notched was used on a doe... a compleate pass through.
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b327/selfbow1/838603-R1-01-2.jpg)
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thanks for posting...i really like the style of the white one..but,i think that here in oregon that might be looked at as a barded point and we cant use that here....DANG IT...so the side notch is my olny bet.thanks so much again john
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These are my favorite.
Bryan
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/BryanB/9-10-06183.jpg)
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well,well,well...look who comes rolling in.LOL...hey bryan good to here from you..i like the style of heads thanks for shareing...john
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(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll229/Cromsbowman/stonehuntingheads003.jpg)
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll229/Cromsbowman/stonehuntingheads004.jpg)
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll229/Cromsbowman/P1010428.jpg)
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Keenan! You do know your wife reads the posts you put on the computer!!! Carefull she may tie you up to keep you out of your workshop. Besides, I need someone to help me lift boulders of obsidian out of Glass Buttes. If you cant help who am I going to get? ;D ;D ;D
David T
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These are my favorite.
Bryan
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/BryanB/9-10-06183.jpg)
Bryan, I like those points. What are they called and whats the top one in the picture made out of?
Thanks
David T
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Boy, I wish I would have been introduced to this way of life when I was a kid! I've been playin around with the primitive arts for about 5 years now and I'm enjoyin it a lot. I took my first deer with completely primitive gear the day after Christmas. Not sure if I enjoyed the huntin or the makin better. I will say that the point I used was sharp and not patterned after any other style in particular, just created in my head. The shot itself was a little far back so I didn't hit any bone, but I got my deer
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Nice points bryan, is the top one burns green? David.. you know Keenan will use his bad back condition to get you and I to do all the digging ::) John.. just remember the tip needs to be at least 7/8" wide as well as not barbed, which you knew. glass buttes is coming up soon, good place to learn.