Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Primitive Skills => Topic started by: Justin Snyder on December 11, 2006, 01:54:06 am
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OK since Pat told on me I guess Ill let the cat out of the bag. LOL My idea was to start a circle to build some bows. Each participant would provide their own bow stave. He could then rough it out then pass it on to the next person in the circle. That person can tiller or recurve, shorten or whatever they wish, then pass it on. When it is your turn the next step is up to you. You can tiller, recurve, add overlays, horn tips, backing, finish the handle, apply a finish, anything except remove the work of others. When the bow is finished it would go back to the original owner of the stave, who owns the bow. The only thing the owner would really get to pick would be the wood and the final weight. The rest would be up to the circle. The owner could then decide if they want to send the bow to the participants to hunt with or just keep it. It is unlikely that you would do the same thing to more than one or two bows because they would be at different stages when they get to you. All the bows would be different, but would be made by the friends here on PA. Just a thought, wether good or bad I'm not sure. Justin
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Justin, Like I said to you, this is an excellant idea. Count me in! Pat
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Souds good to me.
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Justin--- Sounds like a good idea. I have a question? What if someone breaks a bow and is not the owner?I know -I know --you could come up with a thousand senarios. bob
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Bob, These are wood bows and breaks are inevitable and not much can be done about it. If we all do our best, that the best we can do. If one breaks then it is broken and a new one can be started. Pat
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would you prefer stones or steel. lol, im game
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I had another suggestion to build our own then send it around to hunt. At the end of the season we would draw to see who gets which bow. I realize some guys are nervous to mess something up. I am probably less of a bowyer than most of the guys on here. The fun of this project for me is that my friends here on PA each contributed to build the bow. Like Pat said over on the community bow post, you can do something as little as handle wrap or tip overlays or include a couple of arrows. Most guys are capable of building the bow so don't be scared.
As for breaking bows, I agree with Pat, If one gets broke we can start another. I am more likely to break my bow while hunting, so don't worry. Also guys, I don't own this idea so if you have any ideas or suggestion PLEASE tell us what you think. Thanks Justin
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I like it.Great Idea Justin,I'm in.My only suggestion is the owner of the stave include a weight and draw length to shoot for.That would also help if we draw to hunt with it.That way nobody would overdraw it.And Jamie,Maybe a circle of people that want only to use stone tools?Eddie
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Eddie that would be me and thimos. lol by the way shoot me an email with your address
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Eddie has a good idea-1 2nd it-whatever that means ? Draw weight and draw length for sure- im for it if y'all decide to do this. no jamie-that would be 3-you thimos and me.-bob
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I like it.Great Idea Justin,I'm in.My only suggestion is the owner of the stave include a weight and draw length to shoot for.That would also help if we draw to hunt with it.That way nobody would overdraw it.And Jamie,Maybe a circle of people that want only to use stone tools?Eddie
Thanks Eddie, I should have stated draw length and weight to be determined by the owner. That is what I meant by choosing weight. I should have been more clear. I think we need to be specific on things like that so we don't have any confusion. Does anyone have any other ideas or question we need to ion out before we jump in the deep end? Also do we want to start now or wait until after the holidays when things aren't so crazy. Justin
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I say to wait til after the holidays. Things are too crazy now with the holidays just around the corner and in most places hunting season is still on. Pat
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That is what I was thinking Pat. That would also give us time to select a stave to use. I would say nothing to snakey would be best. Do we keep it selfbows or do we allow someone to select wood and backing? (boo and osage for instance) Also I think the fairest way to do it is each guy is responsable for shipping the stave to the next person in line. And what about time to work on the bow before shipping it to the next guy so we get them all done in a timely manner. Justin
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This is a great Idea.I don't know about the stone,I appreciate anyone with that kind of tallant and skill, but I would be in on the steel,also don't know much about backing a bow with anything but rawhide or sinew so if we get a selfbow going like that I would love to be in on it.I hope all my short comings don't leave me out.
Pappy
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Pappy, If you want to be a part of this then youi will. I don't do many backed bows either. I'd say lets keep it self bows. I'm affraid that if we go with backed bows then it's gonna get complicated. I'd like to see it be the most simple self bows and see where we can go with it. We can always do another project when this one is done...or even as this one is going. Pat
ps. By "the most simple" I don't mean unfinishes crappy looking bows. I usually make my bows pretty but most are still simple self bows.
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Thanks, me also on the looks nice but selfbow.Maybe get it started after Christmas sounds good to me.Lots going on the rest of the month,I am sure for everyone.
Pappy
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Sounds like alot of fun. Count me in. Brian
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I would also like to do this. Hmm.... which stave to use though? lol
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When are we going to get started?
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Eddie, I was just thinking it was time. I'm having a hard time finding a stave that is appropriate. All I have is wet mulberry. :P Anybody up for a trade. Ill put a list together of participants and we can decide on an order to send them. Justin
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Better pencil me in on this Justin sounds like fun........Keenan
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OK the list. If anyone wants to change the order just let me know. I just put them down in the order you posted.
Pat B.
Hillbilly
Mullet
Pappy
Koan
Bornagainprimitive
Justin Snyder
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I have lots of wood...some good and some not-so-good. I'm up for whatever! Pat
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OK now the serious business.
1) Send a PM to the person before you on the list, include your name and address. They will be forwarding the bow to you when they finish their part.
2) Pick a stave of your choosing, a little character is OK. (no snakey or extremely difficult staves please) Determine the draw weight and length you would like.
3) Send your stave to the person after you. Include a paper with the draw length and weight. Make it a decent sized paper. I would like each person to tell what they did and sign it. When the bow is finished you will have a record (birth certificate) of your bow signed by our friends at PA who worked on it. This will also help them to see the vision you had for the bow. I think it would also be helpfull if you PM the person after you when you send something out. This will let them know something is on the way. We would like this to happen in a timely manner so complete and send on as fast as you "reasonably" can.
Now the fun part. When you get the project you get to decide on the bow design. Rough it out, If you wish you can recurve the tips, shorten the bow (keeping draw length in mind of course) whatever you wish. Then forward to the next person on the list. You can do whatever you feel is appropriate, except removing work from the others. I also think it would be fun to take pictures of the project before you pass it on. When we are finished we will do a post for each bow and you can include your pictures and tell what you did on the bow.
If you have any other suggestions now is the time to be heard. Justin
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OK Hillbilly, I guess I should send you wood that you didn't send to me. I'll pick through my heap and see what I can come up with.
...so, everyone here will pick a stave and send it on to the name below his. Is that right? Pat
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Yes that is correct. Send to the person under you, and since I'm at the bottom Ill send to Pat at the top. Make sure you include draw length and draw weight. Justin
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OK justin I found it,so let me get this straight I send a stave to Koan.I'm pretty thick headed just want to make sure I do this wright.It will be next week before I can get mine out.I am leaving town .Hope this don't mess things up,but we have talked about this for months and it all came together real quick.I still have a knife to get out this week and will be gone for one so I will get it out asap.
Pappy
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How far are we going on each step.When I get the stave do I just debark,[it's going to be Osage]
lay it out and send it on or can I cut it out and floor tiller or get a string on it? Don't want to do to much but want to do my share.
Pappy
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Pat, you want to meet somewhere 'stead of spending twenty bucks to mail a log twenty miles?
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Pappy, yes Koan. I think you can get to floor tiller. That will basically let the first person decide on the design of the bow. I think you guys need to decide how much work to do. Do we want each bow to make it all the way around the circle (the 8th person finishing it before it comes to you), or do we finish within a couple of people (save on shipping)? Are you interested in finishing the bows immediately then have the remaining guys work on arrows? Lets hear your opinions. Justin
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It sure doesn't matter to me,I hate finish and grips so I will probably just pass it own except
the ones I have to do.I can do it but it ant my favorite part.
Pappy
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Yea Steve, We will work something out. I can maybe bring to campas or we can meet on the Parkway, like before. I don't think my war bow will be done in time or I could just shoot the stave across ther mountain. Do you have a preferance for bow type or wood. Pat
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Pat, whatever you want. I'm equally adept at breaking, splintering, folding, spindling, and mutilating any type of wood lol.
Justin, I kind of like the idea of everyone doing a bit of work on the bow, I'd like to end up with one that everybody had a hand on, if possible- kinda seems like the whole point of the thing to me.
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I agree with Hillbilly, LOL "I'm equally adept at breaking, splintering, folding, spindling, and mutilating any type of wood lol" Hey I think I can do this part to; Take a perfectly good stave and add "character flaws" LOL Just kidding all though I have done that more than I care to addmitt..
I think Hillbilly is right, if each person dose "something" It will give more character and personallity to the bows. I would be proud to carry a bow that was built by the bowyers of PA.
Also part of the fun will be the anticipaition of seeing how the bow comes back trasnformed. I think this also might challenge a few of us to work wood that we haven't done befor,,,"Gulp" Keenan
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Keenan, I just hope I don't "transform" any of 'em to kindling lol. So who wanted a twenty-pounder for rabbit hunting? ;D
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LOL Hey Hillbilly we all need ta hav a wabbit bow wif our cowections. Heck right now I'm still a restlin with the forty pounders The sturnum seems to be doing ok just got some muscle attreffy going on. Keenan
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Pappy, did you catch that. Probably just lay it out and remove a bunch of the extra wood, then pass it on. We want to have enough work for each person to work on it. There are 9 of us so 8 guys will work on each bow, then send it to the owner. I noticed over on the community bow that they had tiller and sanding before tip overlays. Nothing wrong with that but I do mine after floor tiller so I can cut my nocks and string it. I thought about laying out the steps, to give us an idea what each guy should do so we have enough work to make it through 8 people. Each bow could be different though so I didn't know how to address that without dictating style. Any ideas????? Justin
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Hey guys sorry but I gotta back out... I have lots of stuff going on right now and idk if I can fit this in somehow without holding up the whole circle.
Matt
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Make that 8 of us.
Koan, I guess that means you are sending yours to Bornagainprimitive (Kenneth)
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Hey guys sorry but I gotta back out... I have lots of stuff going on right now and idk if I can fit this in somehow without holding up the whole circle.
Matt
Matt, sorry to hear that, I know how busy life gets and I understand completely. Maybe next time you will have time to do it. Justin
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Well I think everybody here has seen each others bow's and know what everybody has to offer.After all it's not like we are going to work on just one bow.I think everybody will know when to put it down and pass it along ;)Towards the end we might have to pass them twice ;D
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Well.... Im feelin a little insecure here, being the newbe and all, but Im ready to give it a go. Might have to put ya'll on speed dial to get thru it :D
Brian
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Matt, Sorry you are backing out but I understand. We will do this again so keep allert.
Brian. Just go with the flow, take a deep breath and do it!
Justin, Keenan is Bornagainprimitive. Kenneth is Little John...and where is Kenneth. Not like him to be so quiet for so long.
I gotta get on the stick! I ain't forgot you guys...Steve and Justin. Pat
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Koan I was planing on sending a Osage but if you had rather I will send a Hickory,Iron wood so you won't need to chase a ring.Don't matter to me Just let me know.It will be next week before I get it out anyway.As soon as I get back.justin some kind of list of things to do or not do would be good.Sometimes I get carried away and go to far.
Pappy
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hey guys i just got down to reading my emails after the weekend. im gonna have to back out also. got too many irons in the fire right now. trying to finish up about 4 dozen footings and i just tore the kitchen apart and if my wife sees me working on bows and not the kitchen im dead. lol. peace
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Ah Man,,,,,Thats a to bad you both will be missed but definately understand. However I did get a chuckel out of the mental image of Jamie's wife chasing him through the kitchen with a stone ax in her hand, and the two younsters following close behind yelling "run dady run" LOL Keenan
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Matt,jamie sorry to hear that but like the others I understand.So justin I guess we are down to 7.
Pappy
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Sorry to here u guys have to back out. Pappy, go ahead and send the wood that YOU want, my only experience is with osage and I have found that chasing a ring is the easy part. ;D. Sooo... Im sendin a stave to Keenan then?
Brian
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Hey Pat I know that Kenneth is Little John, and Keenan is bornagainprimitive. That is not the first time I have stuck my foot in my mouth and I'm sure it wont be the last. The worst part is I have big feet an I think I stepped in dog crap besides. You are right though, we haven't heard from Kenneth for a while. I was also wondering about J.D.
Koan, you don't need to worry about being the newby. I can count the selfbows I have made on one hand. Justin
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Fellows, I'm still in but I'm slow! Please be patient. I'm sorry that Matt and Jamie won't be joining us but guys, we promise we will share. Pat
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Koan I am slow also,I got the knife off yesterday but it will be after I get back before I get the stave off.I guess we are not in that big a hurry anyway.To much going on.
Pappy
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I'm kind of glad you guys are busy. I'm slow too, but I'm slow building bows. This will allow me a little more time with Keenan's bow without holding up the process. ;D Seriously guys, we aren't in a hurry. This project is about fun and friendship not speed and how fast we can turn out a bow. Justin
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Thanks justin that makes me feel better.
Pappy
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Good lay out on the plans Justin, If we get in to much of a rush you don't enjoy the journey. I think this will challenge all of us to work different types of wood and each bow will have it's own unique style and theme developing helping us all to learn something new.I'm excited to see how each persons skills are imparted to the bow to bring on the end result. On top of that when we are out and about at shoots or events I can proudly share the workvof some friends. Keenan
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Sounds good to me too, Im in the process of closin on my house and movin....Brian
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Koan I got the stave packed up yesterday,still ant sure I will get it out this week,but I am getting
closer.If not it will go out when I return early Feb.It's a good looking stave 70 in Long and I attached a sign up sheet with Draw,weight and right hand.Do what ever you like with it.I ant picky when it comes to bows as long as you don't put ant wheels on it. :)
Pappy
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Guys, Please be patient with me also. I'm changing real estate offices as of Feb, ! and with other regular stuff I'm running low on time. I have the wood for Justin's bow(hickory) and am still thinking about what for Steve(Hillbilly) and trying to get some arrow work done for the Community bow. The community bow is #1 priotity but I will get the others done...in time. Pat
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Yeah, I've been really tied up with a thousand things lately, both work and home/family related, with little free time. Kinda glad everyone else is in the same boat, because this is a great idea and I definitely want to participate, but it'll be first of the month at least before I can get my stave shipped-I've still got some staves to prep and ship to Badger before I can work on this one. Things hopefully will slow down a bit in the next couple weeks.
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Well ,sounds like we are all on the same page.I just started the new job and it's a lot different being the boss.And I need to look like I'm trieing to finish painting the house.Pappy I might get my stave mailed this weekend.I'm trieing to get some points together for Chris Cade.
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Thats fine mullet,I will be leaving on the hog hut Sunday morning and won't be back till Friday night but Joanie will be here to bring it in.I won't get mine sent out untill I get back.was going to town today and do it but got tied up so it will have to wait.
Pappy
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Good luck on the hunt,and bring home some bacon ;)
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I just got in here, and I know its too late to help this time, but I hope this is done again. The neateast thing would be seeing the results of others work. If its done again I'd love to be a part.
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Hey noboby has really gotten started yet.
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If you are serious we can get you in. Lots of the staves haven't been mailed out yet so we can adjust. Justin
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I am serious. How does this work? I have a few staves laid up. I should probably ask how much character can the stave have? If you want a really clean one I might have to splice some billets.
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Chris, The stave you send out will eventually come back to you as a bow. I personally don't have a problem with character bows but some might be uncomfortable working on one that belongs to someone else. Pat
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Chris, The stave you send out will eventually come back to you as a bow. I personally don't have a problem with character bows but some might be uncomfortable working on one that belongs to someone else. Pat
You might feel uncomfortable with me working on your character bow. :o They are wood bows and we all know that perfect wood is rare. I don't know if I could tiller a serious character bow. As long as you aren't scared to let someone else work on it, feel free to use it. There is no reason why you cant splice a couple of billets if you want to do that either. Justin
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I don't have a problem with character bows either and looking at Pappy's bows ,I don't think he does either.I started to send him one that would have a hole in the limb above the handle.I'd say jump on in,the more the merrier.
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Sounds great. I'm in. Now what?
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Send me 3 staves and Justin will get you registered. ;)see simple
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Sounds a lot like "send all your money to my bank in the Caymans and we'll double it" Is there an updated list? Who do I send my stave to ahrisnd who do I get one from.... Chris
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Eddie I thought the three stave payment was for guys from NC. He is from Tx. and those guys were supposed to line up a javelina hunt for everyone so we can all get together and hunt with the friendship bows when we are finished. I cant believe you forgot the Texas clause. ;D We will put you in between Brian (Koan) and Keenan (Bornagainprimitive). Brian if you have sent yours out let me know and we can do something different. Justin
Pat B.
Hillbilly
Mullet
Pappy
Koan
Agbowyer
Bornagainprimitive
Justin Snyder
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Well javalina might be tough. There pretty far south and west of here. Would hogs do? Saw one of those this morning while duck hunting. I was using a shotgun....sorry. I sent a message to you keenan.
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Justin, no problem with the switchup, keenan hadnt pm me his adress yet. Got a pristene 7' sage stave. By the way what is the best way to pack and ship? Who is the best to ship thru, UPS, USPC....... Brian
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;D Ohya, welcome Agbowyer
Brian
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Well javalina might be tough. There pretty far south and west of here. Would hogs do? Saw one of those this morning while duck hunting. I was using a shotgun....sorry. I sent a message to you keenan.
Chris I guess we will just let you off the hook on the javelina hunt. ;) Actually you need to send your name and address to Brian (koan) because he will be the one sending staves/bows to you when he is finished with them and it is your turn.
Brian I have never had a problem with staves I have recieved, USPS or FedEx. I have never mailed one out though. Justin
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Brian, I've always had good luck with USPS. If it is over 68" it will cost more. Cut it to the ultimate bow length or slightly longer and it will fare better. Pat
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I've got Justin's hickory stave cut to shape and the limbs reduced to about 3/4" thick. She's ready for some Hillbilly handiwork! And from me to Steve(Hillbilly) I have a white oak stave. It's well cured and was cut out of my front yard 4 years ago. Do a good job Hillbilly! We can now make arrangements to pass them on to you.
Dang! Am I getting cought up??? I had a busy day today and it was all productive and it all had to do with building bows. Someone pinch me. I think I'm dreamin'! Pat
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Not fair Pat. My day wasn't quite as good. I was out in the shop cutting up some yew and the motor on my bandsaw quit. Its an older metal saw that I converted and has a srong moter and gearbox. I think it might be one of the external capacitors has just gone out. At least that what I am hoping. Worst case senario I'll just have to through on another motor that I have.
On a good note I was in the shop playing with wood. My yew stave to Justin is ready as well, and just got the email from Chris, so looks like we are on a roll. Keenan
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Keenan, Don't you hate it when the technology we have come to depend on lets us down. At least when you work with stone tools and other natural materials the disappointments aren't as bad(I'm guessing here!). I guess its all relative. Pat
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Brian, just sent you a PM. You too Keenan. Man this might be tougher than I thought. I didn't even know sage brush grew that high ;D Can't wait to get started. Pat, I didn't get near as productive, but I just finished cleaning a load of ducks and guns. Wasn't too bad a day.
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Oh come on now, we have sage brush at least 6 feet tall here and everything is bigger in Texas, I saw the commercial. Justin
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I have a nice vine maple stave that I've thought about using for this, if y'all ain't skeered of it ;D It has a bit of gnarlyness to it, but oughta make a good bow. I'll try to post a pic this afternoon to see if y'all want to fool with it.
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Man Im slow, just got the sage brush thing ;D- got relatives in Kansas, I can get sagebrush if thats what ya want Agb....
Brian
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Hillbilly,Vine Maple,Send it on.I just started working one down last week with knots and 6" of natural recurve.I've already made one,snakey and knotty as all get out.Pappy I'll get mine wrapped with shrink wrap tonight.
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Brian, if you can get six foot sagebrush, I'm willing to try it. Draw weight and length will probably be pretty low. Justin, everything is bigger ix Tx.....where it matters..... Chris
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OK, heres the delinquent vine maple. It's knotty, dog-legged, and has about 3 or 4 inches of natural reflex. Thought y'all might get a kick out of messing with it, but it'll probably require some torture by heat. I guess Eddie and Pappy will be the ones doing most of the dirty work in the early formative stages, so tell me what you think. It should be green-broke and have most of the ee-vill cast out of it by the time it gets on down the line. I also have straight, well-behaved wood if you would prefer that.
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I've never worked vine maple, but that doesn't look too bad.
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Naww send it on.Uh you going to scrape the rest of the cambium off.That way I can be sure it's Vine Maple.
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Another sneak preview...of Justin's hickory bow...stave! Getting the heat treatment. If you will notice under the stove I have Community Bow arrows curing. And of course, Sister in one of her favorite places. Pat
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That is one smart pup. That is one of my favorite places too. Justin
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Justin, I got the stone points from Cowboy yesterday. Do you want me to haft them on the shafts or send them along to you with the shafts. Don't matter to me. Actually, I need to get to work on the shafts and get them done. Pat
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Moderator,wrong post.
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RHO RHO! ;D
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Hi guys, don't know how I missed this post but with the forum being so full lately I barely have time to lurk thru the bows a bit, my wife got to complaining that all I did was play with the computer and bows and had no time for her so klindof slowed down for a while. took me forever just to vote for bow of the month. Super thing you have going on here and I will be looking in with enthusiam to see how these bows turn out, if you could all get together for a hunt with these bows would be even icing on the cake. Maybe if there is a round two I will be able to get in. Kenneth
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Pat, I gotta admit you scared me a little with that post. I thought uh oh, I gotta make some primitive arrows :-[ I don't know how to knap. Will someday, but for now I use dowells and zwickey. I cut some yaupon awhile back, but never could get them straight. Made a dowling jig with my router table using an article in PA. Got some usable arrows, but had a devil of a time getting the jig lined up to cut the same on both sides. I hope to get to one of the gatherings some day to get some help on arrows.
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Brian I got it sent off today ,coming by mail should be there in a couple of days.Let me know when you get it.
Pappy
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Cool Pappy, Chris, ill be sendin mine to ya in next couple days-let ya know. Finally got done movin so I can get back to important stuff. lol.....Brian
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Glad you got your move done. I'm ready, found my draw knife under a pile of shavings yesterday. Knew there was some reason I needed to clean the shop.
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Ha guys don't yall think we need some kind of list of what each person should do.I got Mullet's stave today and don't know if I should just get it to a growth ring,or lay it out and floor tiller or tiller it to what he wants.There are several in this so we need to be sure there is something for all to do.I have a bad habit of going to far.What do yall think?Do we know for sure who all is in I know several got out.I think I send it to Koan next.Let's talk about it and see what everyone thinks about how much to do and how many of us there are.
Pappy
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I got a stave picked out for Chris and debarked and roughed out, I'm wandering the same thing. Justin your package will go out tommarrow.
Also don't forget to do up a (birthcertificate) (for your bow) for people to sign. I used some card stock and made one up on the computer it was alot of fun. I gave some history about the stave's origin and how it came to be a stave and left some lines for people to sign and write what they did.
If you look and any birth cert. It will give you some ideas. But here again this is just a record for you and your bow so don't feel pressured. I thought it was fun, and would be honered to have everyones signitures or stamp, logo what ever on there. Keenan
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UMMM,Keenan? My stave is headed your way .Did you dry out some skins? ::)
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I think the 2nd person to get the stave should cut it to shape and reduce it to a bow blank of a specific type. The bow's design goes to the 2nd in line. The tiller is the 3rd and so on. That's what I did with Justin's stave before I gave it to Steve. My stave I gave to Steve was a raw, white oak stave.
keenan, The birth certificate is a good idea. Justin just e-mailed me about the same thing. I'll have to make one up and get it to Steve. Pat
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Mullet I have your stave.
Pappy
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Eddie, mine should go out in a couple days. My understanding is that the first person should rough it out, second person tiller, and so on? I figured I would get Pat's stave roughed out, and tiller Justin's. Eddie will rough mine out and tiller Pat's, and Pappy will rough Eddie's out and tiller mine, etc.?
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Ya'll makin my head hurt. lol. The stave Im sendin to Chris already has bark and sapwood removed( only peice I had cured enuff), so I might be putting a kink in the plans already....Brian
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Aw we will get it figured out about the time we get finished.I plan on getting the one I got to a growth ring laid out ,floor tillered and it needs some serious straightening I was going to do that also and then pass it on.There should be plenty for the others from there.
Pappy
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Pappy, got your stave yesterday. Looks like a really great peice a wood. I'll start on it as soon as I can get all the tape off.lol.
Brian
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Pappy or Brian, What is the draw weight? I may need to adjust the arrows . Pat
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Uh oh,Wrong one again!
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Glad someone is watching out for me. Thanks Eddie. Pat
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WOW! Pappy, that stave got almost 20 rings to da inch! Are ya testin the new guy?lol. Finally got to a solid ring on the back,(tested my patience abit tho). Got her laid out, gonna rough her out and hopefully floor tiller Saturday. ;D
Brian
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Gonna try to get some work done on Pat and Justin's today, still gotta run to the PO and send my stave out to Eddie. It's 15 degrees here right now, it should be quite invigorating out in the unheated shop.
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Hey Brian, you sent yours yet? Just checking. Don't want it sittin in the post office unclaimed or anything.... Chris
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No chris, sorry, its should go out today.....been trying to find a box, container, etc...that would last shipping to everyone. uspc dont carry the triangle boxes no more
Brian
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Brian, A piece of thin walled PVC pipe works well if there is not to much reflex in the stave. I've used 3" and 4" for shipping bows. Glue a cap on one end and just tape the cap on the other end. Pat
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Be looking for it Hillbilly.Don't send any of that cold weather with it.Been out this morning fishing in the kayak,a nice balmy 75 dgrs.
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I just wrap it in shrink wrap,tape it and put an address on it.
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Mullet I got it to a growth ring,laid out cut out and straightened Sat.It need a little more tweeking but I should have it ready to go to the next guy mid week.I will post some pictures of where it began and where it is now tomorrow when I get to work.It had a few checks in it ,got most of them out .Looks like it will make a fine bow.
Pappy
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Fantastic Pappy,I had a stave with great 1/2" growth rings but didn't know at the time if anybody wanted to play with one with a hole in the limb.I wasn't sure about the stave you have,it was an Ebay rip-off stave from 3 years ago.Looking forward to getting Hillbilly's.
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Eddie, I've got Pat's stave that I'm working on roughing out today, I'll just send them both together in a couple days when I get Pat's finished laying out, save making two shipments. That'll give you one to lay out and one to tiller.
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Steve, That will work.
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Mullet Here are some pictures where I am so far.It needs a little more tweeking .I will do that today and get it sent on to Koan sometime this week.It has about 2 in. of backset now but needs a little more propel la taken out and line the handle up a little more.I think 1 more heating will do it.It was pretty bad so most times it takes more than one straightening.
Pappy
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The last pic. is after it came off the form the first time.I think 1 more will do it.More later.
Pappy
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Is anybody here :).I got my part of Mullet's done today and will show some pictures in the morning.I will be sending to Brian
Tues. or wend.It has a couple of longitudinal cracks in it but I filled them with super glue and clamped them for a while,they should be fine since the don't run off,they are right in the middle.Someone had taken the bark off but not the sap wood so I don't know if that did it or it wasn't fully seasoned and when I put the heat to it ,it done it.If I take the bark off I always take sap wood also and seal the back if there is any question.Either way it will be fine.
Pappy
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Wow Pappy you work miracles.I'm the guilty one who took the bark off and left the sapwood.Never had that problem with the high humidity here.I had a problem with bugs in the bark of some mulberry I had so I debarked everything in the shop and sprayed with bug spray.
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There are people here Pappy, we are just to embarrassed to say anything because you are working so hard and we are just watching. ::) The stave is looking good. Justin
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Pappy, you do work wonders. Mind if I send all my staves to you for straightnen?
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I knew yall were here.Here is the pictures of it now.I will send it on in a day or so.Soon as I can get to town.justin to we have a list of who all is in this and in what order? I know there was one but I think some dropped out.
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Here is the list Pappy.
Pat B.
Hillbilly
Mullet
Pappy
Koan
Agbowyer
Bornagainprimitive
Justin Snyder
I guess I cant really call that a stave anymore. It looks like a bow now. You inspired me, so I went out and roughed out a mulberry stave last night after the kids went to bed. I need the practice with my new draw knife before Keenan's stave gets here and I go to hacking away. :o Justin
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Hey guys, I'm putting together a hog hunt for sometime next month on the shooting and hunting thread. Just checking to see if any of you were interested. I know the bows won't be ready, but thought I'd ask. i could probably set something else up for the circle later if you want. Just can't do it during hunting season.... Chris
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Thanks Chris but I just got back.I would love to do it next year if the offer is still good,about 1
a year is all I can do.Thanks justin ,I keep getting mixed up on the 2 deals that are going on.I wrote it down this time. :)
Pappy
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I'd love to sometime, just don't have the time or green paper right now.
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Ya, what Hillbilly said. Would love to go, but I gotta recoup from my move$$$$.....Brian
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Chris(agb.), finally got the stave in the mail today. Should see it in 3 to 4 days....Brian
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I'll be waiting. Sorry you guys can't come. I definitely understand $$$. If it wasn't here I couldn't go... Chris
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Pappy, that looks like a nice pool table under the bow, should we bring the cue sticks in May?..lol.....Brian
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Chris,Thanks for the invite.It's too far for me to drive for hogs.We have too many around here.I will make the drive for a javelina though.
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Might try somethin later for javelina. They are a pretty good ways from here. Gotta go further south and west. Would be a good idea for another time. Maybe if things are tough, I'll load everybody up and bring em to you lol... Chris
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Brian ,Mullet's is on the way.Sent it out this evening.
Pappy
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Chris,Chris Cade and myself and some others are planning on a road trip to southwest Texas.Maybe June or July .Chris has a pay per hunt place for pigs ,javelina and exotics.He wants to hunt a Black Buck.
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I'd like to do one of those hunts sometime. Especially the exotics. Most of those ranches also have a lot of arrowheads to be found if you know what to look for. What ranch? I know a couple places out there. My brother in law was a rancher in Marathon. Bring plenty of water. It'll be hot.
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It's Curtis Keller, The company is called 7th age bowhunting.
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I guess I'll pass on this one also. A little far for me on short notice. Eddie, I have checked out that ranch also. I'm going to get there one of these days. Justin
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I don't know that one. Justin we 're gonna shoot for the last weekend in March if that makes a difference.
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Okay Pappy, I'll be watchin for it.....Brian
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Justin,I guess when we get some wood we can talk about some bows :-\
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Justin,I guess when we get some wood we can talk about some bows :-\
Im better at talking about bows than making them anyway. Justin
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Eddie, goin' out in the next day or so, as soon as I can get five minutes to run by the PO, been plum covered up this week.
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Know the feeling Bud,It's not leaving here ton a jet plane.
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Brian, got your stave. Sure is pretty. I don't think I've ever seen osage with no knots. You probably need to send me 5 more just like it to have for a back up. I'll look closer this evening, but I don't think there's a better ring unless you go down more than I would if it were mine. I probably won't have time to do much until Sunday.... Chris
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Here is the stave that I roughed out for Chris. It is a short 58" character yew stave with some real tight rings. Has several pin knots, nothing big.just enough to give some good character.Had a slight deflex to the stave so I put a slight reflex toward the tips. It's still fairly stout but the limbs are starting to flex some. Keenan
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Great Chris, not sure I got the back perfect, just kept goin till I got rid of the carpenter ants,( they suck) and then sealed it....Brian
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Keenan, I love the look of that. Like I said I haven't had any dealings with yew so I'm very excited.
Brian, I looked a little closer lat night. I'm gonna take it down another couple of rings to get a ring with a little more depth. Should get to it tomorrow... Chris
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Brian I started roughing out the stave tonight. I was going to take it down 3 rings, but, but there's a pretty deep check on the belly in the root end. I'll see how deep it goes tomorrow. It runs all the way fron the tip I laid out to near the fades. If I can I'll take pictures also... Chris
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Well I didn't get to do anything today. I had to take my son to the ER. He has pnuemonia. He's doing well now so depending on circumstances I will post some pics tomorrow if I go in to work. I'd like to get some suggestions. If I were making the bow for myself, I would just continue to see where the check goes. Then use super glue and sinew as appropriate. Once I get the pics ya'll can see if you have a different idea... Chris
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Sorry to hear bout your son Chris, just do what ya got to do on the stave. I got more if ya need it.....Brian
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Thanks Brian he's doing a little better today. I will just work the stave to see where it goes... Chris
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Brian I finally got your stave down to all good wood. here's a few pics... You think I need to work the handle a little more?
Its already drawn blood on a trophy 6X6 carpenter ant... ;D
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I would probably have left a couple more rings on it ;D ;D
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I'm thinking about a couple of strands of sinew.
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Back it with mouse sinew and cover it with a fence lizard skin ;D
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Dude... your killing me...lol....I think.
Brian
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I guess buffalo horn tips are probably out of the question now. :o Justin
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Brian, don't worry. I think I overshot the draw weight, but I can still shorten it a little. I might even recurve the tips for you. I'll ask Ryano how long to heat the wood before bending.
Justin I wouldn't rule out the buffalo tips, but you'll need a magnifying glass to put em on.... Chris
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Ok Chris, just for that im gonna bend 90's in Pappy's bow tips and remove just enuff wood that they bend(have fun tillering) before I send it on to ya. Ohya im also gonna cut it into so you can have fun makin a two peice....lol
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On a serious note, I got Pappy's bow floor tillered, straitened, and its on the reflex form now. I will try to post some pics soon before I send it on to Chris(Agbowyer).
Brian
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Bring it on Brian. I'll do as good a job on Pappy's as I have on yours ;)...... OK I give, I got the check out and there's still plenty of wood. Its still the best stave I've ever worked on. The natural reflex is great. I will probably reflex the tips a little tomorrow.... Chris
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Here is Keenan's stave floor tillered and ready to send to Pat. I guess I cant really call it floor tillered since I did it with a long string on the tree. :-\ Now the hard part, getting it to the post office.
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You like how I took the board off the tree and put a light up so it would cast a shadow on the siding? The kinky stave makes a nice clean arc shadow so I can see the bend. ;D Justin
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Looking sweet Justin, You did real good, I have Chris's just about ready for you as well. I'll try to get it out to you this weekend. Are we having fun yet? Keenan
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You aren't gonna trust me with that pretty piece of yew, are ya? Pat
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LOL, Your just the man for the job Pat, You know there is alot of superstitions about yew trees, Good and bad but I 'm betting that if some of that beard rubs on that bow it might just give it some extra mojo. Beside you'd have to screw up alot more than one yew stave to catch up to me on that list. Keenan
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I sent mullets stave out last Tuesday to Koan and he said he hadn't got it yet,I hope I haven't messed up and sent it to the wrong person or worse yet got lost in the mail.If anyone gets it let me know.I will check on it today.I think I had it where it would have to be signed for and I know I insured it.Koan what is your address ,once again?I know I didn't sent it to the same place I sent the knife for the committee bow.
Pappy
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Joanie tracked it down, it's at the post office.I sent it where it had to be signed for and
no one was there and I guess they didn't leave him anything to let him know they had came.Wooo what a relief.Do yall think they need to be sent that way I thought it would be but now I am not so sure,What do yall think?I also insured it.
Pappy
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I prefer they not have to be signed for. I'm never at home when they deliver. I haven't had any problems.
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If it goes out USPS I have to go get it anyway. They leave me a note in the mailbox that says it was to long to fit in the jeep and I need to come in and get it. UPS left Keenans on the doorstep so it was there when I got home on Tuesday. Justin
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Just checkin in. Got Pappys bow all reflexed( can only do 1/2 at a time) Ill take some pics and send it out probably Monday. Workin lots of O.T., hard to get to post office in time, it closes at 4.
Brian
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Haven't seen any wood yet. :'(
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Eddie, don't cry, I'm heading to the PO tomorrow :). Finally got a couple free hours this afternoon and finished roughing out Pat's stave. I'll wrap 'er up with mine and chunk it in the mail in the morning.
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justin I guess ups in different in other places,first thing here it is higher and they are so picky on how it is packed.I hardly ever get it right the first time to suit them.Plus the usp office is much closer for me.I I'll do what ever yall like but I perfer the usp office.It will all work out.
Pappy
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Pappy, I have never shipped one before. I believe UPS is more expensive here too. I'm just saying the PO usually leaves a note, and I drive to the post office. Its only 2.5 miles so its no big deal. Keenan is the first one to send me on by UPS and it was in a tube. I have got them by USPS with a shipping label stuck to the wood and shipped. Justin
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You can ship staves through regular mail cheaper.They don't like it and sometimes will try to tell you they wont take it. They also ad an extra ten dollars if it's not in cardboard. The other draw back is it can take 10 days to 6 weeks to get there with regular mail service.With UPS it was around 6 dollars more but insured to $100.00 and trackable and quarentied to be there in 3 days. All that wasn't nessesary but I like the peace of mind. Keenan
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I have shipped 7 in the last month and was only 15.00 to ship Insure and track from the post office
and it has never took over 3 days.The draw back is most times they won't bring because it won't fit in there cars at least for the rule rt.s.I sent 2 Hickory stave's to Okla.and only cost 22.00 and he had them in 3 days.The key on the price is it has to be no more than 120 in. total that is length
plus around the center of the package.If it is more than that it is 10.00 more.Not trying to start trouble just trying to figure out what is best seem like some like one way and some like another.Imagine that. :)
Pappy
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Thanks for the info Pappy, I'm always looking to save on the shipping if I can. I have to also state that when I said 10-days to 6 weeks for regular mail, that is based on what I was told,not by experinece. After hearing of your good success with the postal service, I may try that next, especially because it's going to the same address. that way I can get some real true time dillivery comparisons. Keenan
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I have had real good luck with them so far,hope you ant disappointed.
Pappy
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I send everything USPS. I get the best service from them. For things of value, the postal person told me to send priority mail. Fewer hands touch it when sent priotity and when dealing with any shippers, the fewer hands that touch it, the better.
I have heard horror stories about shipping UPS and they can always find a way to blame you for their screw ups. Pat
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Hey Pappy, got Mullets stave. They tried to tell me they delivered it successfully on Saturday...lol...good thing I could see it leaning in the corner of the Post Office... really.
Brian
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Hey guy's I do the same as Pappy.I've never had a problem with the postal service.I've taken so much wood in to be shipped that they don't even bother to measure it anymore.I just wrap the staves in shrink wrap plastic to cut down on splinters and stick a shipping label on it.It's usually there in 3 days,because I ship it Priorty mail.It's cheaper and faster.I hate getting stuff I have to sign for.I get home from work after the Post Office closes and had alot of stuff sent back after 3 days when I couldn't get there.I've never had anybody steal a log or box of rocks yet.
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Got Pappys bow ready to ship on to Chris. Sorry no pics, camera quit! I'll send it out Sat. or Mon....Brian
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Wow! Just found this thread. You guys are doing amaizing stuff! Saw Agbowyers post for the hunt we are going on end of March for hogs. Any of you comming on the hog hunt?
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Brian's stave is roughed out and reflexed to 2 1/2". I should be able to mail it to Keenan first of the week. I'll try to post some pics Monday.
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OK Pat, I just got back from the Post Office. Keenan's stave is on the way. Justin
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Chris, Im headin to the P.O. right now with Pappys stave, should get it in 3 to 4 days....Brian
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Good Justin. I need something to do. Keenan, Keep your fingers crossed. Pat
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I'm taking advantage of the downtime between bows to try to catch up with my own projects. In a couple of days I hope to post some pics of what I have been doing. These bows are my priority though. Justin
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What a blast, It's really cool knowing that all these awesome bowyers that I've come to know and respect through this site are jointly helping make a bow that I get to keep and shoot. On top of that I get to poor my heart into helping biuld one for each of the other participants. Each bow offering a different phase of consrtuction and it's own unique characteristics. Each bow also taking on some of the character imparted by the hands that crafted it. Justin this is fun, Thank you.
Pat, have fun, you have much more talent then you give yourself credit for....I've seen your work
Justin, I should be sending Chris's bow out tommarrow. Keenan
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Keenan, I sent you a PM. I need your email address... Chris
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Keenan, I'm actually looking forward to it. I've only worked with a few pieces of yew so I anticipate the opportunity. Pat
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Mullet,just wondering how hillbilly's stave was coming.I have finished the time consuming part of my snake bow so I have some time now to do another.No hurry ,just wondering.Koan did you have some questions on Mullet's stave?How is it looking?It was real crooked and may need a little more
straighting I wasn't sure how much until it was braced :)
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Pappy, I just sent it to him a few days ago along with Pat's stave that I roughed out. I know, I know, I'm slow. :)
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No problem,I was just checking,Making sure it wasn't at the post office and I didn't know about it.
Pappy
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Keenan, I just emailed the Birth Certificate to you. I should send Brian's stave in the next day or two. Been swamped at work >:(
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OOPS, hey Pat when you get Keenans stave and the birth certificate isn't in there don't be surprised, I FORGOT AGAIN. ??? Ill mail it to you today. Justin
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Justin, Were the 2 birth certificates you sent for just you and me. I guess everyone else has one? Pat
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Justin, Were the 2 birth certificates you sent for just you and me. I guess everyone else has one? Pat
Yes, everybody was going to make their own so the first guy in line after them could sign it. Justin
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Hey Pappy,I just got the wood yesterday.I just came in from working on Pat's bow,almost done with the tiller.I've been studying hillbilly's like a diamond cutter.I put it in my climate controlled room, (Bow and gun room with airconditioner going),last night.Well I took it out this afternoon and one tip had checked all the way trough for about 2".No biggy ,just added to the challenge of laying it out.I think it's about to be laid out as a snaky bow.I'm going to try to do it with out allot of steaming to take advantage of the knots,adds more character.Pappy I probally won't get allot done on it this weekend.The Fl. state 3-D shoot is this Fri,Sat, Sun. Also there wasn't any Birth certificates with these staves and I forgot to send one with mine.
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Here is a copy of the Birth cert that I made up. I decided to have some fun with it and took the general format of a real birth cert and imprevised..... Might give ya some ideas. Keenan
Certificate of Birth
Certificate Number KLH70x7
1. Name: Circle of Bowyers C.O.B.
2. Sex: Male
3. Birth Date: 1900s
4. Mothers birthpalce; Cascade Mountain Range
5. Fathers Name: Taxus Brevifolia Nut
6. Fathers Birth Place Casecade Mountain Range next to Mother Tree
Childhood spent growing and developing strong growth rings for my future calling of becoming a deadly weapon in
the sport of archery. Like thousands befor me, to follow the footsteps of a former way of life I have been carefully selected
and set aside to season untill mature enough to fullfill my duties of service. I will strive to flex my limbs to shoot
straight, that I may give substance and life for another. The names listed below are of the skilled bowyers that brought me
to life and handcrafted my personality and contributed to my training to become a bow. Not just any bow, but a bow
from the Circle of Bowyers.
Name: Training Given:
1.__________________________ _________________________________
2.__________________________ _________________________________
3.__________________________ _________________________________
4.__________________________ _________________________________
5.__________________________ _________________________________
6.__________________________ _________________________________
7.__________________________ _________________________________
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For some reason the lines for signing appear to have moved,,lol Keena
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The birth certificate I created for Pat and I is pretty simple. I printed them on parchment paper to give them a little nicer look. Ill attach a picture of it. If anybody wants I can print off some more and mail them out, just get me the address you want it sent to. Justin
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Keenan, I like both of those a lot better than mine. I guess I don't have that much imagination, or not enough time to really put some thought into it. You could use one of those.
Brian, do you want me to use one of those for you too?
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Chris, I already printed out the one you emailed and it went out today, I thought what you sent looked fine and I printed it on cardstock so it will hold up better.
Justin, heads up Chris's bow is on the way. Keenan
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I got Keenan's bow today(and a mulberry stave from Justin). This is gonna be fun! She's a yew flat bow stave with a Texas peep site in the top limb(I guess that'll be the top limb).
I'll have to fill out Justin's and my Birth Certificate and send them on to Hillbilly. Pat
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Texas peep !!! I like that Pat. I'm heading to Texas towards the end of this month for My parents 50th wedding aniversary. Maybe some of them Texans can show me how to use one,,,,lol I'll be about 3-4 hurs south of where OJAM is being held on the same weekend. My wife caught me looking at the map and informed me that if if I runnoff and don't visit realitives for the few days that we are there I will be disowned. She is probably right. Besides it would be hard to bring home the bows and staves on the plane. LOL
So I guess my bubble has burst. Keenan
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I made a copy of the birth certificate and I will send it to Koan.I sent a note with mine but the
certificate is much better.Thanks Justin.
Pappy
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Pappy, havent had time to work on Mullits stave yet, I'll let ya know. Chris I didnt even think about the birth cert., got confused with comm. bow I think. I really like what you guys came up with. Havent had much free time lately, and now my radiator went out on my truck, fun, fun. I got to fix that this weekend before I get to play with bows.
Brian
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Brian, you sent me one on card stock which I think is fine. I just didn't know if you wanted one of thos others or not. Hey, Wanna buy a truck :D
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Keenan, I'm sending Brian's stave tomorrow. I'll post some pics from work. I'm also sending some deer rawhide. The rings are quite thin, and I think it may need backing, If you don't think it needs it, your welcome to the rawhide
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Thanks Chris, I'll be watching for it. Keenan
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I did a little work on Keenan's yew stave yesterday. Justin had kicked the tips up a bit so I put her on one of my forms, added a little olive oil(see it on the tips) and heat to get the tips a bit more pronounced. I have the bow bending about 4" now. The knot(peep site) in the top limb gave me a little truoble but I think I have it coming along nicely now. Lucy Brown is standing guard as I take the last pic of the full bow. Pat
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Wow Pat that is looking nice. I'm drooling allready. It's neat to see the progression of the bow.Can't wait to get some more of your guy's staves to play with.
Chris's stave is similar to that yew of mine, but is shorter. I think it's going to have to be more of a bend through the handle bow, It's a tight grained 58 inch yew stave with some neat little character bumps and a slight deflex. So I reflexed the limbs slightly. I roughed it our fairly wide for more of a west coast style bow if thats the way others deside to take it.Ther is a slight twist in the limbs that I thought about correcting but I figured I better stop and not go to far for the first stage so others could play with it as well. Keenan
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Actually Pat, the tips were like that when I got it. All I did was whittle away a little extra wood and the saw marks from Keenan cutting it out. I tried to get her bending a little, then sent her along. Justin
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Justin, She was bending a bit when I got her. Now shes bending about 4".
Now a question for both of you. The back grain is violated. Is it OK or should I remove that ring? I can also back with rawhide if needed.
Keenan, That looks like a nice candidate. I'm loving working with this yew. Except for being softer than I'm used to, it is great bow wood. Pat
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Your call Pat, Yew will stand some violation if it's not to severe and depending where it is. The rings are generally so thin that is can sometimes be impossible to stay perfect. If it's not real bad in a critical area I would think it would be fine.
If you feel like backing her, My feelings would be go for it. With the yew just be sure to excercise alot when she first starts bending, and remember the dust can be lethal so watch the sanding. Keenan
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Thanks Keenan. I've been exercising as I go. I have learned that this makes a differance with any bow wood. I will study the ring violations but will probably back with rawhide. Later, Pat
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Brian, I got Pappy's stave this morning. Keenan I shipped Brian's stave to you. You should get it Monday or Tuesday. When you go to ship it you might want to cut the box down. With the reflex it comes to 86". I didn't even think about it cause Brian hadn't been charged. I coulda cut 12" off. Its too much hassle to get back into the PO so I just sent it on. As soon as my wife emails me the pics I'll post them. She turned 50 today so she's not in a good mood ???
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Pat, I don't know much about Yew so I didn't touch the back. Keenan had removed the bark and most of the cambium so I figured he had it to where it would hold together. I wasn't going to mess with a good thing. Justin
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Here's Brian's baby in the first stages of birth.... The first pics are of the belly check I was worried about.
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lookin good Chris. ;D...Did I do ok on Pappys stave? Couldnt get it to take any reflex where that knot is by the fade. Wasnt sure how far to go removing wood, probably still a little stiff for floor tillered. Left it long(66") so you would have more options on tiller style, hope its alright.
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No problem brian. After looking at Pappys project bow, I plan to tiller a hinge into both sides of this one ;). I just had a second to look at it this mornin. It looks good. If I have time I may post a couple of pics for you, or at least some before and after pics before I send it on. I got yours bending about 6" on floor... Chris
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Thanks Chris, if you could post a couple that would be great, had tech. difficulties on this end when I tried, camera is junk!- Wasnt sure where to stop on tiller, the couple a bows Ive done didnt have stoppin points, they were logs then they shot arrows...lol
Brian
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Boy thats looking good guys. I forget how yeller that wood is. Don't get much of it around here. and it always a treat when I do.
Good Idea Chris: (built in hinges) I never thought of do that befor. lol Keenan
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I know it's here somewhere but I can't find it! Keenan, What is your draw length and what draw weight range? I think I'm getting close. I'm doing a little more adjusting the tips with heat but I shot her today and she's a shooter. Boy do I like yew!..and you and you! Pat
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hey Pat thanks, My draw length is 25" Yes I know ,,,,,I have short arms,lol And I generally shoot for around 55-60 but whatever it comes in at is fine. I'm still working my way back up on the poundage. My sturnum is healed fine but still getting the muscle built back up. My ambush bow is still a little hard to hit full draw with. Looking forward to seeing it. Keenan
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Keenan,
She will probably come out a bit light but here she is so far... Pat
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Hey Pat,Slow down a little ;)I don't need 3 bows piling up here.I almost have yours tillered and I'll start chopping Steve's out tomorrow.I just got back from the shoot.Tom and Chris came down looking for sunshine but it rained all Fri night and then we shot 15 targets Sat in the rain.Really crappy scores but fun.I passed my contractors test Fri so I have time now.I'll get a move on it.
Chris are those Merriam's on your wall?They look light to be Rio's.
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Thats lookin purty good Pat....Brian
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Pat, that is impressive, not everybody can take a bow I have messed up and turn it into something so beautiful.
Mullet, they are just watching out for you. Last week you were crying because you had nothing to work on. Don't have that problem anymore do you. ;D
Justin
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Justin,Nooooope. :-\
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Wow Pat that is lookin awesome. I knew you were the man for the job. Thats some good tillering for a limb with a hole through it. If it's a little light thats ok. That will help me shootin till I get back in shape. LOL hope I do as good on that yeller wood comin my way. Keenan
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Pat that's lookin good. Mullet, Those are Rios. I hope to hunt Meriam's some day. The one on the left was my oldest boys first turkey 11 1/2" beard. After he shot it he called the other one in for me (Only 9 1/2"). which was my first bow turkey. GREAT weekend. Keenan, I worked on Pappy's bow today should probably get it tillered tomorrow. Its floor tillered, but needs more bend near the handle.
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The limb with the hole in it was a bear to bend. It is still a bit too thick in some places but I don't want to loose any more weight. I may pike each limb tip about 1". At your short draw length 63 1/2" t/t shouldn't be too short. That will be about 61 1/2" n/n. I left the tips thick and have reduced the width. I'll let whoever is doing the overlays for the tips do the final shaping. Same with the handle.
I shot her about 25 or 30 times this afternoon and left her braced for a couple of hours afterwards. She has taken a little set but not much. She shoots nice with a little thump. When the tips are reduced it should smooth out nicely. I guess she goes to Steve Parker now. Pat
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...Oh, and I did remove the violated ring on the back except for a few islands that shouldn't effect anything. Pat
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Sounds Great Pat. Most my bows are short. Between 58-62 inchers usually.
Chris sounds great let me know when you send it out. Keenan
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Pappy,I've been roughing in Hillbilly's bow this afternoon.I've got it laid out trieing to follow around the knots.The lower limb has a pretty good twist.I'll try to boil it out tomorrow when I get home from work.Or since you are tillering it do you want to?I don't want to take too much wood off to thin the limb and not leave you enough to play with the knots.I have the handle lined up ,that with the twist and I know Steve is left handed,that the string will fall right at the edge of the handle.I'm going to hang onto Pat's and not double up on you.I want to work on the tiller a little more.I have never used oak except for cooking. ;)
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Keenan, it'll be another day or two before I send out Pappy's bow. I have it tillered to neat weight, but there's a stubborn spot near the fade on one limb. It lost a lot of the reflex, but still has about an inch. That snakey stave I was working on for you probably has too many issues. It will make a bow, but with a tremendous amount of work. I'll walk the creek tomorrow if I can to see what I can find.
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Sounds good Chris, thanks Keenan
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I almost forgot. I made the string for Pappy's bow, and in true Aggie fashion I put the serving on upside down. Long day :D On the bright side, I did shoot a huge hog yesterday. I'll post a pic later. That thing was longer than I am tall.
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Mullet I have never worked with oak either except for cooking also ,but if you like send it on.Do you have weight and length he wants.Also dose anyone know if heat works on oak,I can steam it or boil if I need to but except on Osage I don't steam much and then only on the first attempt to straighten.Someone that works on oak a lot chime in here. :)
Pappy
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Eddie- I'm right handed, you must have me confused with one of the other crazy Parkers lol. Pappy, my draw length is 26"-27", weight whatever you can get out of it. I usually shoot for 50-60 lbs. on most of mine, a few pounds up or down is no problem. Pat draws 26", too I believe.
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OK Hillbilly I will remember that.
Pappy
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Yep! I draw 26" and prefer weight aroung 50#-55# but I'm not picky.
Pappy, I think oak would react to heat but I've never had to heat oato streighten it. Pat
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Thanks Pat,I will see what it looks like when I get it,and if I need some help I'll holler.
Pappy
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Steve,sorry about that.I meant the string would fall on the left side of the handle.Pat glad you're not picky.With the narrow width it didn't leave much to work with.I've already bent the tips.Boiling didn't work to good ,but heat gun and Crisco did.That's got it in the high 40's but it doesn't like this humidity.If it was mine I'd back it.Maybe a job for somebody down the line or a good stay in a heat box might help.
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Keenan, I got Chris's stave today. Ill do my best, but I'm open to ideas. 50-55#@ 27-28" 58" end to end. I'm used to making higher weight bows, but I usually have 62" or more to work with.
Mullet, When the bow gets to me no hot box will be necessary. It was 75* today and relative humidity of 14%.
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Holy crap! you must live in a desert.
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Hey Justin, I know it's short but good tight rings and slight deflex will help as well. It's almost the same as the yew ambush bow that I made a year ago. It's by far my fastest and most acurate and shooter. I layed out for a slight bend through the handle design to help.
Also Chris said he liked shorter bows and can short draw if nessesary. My 58 D/R yew has been shot at 27" by several freinds and has stood the test well.
Just do your best and if she won't take it I'll shoot you a longer one in the mail pronto. Remember this is for fun and to push us outside of our comfort zone a little to learn different woods and techniques.
Here is a profile of the one that I made like it. With this profile the limbs move very little to be braced (easier bracing) but they are stout enough limbs to give early draw weight without alot of excess stress.Also at that point the limb has not flexed very much at braced. This was a theroy that I tryed to circumvent the long periods of being braced and it worked and really is one of the best bows I've made. It can stay braced all day and lose almost nothing in poundage.
I read all the stuff about preloading the limb and inducing reflex to gain early draw weight and I know this to hold true. However it can also be done with stouter short limbs if you keep the mass down and give an R/D design. I know there are some that are going to balk at my thoughts and statements. But I have the working proof. It's now my favorite bow.
Here is a pic of the profile. Also feel free to shoot me any questions if you need some help. I think you can pull it off. Keenan
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Thanks Keenan, that is the kind of info I was looking for. I know it can be done, and I think I can manage it. I like to do things like this to myself when I can only break my own. I just wanted to get a little input so that this one works out good, not just trial and error. I still think ELB when I think yew, so I guess you just needed to tell me it was OK to build a R/D flatbow. ;D Justin
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Justin, go for about 1 5/8 - 1 3/4 at the fades and about 1 1/2 at mid limb, tapering from there to narrow tips.
Slight crowned top ( like it is) and alost flat belly (Just slight curve) I'll try to do a cut cross cut profile for you tomarrow.
Also be sure to excercise alot when you first start bending it. A little at a time. I blew up a nice yew stave once because I got in a hurry and didn't work the limbs very much. Keenan
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Don't worry Justin. if it doesn't work out, keenan can just send me the bow in the picture ;D Here's some pics of pappys bow as it came from Brian.
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Now here' a couple from last night. It has lost most of the reflex. Its 64" tip to tip and pulls 56# at 25 1/2". Keenan he wants 55# at 26". This should allow for a little drop from final sanding. I also left the tips just a hair over 26 for some leeway for whoever does overlays. They should be thinned some more at that point.... Chris
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Lastly here's a pic from my scouting trip Sunday afternoon..
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Wow Chris, now thats a HOG !! But I think that was a huntin trip not a scouting trip.. The bow looks good thanks for the info. Congratulations on a fine hog. Nice bow as well. Keenan
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I was scouting...I just happened to have my bow with me, and I wanted a closer look ;)
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Ok! I thought you said the ones under 150 lbs tasted the best? ???
Look at the tusks on that thing! :o
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Lookin good Chris. That knot at the fade give ya any trouble on Pappys bow?
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Brian, I got that area bending, but I'm still not completely happy with it. I look one time and it looks fine. The next it looks stiff. I'm going to put some arrows through it to see how it does. Then I'll send it on to Keenan. Keenan you'll have to work on the handle. Its different than what I'm used to so I just worked down some, but I didn't know how far to go with it.
Dtiller, they do taste better under 150. The big ones taste okay, you just chew longer. 40 to 60# melt in your mouth.
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God, Chris the belly laughs you cause are starting to hurt! ;D
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Wow Chris what an awsome harvest. Man oh Man, I cant nget over the size of that hog. What a scouting trip, just can;t say enough. Congratulations. Kenneth
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Wow Pat, really nice job on that yew, really graceful bending wood. Kenneth
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Thanks Kenneth, it was definitely one of my more productive scouting trips. hought he was a bull coming down the trail. It was almost dark, and he got past me before I realized it was a hog. Saw him one other timr from about 150 yards.
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That is one big pig. I guess it could be a new weight loss program. By the time you get done chewing a chop, you have burned more calories than you get. I guess I would have shot him if I had to. Justin
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PAPPY, this bow sizzles. I don't know how it'll wind up, but I like it. Its still a little heavy for your draw, but I think it'll lighten up with the finish. By the way, you owe me two arrows. I was only fifteen yards away, but it dead centered two nocks. (always shoot better when I'm not trying). Keenan, if I can get to thPO tomorrow, I'll send it off.
Justin, thanks... I felt I had to. Beside, makes good sausage.... lots of sausage.
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Man that's a nice hog,and the bow looks great also.Can't wait to see it up close and personal.
I think I have one on the way to work on from Mullet,I am getting anxious.
Pappy
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I piked 1 1/2" off of each limb on Keenan's yew bow so now she is 62 1/2"t/t, and
53#@24", 60#@26". She seems quite a bit quicker now and will be even more so when the tips are reduced. So Steve, are you ready for her? I'll let you know when I send her out or you let me know when you want her. Who is doing the finish work on Keenan's bow? Pat
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Yee Haw !! Awesome Pat, Sounds perfect for my short stubby arms..lol.. I would have to use my feet to get it past 26" draw so I think we are safe there. 3 1/2 lbs. per inch is right about where my ambush bow hits on the FD chart as well. Thanks, Keenan
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My planets must be aligned! Pat
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Can you guys let me know when you do this again? I would love to get in on this in the future.
David T.
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David, we will try to remember to let you know when we do it again. My memory is spectacular, kind of like a computer, I just wish I knew which buttons to push to get the information I need. ;D I usually remember about 2 weeks after I need to. I would like to do it again about the same time next year, so keep your eyes open. Justin
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You got it! Maybe by then I will be halfwat descent at making bows. Now where did I put those camms? ;D
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David this started a little slow this year with the Community bow going on ,but now has taken off.
You for sure need to be in next time,it's been fun just wondering and waiting for what you get next.I am still waiting on my next project from Mullet,I think it is PatB's bow.I think he is sending it out this weekend.
Pappy
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Pat, whenever is good with me. Maybe I'll get some free time in the next week to actually work on 'em.
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Steve, What are you scheduled to do on Keenan's bow. Tips and handle? Pat
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Okay Keenan, Pappy's bow is on the way. You should get it Monday or Tuesday. Brian, I'm ready for the next one... Chris
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This is getting fun, one bow right after another.The anticipation of what is coming next is great. I picked up Brian's bow yesturday and Chris did a real fine job roughing it out to floor tiller. I got the dilivery slip three days ago but did't get a chance to pick it up till yesturday. I'll keep an eye out for the next one Chris. Keenan
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Whoever is doing the finish work on Keenan's yew bow, I need to talk to you. Please e-mail me. :-X Pat
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Pat, I'm not sure exactly what the next step is, looks like there's four other people after me before it arrives back to Keenan. I'll do something to it and send it on.
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Hillbilly, I already talked to Pat. I get it last so I'll take care of the problem ::) Pat are you sure that'll fix it. i never tried it before?
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Chris, We can only hope! Steve, I'll try to get it out early next week. Pat
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Man I gotta work faster, Pat isn't going to have anything to do. :o Justin
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Wow, you guys are kickin butt on these bows. I havent even got a chance to work on Mullets yet :( And im workin all weekend again, kinda hard to turn down that time and a half( easy money) ;D....Brian
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Know the feeling, Brian. I've been covered up to the eyeballs with work the last couple weeks, on top of a bad cold and pulling a muscle in my back. I did get Pat's roughed out and Justin's floor tillered, hopefully I'll get to do some more this weekend.
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Pappy,I'll be mailing Pat's and Hillbilly's in the morning.
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Man, I better get goin else Pappy'll get me buried in bow wood.....Brian
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Hey Brian, no rush. Just let me know when you send it off so I know to look for it.
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Pappy,Just got back from the Post Office.The woods garanteed to be at your house by 3 PM Monday or I get my money back.
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Cool I will be looking for it.
Pappy
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I got it todayaround 2.I have a few questions,First for PatB.This is laid out at 60 in. n-n It has been shot and the tiller looks good the only problem is no weight.I put it on the tillering board today and it is 25@21.I can't remember your draw and will look back at my notes but I am thinking you said 26 so it might go 40 if we are lucky.I thought about cutting it down to 56 or 58 and rawhide backing it or had you rather have sinew,I don't know if sinew will bring the weight up enough anyway without cutting it down.I need some advice.OK now on the vine maple,it has a lot of propeller,dose this stuff react good to heat or dose it need to be steamed?I have it laid out 1 3/4 to mid limb and then tapered to the tips to 1/2.I already have it worked down to that and will have some pictures in the morning.Is this kind of what you were wanting.Who dose this one belong to?
Pappy
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Pappy, the evil vine maple is mine. Never worked VM, so I don't know about the heat situation, Gordon or Milo would know. As far as what you make of it, that's up to y'all, I'm not picky.
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Man that was quick.OK I will check back in tomorrow and see if I can get a few ideas.I think it will be fine what ever I do,PatB's is the one I am concerned about the most.I will start thinning the limbs on yours tomorrow evening,got it laid out and the side profile done today.Man it is going to have some character in one limb for sure. :)
Pappy
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Pat, I got your package. I sure hope your right. I never seen it done before.....
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I got Pappy's bow today. Looking real fine. Chris did a real good job on the tiller. He said it's a real fast shooter. I would think so It took everything I had just to string it. Feels fairly heavy but thats ok and gives a little room for the final tiller and sand in. Should be a dandy bow Pappy. Keenan
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Pappy, either way will be fine with me. Unless the sinew can be really well sealed, our summer time humidity will have it back down in weight in no time. I guess I should have picked a better stave for myself but that's what I got.
Steve, I've got Keenan's bow packed up and it will go out tomorrow. Keenan, I hope you weren't too attached to the cardboard tube your bow came in. I got some thin walled PVC to ship it in. Less weight, less bulky and now you have a travel case for your bow.
Chris, When you get the bow, we will go over what I was thinking. Pat
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Sounds good Pat. I may need a little coaching. I love learning new things.... Chris
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Yea, Me too! ;D Pat
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Pat I was thinking last night[scary right]I have a nice piece of Hickory backing I bought several years back and put up and haven't used ,would that work on a bend in the handle bow it is a little over
1/8 thick.I thought about gluing it up and then rawhide backing it,don't mind doing it at all if yall think it will work and pick it up enough to save it.It was 25@21 and is 60 in n-n.If I backed it I cut cut it down a little also.Let me know what yall think.Also dose V Maple work wit heat good
the Stave of Hillbilly's needs a little work.
Pappy
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Here are a few pictures of Pat's bow and Hillbilly's.Pats is the one on the left.There are some of my lay out on Hillbilly's and the twist in the limb,see what yall think and will it come out with heat.Never worked with V Maple so someone chime in. :)
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A couple more.
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The handle area is flat on the ground in the last pic. so you can see the twist,not quite 90 but almost.
Pappy
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Pappy, A hickory backing would be fine with me but I hate for you to have to use your backing strip. Is the back flat enough to back it with wood?
Sorry but I can't help with the VM. I've never worked with it. Pat
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I think it is Pat, and I don't mind at all using it.I have had it 6/7 years and haven't used it yet.It has been kept in a nice dry place so it should be fine.Do I need to thin it down a little or will that be OK.I haven't measured it but I think it is a little over 1/8.It was sold to me to put directly on a back but you know how that goes.Is TB3 OK for gluing or do I need something else.I have resorsnall
[bad spelling I know ]but yall know what I mean.As you can tell I haven't done much backing but would love to give it a try,with a little help. :)
Pappy
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Pappy, TBIII glue will be fine. It works very well on whitewoods. Does your backing strip have tool marks in it. You will have to remove them and smooth up the glueing surface. I usually cut backing strips to 3/16" then reduce to about 1/8" removing the saw marks. Once it is glued down, you can reduce it more from the back, by sanding or scraping, if it seems like it is too strong for the belly. I have never backed a white oak bow with hickory...or any other wood backing for that matter.
You will probably have to support the backing strip well so it doesn't cup when the moisture from the glue sinks in. A full length pressure strip under the clamps(and over the backing strip) will do the trick. Pat
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Yeah, the back on Pat's is nice'n'flat- should be pretty easy to stick a backing on there. Pappy, I didn't realize that VM stave had that much twist in it. Hard to tell 'til you get it roughed out I guess. Seems like Milo told me once that VM responded well to heat.
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Thanks to both of yall,I'll get started.I was almost sure heat would work.And I will clamp it down
with a board or something to support it Pat.I'll let you know how it is going in a few days.
Pappy
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I have got to get back to work on Keenans. I got it deflexed, but I'm letting some of the moisture leave before I use dry heat to relfex and try to get out some of the twist. You are just going to have to be patient Pat. ;D Justin
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Justin, That one is Chris's bow. Pats already worked on mine. LOL I know confusing isn't it. I should have Brian's bow headed your way by this weekend. Are ya winning the battle with that one Justin??? Boy this yeller stuff sure is some nice wood. LOL Keenan
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Sorry about not getting back to you Pappy.My DSL went out for a few days.Pappy, VM bends really good with heat.The twist and knots is the reason I left more than usual wood on it so you had plenty to work with tillering.I started to switch hillbilly's VM stave out with a straight one I had and tell him I was the miracle man.One thing about VM isIt is very hard and really difficult to get file and sandpaper marks out.
Pappy I think the hickory is a better way to go with Pat's bow or I could send you some bamboo.I quit tillering it at 21",I was afraid there would be nothing left at 27"
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Keenan, did you get the license plate from that Mac truck. Yea, I'm getting there. How long do you think I should wait after steaming, before I should use dry heat on it? It has been 80* and our humidity is so low I imagine it is dry already. Justin
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I put Keenan's bow in the mail to Hillbilly today. What do I get next? Pat
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Pat I think the next one you get is Chris's bow. It's another yew but shorter and a little character. Justin is shaping into a D/R. How about that, all you suthern bows are getting to play with the white woods and us northern folk are turning yeller.
Justin you should be fine by now for the dry heat and that should be out farther on the limbs anyway so I say go for it. Keenan
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I got the back cleaned up last night and worked down to where it would bend a little and then put it on the form and started the straighting process.It may take a time or 2.It wasn't cool so I didn't take it off.I will get it off the form today and see what I have.You are right about the tool marks
they don't come out as easy as some woods but I am getting there.It kind of chips and flakes
until you get use to it.I should have it down by the time I finish.I plan on backing Pat's with
the hickory as soon as I figure what to do about the turned up tips.I want to be sure it will lay
flat in the bends.I clamped it to it yesterday and I think it will pull down OK.I just want to be sure before I glue.It should add the weight we want.By the way Pat what are we looking for.Seem like I remember low 50"@27.Is that about right. :)
Pappy
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Pappy, Anywhere between 45# and 55# @26"..or whereever it comes out. You can pre bend the hickory backing a little before glue-up. I've done that on a few. Pat
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I had thought about that last night,just wasn't sureThanks,Now I am and will go ahead with it.
I think this will work out good if I can make sure the glue up holds.Wonder how much it will change the tiller,It looks pretty good right now at 21 in.I was thinking it shouldn't change it much,hope
not ,so I can keep the weight.We will see. :)
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Pappy,I think that it will work.The only thing I would do different is maybe thin the hickory lam where the curves are I put in.I wish I hadn't of done it now.But I thought I could pick up some more weight doing it.Sorry to put the extra work on ya'.
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Thats OK mullet,I hope this works,got it glued up last night.I first pre bent the hickory
in the curves and then glued it up.Hope it holds,looked like it glued up good to me,but what do I know,this is my first lam bow.Also got some pictures of Hillbilly's It is looking good,took 2 bending on the form but I got the propeller out and the string lined up. :)
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1 more of Hillbilly's.Start tillering in a day or so,Got it in the house to dry for a day or 2.It's raining here and kind of damp.
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Lookin' good, Pappy.
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Looking real good Pappy.Started raining here today too.I Got caught in it 2 miles from the truck scouting turkeys.Season opens Sat. morning.I live for this time of year. ;D
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It opens here in a couple of weeks.I plan to tiller Hillbilly's this weekend at night while the shoot we are having isn't going on.I think it will work out fine.It is going to have some real character.Here are some pictures of Pat's after I took all the clamps off except the ones in the bend.Looks good to me.I put it up and going to let it dry another day before I flex it. :)
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Tell me what yall think.
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By the way,what am I supposed to do to Pat's.I guess I will re tiller and what else.I mean if it had come to me at weight and was ready for the next set what would have that been? :-\
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Pat, I don't want to shirk my duties of tillering, but I'm thinking I might send Chris's on to you to tiller. I know it was my turn to do the tillering, but I don't want to do too much to the bow myself. I got it bending, and R/D. And I removed a bunch of propeller twist from it. I'm starting to feel like I'm being greedy and not sharing with you. ;D Ill post some pics tonight when I get home. Justin
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Looks good to me Pappy. I knew you could do it!
Justin. That's fine with me. If I screw it up can I blame it on you? ;D I would like to see pics. Pat
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Pappy looks good to me too. Justin, can't wait for the pics. This is fun just seeing the progression for the bows..... Chris
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OK Chris I have kept you in suspense long enough. ;) I have got to do some more tweeking today. Some of the propeller twist came back while I was reflexing and the tips don't line up. >:( Ill work on it some more when I get home from taking the kids to soccer. Justin
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Jjustin, that's looking good. Have fun at he soccer game. My youngest son's track is going on, and baseball is fixing to start up so I know the feeling. I can't wait to lay may hands on that yew. I've been hearing so much about yew all my life, and now I'll have a bow from it. Thanks again for the stave Keenan.... :D
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Chris, I think I get this one next. I'll try not to screw up what the others have accomplished on your bow. I'm enjoying working on yew. It is a wonderful bow wood...and with the character this bow has, it ought to be a blast to tiller. Pat
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Pat, I've seen your work. I'm not worried. That r/d ought to make for a nice smooth draw.
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Good job on the R/D profile Justin, Your welcome Chris I hope it turns out, it's definately got some character. Justin and Pat are probably going to be cussin me for that one.
Pat it will be a challenge but if it can be done I think you can handle it. If for some reason it dosen't Let me know, I have one thats straighter and cleaner that I'll send instantly, just dosen't have much character. Good luck on her Keenan
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Keenan, I'm looking forward to tillering this one. Pat
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Well Pat your off the hook. I started tillering it today and it was tracking funny because I hadn't got enough of the twist out. I decided to tweak it with only heating a small section of the limb so I wouldn't loose all of the reflex again. I knew I was pushing it a little hard with the minimum amount of heat, and it blew.
Sorry Chris, I know it was just starting to look like a bow. Keenan and I have already made arrangements for your new stave, so no worries. Justin
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Man O Man It is like losing a good friend and I never laid a hand on it or evel laid eyes on her till now. Sorry Justin, I know how you feel. Kenneth
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Thanks Kenneth. I have only been making bows for a couple of years, but I have broken my share. I have learned not to get to depressed, but it still sucks. I could always quit pushing myself so hard, but then I wouldn't learn as much. I guess that is part of being an adrenalin junkie. You are always pushing the envelope. Justin
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:'( Pat
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Better you than me. ;D Sorry about this, Justin but if you ain't breakin' them, you ain't makin' them!!! William Vanderhey said, in "The Secrets of the Omaha Bow" there are 2 kinds of bowyers, those that have broken bows and those that have not yet broken bows. Save that bow because you may find another limb somewhere to match the good one. Pat
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Pat, I saw your bow today...looking good. The hickory strip Pappy glued on added plenty of weight back. The bow had a good tiller before he added the hickory, just lite in weight. Should be a easy tiller as long as the strip holds. He used TBIII... ;)
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Better you than me. ;D Pat
Yea, that is exactly what I was thinking. I was afraid it wasn't going to track right, so I couldn't send it to you. It wouldn't be very nice of me to pass along my screw up. ;) Justin
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Hey Chris, Your going to come out really fine on this one. Not quite as much character but a real beauty of a stave. Don't woory Pat I think you'll have fun with this one. Keenan
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Just got back from hunting.Man that really blows ,no pun intended, about the yew.Kinda like my weekend.
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Justin, I got a good bit done on yours today. It's been rainy and humid here for the last few days, not too good for hickory. Finally got some time to work on it today when it wasn't damp and icky. It's bending good on the long string, should be able to finish tillering in a couple more sessions. I'll try to get some pics up in the next few days.
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Here are some pics of Chris's new stave. It's tight grained yew with one natural reflexed tip. This one 66" tip to tip so a little more wood to work with for Chris's draw Justin. And no twist to worry about. And Pat still get to play with some more yew. Keenan
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Oh well Justin, the good thing about breaking one is you get to start another. Keenan, that a beautiful piece of wood. I been out in the shop all day cleaning up a little and trying to get ready for the guy Pappy put me in contact with from Houston. He's coming up next week to work on a bow for his Grandson (I think). He's never done any bow work so it should be fun. I love bringing new people in to my number one pastime.
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Ooo! thats purty. Justin, are you :o gonna bend that straight limb tip up? If so, go easy! ;D
Now that he has mailed my goodie box out I can say that. ::) Pat
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Well I got Pats to brace Friday evening and it is looking good so far.I was going to finish tillering it Sat. or Sunday but with the shoot going on I was spread to thin ,so I will get back on it this week.and then on to the Vine Maple.It is straight ,just needs to be thinned a little more and get it floor tillered.Maybe this week also.I hope,don't want to hold up the process up just got a little behind. :)
Pappy
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Ooo! thats purty. Justin, are you :o gonna bend that straight limb tip up? If so, go easy! ;D
Now that he has mailed my goodie box out I can say that. ::) Pat
OUCH!! Yes Pat I will, but I'm going to do all the fun stuff to this one before I send it to you. In fact maybe Ill do a whole bunch then mail it strait to Hillbilly. ;D Did you forget I can delete your post now. :-* I marked it as eddited so you wouldn't forget. ;D
Keenan, Does it still need to be R/D? That is pretty long now. Justin
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Give a man a little power and he thinks he can take over the world. ;D
JUstin, I'm sure you will do a fantastic job! :-* Pat
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Thats your call Justin, Heck I was thinking maybe we should do something ratical like flex the other tip down,,,LOL We could call it the new (automatic release) design and Pat could be the first to try it out,,,,lol
"Delete your post" Wow you better straighten up Pat. I'd hate to see a deletion war break out. lol Keenan
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Do y'all remember a few years ago, somebody (I believe it was Milo maybe) posted pics of a static recurve where they weren't paying attention and bent one tip up and the other one down? Maybe you could do it like that, that was quite a unique bow ;D
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Uh Oh :o
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I think Chris was after CHARACTER wasn't he. Justin
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Listen, a liitle character is fine, but not really all THAT necessary ;D
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Steve, I've done that before. I didn't broadcast it though!
Keenan, My seniority delete button over rides his newby delete button. ;D Pat
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Keenan, his bow building skills trump mine also. ;D Justin
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Thats ok Justin, seems there's always a pecking order in every situation. Just think If we are all a bunch of turkeys then Pat would still be the rulling Tom with that long beard and all.
But if we are a bunch of dogs I think his bark is worse than his bite,,,,,,,,lol Keenan
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...or overbite!!! ;D Pat
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Keenan, you guys getting lonely up there? Looks like funny things going on with your dogs. I thought dogs only looked like that in Arkansas. ;D
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Your right Chris, that aint Oregon in the background,,,,,,lol
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Maybe I could come up there and see the difference :D Maybe sometime this fall.... when's elk season?
I almost forgot. Are you coming down this weekend?
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August 25 - Sept. 23 this year, ;D ;D ;D I think my neck is already starting to swell,,,,,,lol It would be cool to have some PA's get together for some tree ripping out in the woods......Keenan
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I would like nothing better!!! Never been there.
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Well I got back to work yesterday,Got the nocks cut in the Vine Maple and am ready to start tillering.I got Pat's braced and out to 19 in. I am going to show some pictures ,yall tell me what you think.I am not real sure on the tiller on this stile bow. The only one I have ever made was
a Osage,56 in.flat bend through the handle and I made it bend all the way ,but not as much through the handle.This was bending like a half circle,is this the way it should be done.I have
never worked with white Oak so I ant sure about this but it seem to loose weight pretty fast.It acts like it is green even tho it is dry.I got it out to 19 in. and it was about 32lbs.but seems to be loosing it fast so I put it in the hot box for a day or 2 to see if that helps.Give me some advice I
don't want to loose it or have it turn into a kids bow if I can help it. :-\The first pic. is the first
brace then out to 15 and then brace again then out at 19/20.
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What do yall think? :)
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I never made a bend in the handle bow. But that one sure seems to bend a lot in the middle to me. I would make the outer limbs bend a little more. But like I said, I have never done one either. Justin
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Thats kind of what I was thinking but wasn't sure.Maybe someone that dose these regular
will chime in.I don't have a lot to work with as far as weight goes if the last6/7 in. go away as quick as the first did. ???
Pappy
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Pappy, I guess it varies from person to person, but I like them to just barely bend in the handle. If they bend too much there, a little set can turn into a lot, and it'll jar your teeth out to shoot it.
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Yea Pappy,What hillbilly said.I'm glad it wasn't just me.I didn't have it bend much in the handle.As I tillered, it seemed like it did it on it's own.I never worked oak either,but it sure aint like hickory.I guess you have to leave it real thick???
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I probably should have left more wood on it when I roughed it out, never worked with oak much, either.
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It was stiff when you sent it to me Steve.I might have taken too much off.Oak has a milder taste than hickory when smokin' mullet and other fish. ;D
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Maybe I better send a bag of hickory chips from Walmart to mullet before he gets my bow. :o Justin
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Mesquite would be fine. 8)
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Pappy the only suggestion I have is to shorten it and really turn the tips up.Acting like green wood is why I torched the belly with the heat gun.It helped a little then started to drop weight again fast.Thats why I quit.Oh,forgetting about the glue up.probally can't bend the tips.I'd still pike it though.
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It does look like the limbs should bend a bit more. Generally, I think a arc of a circle through the handle and out to the recurves.
I thought you guys were bowyers. Don't be blaming the poor stave. ;D
I have made a few white oak bows but they were ALB style bows. They performed quite well. I haven't made a bow with the wood from this particular tree. I cut it out of my front yard 3 or 4 years ago. Pat
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Pappy, Check out the tiller on Andrew's bow in his "simple bow" post. Pat
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Thanks guys,I will do that Pat.I have a few ideas,I ant ready to give up yet.I have it pulled back and in the hot box now and will leave it there till the weekend.I will keep you updated.On another note I have Hillbillys almost ready to brace and it is looking good as of yesterday.I will have some pictures soon,Plan on bracing it today and try and finish the tiller this weekend.It's going to be cool if it all works out.The VineMaple is yours isn't it Hillbilly.I am getting all mixed up ???
Pappy
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Yeah, the VM's mine.
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Hillbilly it is looking good so far.What weight and draw did you want.I probably have it somewhere but can't fine it.Getting Old I guess.The more I work with it the better I like the wood.My have
been the oil and heat I had to put on it that makes it work smoother. :)
pappy
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Pappy, I usually draw 26"-27", and whatever weight you get is fine. Most of mine are somewhere in the 45-60# range.
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I should be able to handle that.
Pappy
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I got Chris's new stave from Keenan today. This sucker is perT. Justin
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Got Hillbilly's braced yesterday ,plan on tillering it this evening and Sat.So far so good.
I hate bracing one the first time with that much Backset every time you string them they just try and straighten out,but I got it .More later. :)
Pappy
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I think Keenan is determined to turn me into a more experienced bowyer in spite of myself. I have been working on Chris's stave and got it floor tillered. Then I set that sucker up on the tree and immediately noticed something was wrong. ??? NO PAT, I didn't break it. ;D One limb is a couple of inches longer than the other. Ive never made a bow with one limb longer than the other. What exactly is the correct way to tiller it. (I went back and read the Torges topic.) I understood it more this time and I have some new thoughts on it, but thought it best to let that dog lie. Anyway, how about some input. Justin
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Justin, you have to tiller each limb seperately but in unison with the other. Be sure both limbs bend evenly and smoothly and bring each tip to a designated point. When I started placing the center of the handle in the center of the bow I was amazed how easy it was to see tiller. I had always made the top limb longer until then. Pat
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Thanks Pat, I have been putting it on the tree with the arrow pass through in the center. I then hook my rope where the nocking point will be, and tiller until both limb tips travel down the same distance. Will that work for these bow? Justin
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Hey Justin, Just got in from Texas and catching up on the reading. Sorry I was sure I had that one even but maybe I got off a litlle. Also there is probably enough length to shorten it up a little if you want even.
Very little sleep and very tired but had a great time. Saw my parents ranch for the first time.They moved to NE teaxas three years ago.
To my surprise there is a little over hundred acres of osage,eastern red cedar,honey locus and even some pecan and hickory. And lots of oak.
After cutting my first osage tree, I humbly respect all of you southerners now all the more. I was drenched with sweat and felt like a pin cushion. I was to afraid of the three inch thorn on the honey locust to attempt it.
Chris sorry bud. I would have loved it, but didn't get the message till just now. Keenan
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No problem Keenan. Maybe next time. Did you get some good staves? Harvesting osage'll make an old man out of you ;D
Hey Brian, got anything to send my way yet? Just checking. I've been making hickory heartwood arrows all day. Between that and working on a bow for a feller, I have plenty to do so no rush... Chris
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Keenan, no need to apologize. I need to do something a little different. You ought to see the project I got myself into now. Ill post some pictures when the time is right. ;D It was nice to talk to you on the phone. One of these days I'm going to make it up to cut some wood with you. Justin
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Well there is bad news and good news.I was at about 22 in. in Hillbilly's Vine Maple and a splinter popped up 2/3 in. ot of the fades.The thing is I didn't see it coming.So I unbraced it,super glued it down and rapped it with serving.Let it set and went back to work on it and it turned out fine.I
rapped the other limb to match and finished.It turned out 53@27 and tillered out fine.I limb looks a little stiff but I had to leave it because of all the knots.We all shot it and it shoots great.It held about 1 1/2 of backset right after unstrung and about 2 after 30 min. of rest.So I will be sending it on to Koan soon.I also took Pat's out of the hot box after 4 days and finished tillering it.It came out 49@26.I still have another plan to do a little more to it and I will let you know how that goes.
Here are some pictures let me know what yall think.I have thought about putting a thin strip in
the middle about a foot long on the belly in the handle area and thinning it down and tapering it out toward where the fades would be [if it had any]and see if that would pick it up a little and take a little bend out of the handle.It didn't take much set but it seems like it might for some reason.Just a thought,what do yall think.I really want these to turn out to be shooters.Hillbilly's is now if I can get Pat"s like I want it I will be happy. :)
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After first unbraced.
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Looking good Pappy. I like the idea of the 1/4" built up riser on Pat's bow. ;D I'm thinking that a good bowyer is not someone who can make a bow without problems, its a guy who can fix problems when they arise. Of course if your not having problems, your not making many are you. Justin
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You got that right justin,I sometimes wonder how it would be to make one trouble free
I think it would be great but it probably wouldn't. :)
Pappy
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That looks great, Pappy. ;D :) ;D :) Looks like you did an excellent job on that ol' gnarly piece of wood, a lot better than I could have. I didn't get a chance to do much over the weekend myself, I had ten thousand things I had to do. I'm getting Justin's tillered slowly but surely.
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That's lookin good Pappy. I think I would do the handle buildup too.... Chris
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I was tillering Chris's bow the other day and it seemed like it was taking to much set, so I put it in the hot box for a couple of days. Then I heat treated the back this morning. Here is some eye candy for you Chris. ;D Justin
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Looking good so far justin. :)
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Wow that's looking nice Justin, That is some serious heat treating. I've never cooked yew to that degree. I usually start moving the gun when I see any color change at all. But I really like the pattern. Let me know how it turns out. Keenan
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Keenan most will scrape off when Im done. Justin
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Man that looks neat Justin. I'll try not to get too excited till you finish. ;)
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Great job Pappy,you are the miracle worker.I think a strip on Pat's bow is a good idea.
Steve,If you want to save shipping to me on that bow,I'll be at Chris Cade's turkey hunting this coming Friday thru Wednesday.
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I got it glued on last night and will work it down tonight and see what happens.I may try
and rap at the end of the fades and in the middle,don't know if it need it but I have had problems with handles and al tho this is not a handle it could still cause a problem.I don't
know I am still thinking about it.I haven't heard from Koan lately ,has anyone else :-\.I will be sending him a couple hopefully in a few days.If not this week the first of next. :)
Pappy
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Man that looks neat Justin. I'll try not to get too excited till you finish. ;)
Ouch, Have a little faith. The power of positive thinking might help, and I might need the help. ;D Seriously, she will be fine. This is Marc StLouis's version of heat treating. Justin
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Justin, I have faith in you. Just giving you a hard time.... Chris
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Seeing these potential problems and seeing them worked out is very interesting and I am enjoying the process. Pappy, I appreciate your effort and look forward to seeing the finished product. This is what working with wood bows is all about...a continuous learning process. Pat
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Well stated Pat,You always have something that don't go according to plan ,I guess that is what I love about it,you never learn it all. :)
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Some day I hope to learn half of what you two know. Or even half of what you have forgotten. Justin
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I wish I could remember half of what I have forgotten. ??? CRS has been coming on for a while now! Pat
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Pat my wife would say I am the worst as far as short term memory. But I don't think it's as much a memory problem as it is a distraction problem.
The day befor we left Texas I lost our digital camera,,,,,,Could not for the life of me remember where I had put it and the way my wife was glaring at me I think I was in serious danger.
Turned out my Dad found the camera the next day. It was on they bow of his boat. I now remember getting the camera to take some pics but spotted a nice ERC back in the woods and went to investigate. That ofcoarse led to spotting several other trees witch led to searching for a saw that led to going on a stave run. Finnishing up several hours later around dark. And then not realizing the camera was even misplaced till the next morning while boarding the plane.
Amasingly I seem to be able to remember where one particular tree is in the middle of the forest but can't remember where I put the car keys,cell phone,notebook or anything els that is important. Keenan
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I got Pat's strip glued up day before yesterday and worked most of the way down yesterday.
Going to work it down a little more today and rap it in at least 3 places and re tiller Friday and hope for the best,O the thrill of victory or the agony of defeat.I will have some pictures in a day or 2. :)
Pappy
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Anybody heard from Brian lately?
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No I haven't,and I was just asking about on here a day or 2 ago.I finished Pat's today and will have some pictures in the morning.It looks a lot better.It turned out 51@26 and the belly strip helped the tiller a lot.I need to send it to Brian a long with Hillbilly's in a day
or two,but would like to hear from him before I send them. ???
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Can't wait to see her. ;D Pat
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Well here you go Pat.It still seems to be a little spongy but didn't take much set and recovered most of that after rest.You said you liked red on all your bow so see what you think of this.Still wondering about Brian,still hadn't herd from him.Has anyone? ???
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That looks snazzy, Pappy 8) 8)
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Well I hate to be the one holding you guys up. But you are going to have to be patient with me on this one. ;D I called Keenan last night and had a nice little visit about yew. I didn't know anything about yew. Well now I don't know much, but I know more than I did before. It turns out that I have been leaving too much sapwood on it. I knew there were types you used heartwood, and types you used sapwood. But I didn't know you had to remove 2/3 of the sapwood and leave the rest. ??? After I started removing the sapwood last night I can understand why. It is a lot like working willow or poplar. :) Anyway, that was the whole point to this friendship bow circle. To make friends and learn to use new wood types. And if we make a few bows along the way that is good too. Don't worry Chris, I may be getting all sappy and tearing up on you. But I'm still going to make you a MANLY bow. :'( Justin
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I checked Brian's stats, he was on last Friday. Maybe he took a little vacation. I sent him a PM to let us know he is OK. Justin
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I sent him one also,just to be sure.Ya so far I have worked on 2 different kinds of wood I have never used before.What did you think about the tiller on Pat's?I think it is pretty close.
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Now you're cooking with gas, Pappy! I love the red bands and the overall look. Tiller looks good also. You're a real master. Pat
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I heard you say you liked red on your bows.I started to do it in black then I remembered
you said that so there you go. :)
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Pappy I think the tiller looks great. I like it a lot better now, and the red really sets it off. Justin I'm not worried at all. Like I said before, I've never even seen yew before so this'll be a new experience for me too. I do have the Glann St. Charles video on Yew. He makes it look easy. But then all the videos I have make it look easy ;D They always seem to do the really hard parts off camera. I've never seen anyone work knots down on a bow back. All I work with here is Osage, Hickory, Elm and Ash so I know I'm getting some valuable info. Especially watching the progress on here. Keep the pics coming guys... Chris
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I think the tiller looks perfect, Pappy. It looked like it was bending a bit much in the handle, that fixed 'er up.
PS-Justin, you're not holding it up any more than me. This is my most hectic time of year at work and otherwise, I'm just working a little bit at a time, we'll all giterdone eventually.
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Pappy that looks really good. As stated befor it's great to see the problem solving that is taking place as we all encure different challenges. This is what this was suposed to be all about , learning new wood and diferent techiniques and styles. I am working on Brians and Pappys right now and not only is working osage new to me but the different handle styles are a new challenge as well. The interaction with Justin has been great and even though I've worked quite a bit of yew I've learned a few things from his trials as well. This is proving out to be a lot aof fun and great experinence.
Yesturday I had a great coversation with Chris and got to hear some really good huntin storys,,, just dosen't get much better than that. Keenan
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The tiller looks great Pappy.After looking at all you went through I guess I took too much wood off at the handle.Hillbilly don't get in a rush for me,It's turkey season and I'm on a mission.But this whole project has got me motivated.Between bows I've been working on a beautiful piece of high altitude yew,I'll post pictures soon.Heading to S.C. tomorrow afternoon,got a bird to wake up Sat.Morning.
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I will be sending them out to Brian the first of the week.Still haven't heard from him.
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Still ant heard from him yet,I guess I will send them on.
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Sure would be nice to hear from him wouldn't it Pappy. I hope he is OK. Justin
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Yes it would,I have them packed up ,but almost scared to send them till I hear from him.What do
yall think I need some advice here.I haven't heard from in a couple of weeks at least.Has
anyone else? ???
Pappy
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I would wait. He hasn't been on line. If he isn't home or is super busy, he cant work on them anyway. Justin
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OK that is what I was thinking,if we can't locate him in a while I will send them to the next one the list witch is Chris.I sent him a pm and didn't get a responce has he sent the one of Mullet's that
I laid out and floor tillered to Chris yet? :-\
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Well I just talked to Brian's Mom? She said he is okay, and has been working a lot. he also just moved and she doesn't think he has his connection set up. Pappy, I think its okay to send them... Chris
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I just read your last message. I haven't gotten Mullets bow yet. I know he's busy, but I wouldn't bypass him yet. I left my phone number for him to call. I'll let you know when i talk to him.
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Please do that and see if his address is still the same,I wasn't going to bypass him till I heard
something for sure.I will just hold these for a few more days.I guess none of us are in a hurry. :)
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Glad to hear he is OK. We weren't going to skip him until we heard something one way or the other. But a new address would sure make delivery a lot faster. I have seen what happens when the PO forwards mail. >:( Justin
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I think the old address is his folks, so I think he would still get it. Anyhow, I'll send something when I hear from him if he hasn't already done it.
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Okay, I just talked to Brian. He's just been very busy, and he doesn't have internet at his new house yet. Pappy, he said to keep sending the bows to the same address you have. Its his mom and dads, and they will get it for him. If you want I can PM you with his phone number. Brian's the second one from the circle I've had the pleasure of talking to from the circle. If he and Keenan are any indication, we have a great group of guys. I even heard Pat's pretty okay too ;D
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Im still kickin...mandatory overtime sucks! Pluggin away at Mullits bow finally....hopefully be done this weekend. Pappy, sendem on. Pappy, dont have a hotbox but do got a good dry place to keep it, is that gonna be enuff?
Justin, still lookin for that gnarly stave for ya...I aint forgot.
Chris, great talkin with ya, thanks for the info.
Might be a few days before I get on again but everything is cool here, sorry if I slowed things up.
luvpeesanchikingrease...Brian
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Well I was going to hold up a day or 2 but my lovely wife took it on her self to send it today.She knew I had them packed and was going to town so she sent it off.I used the address I had so it should be fine.She did insure them and got it to where someone
has to sign for it.I we talked about it and I wasn't going to do that but she didn't know,so I just said Thank you. ;D We were worried about you glad to hear all is fine.These should be ready to do tips or finish sanding or what ever you want to do.I have a string made for each but didn't serve them.Pat sorry it is a double loop.I use the single for tillering but usually make the string for the bow when finished double loop.If you don't like it I guess you can make what you like.Good luck and have fun. :)
Pappy
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Good to hear from you Brian. To much work does suck, but not nearly as bad as not enough work. You aren't holding anything up, that is my job. And might I add I do a mighty fine job of it. ;D I still need your address. Justin
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Pappy, I don't mind double loops. I had a hard time making them when I started so I made it easy for myself with single loop and a bowyers knot. Glad to know you're OK brian. Believe it or not, this archery stuff isn't as important as real work...a lot more fun but not as important. Pat
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Just got home from Cade's.Glad to hear Brians ok.Turkey hunting was tough up there.Seemed like what I left in Florida.It was Pop corn fart dry.Birds didn't want to gobble,made it really tough.We had a great time though,some buddies came down from Penn. and Tom Brennan came down for the weekend and brought me and Chris a super osage stave a piece.It was just iceing on the cake for the weekend.Also cut some really good cane.We have 3 more weeks of turkey's here ,but I'm ready for some wood.How about it Hillbilly?
P.S. steve you should have come down ,I brought rock with me.
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Eddie, wish I could have made it down, but I've just had too much work and other stuff going on. I'll run into you somewhere before long, though. You coming to Hickory? It'll probably be next week before I get a bow headed your way. Like I said-hectic this time of year. I've got Justin's almost ready to brace, though, so it'll go quick from there.
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Hillbilly,Naw, I can't make it this year.I'll be there next year.Tom Brennan came down ,and I'll tell you what .That man is making some fine shooting bows.He doesn't give hisself enough credit.Anyway,I'm hunting,maybe to the end of June if I can get away with it with my wife.Send the wood when you get a chance.
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Koan,they got there yet? Let me know when you get them so I can rest easier,Old men need there rest. :)
Pappy
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Ya Pappy they came Today.Now u can relax ;D. Mailman was real impressed with them and others in the shop,lol. Maybe another convert eh...? You know you live in a great place when the mailman has time to stop and visit....ah Mayberry life, oh and aunt Bee made a homade cherry pie...really, it was good, still warm.
Brian
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Well Chris, do you want the good news or the bad news? The good news is I am learning a ton about yew. The bad news is we are starting over again. I heat treated the limb and started tillering it. It started to take a lot of set on the same limb again. It had a little natural deflex there, and it just seemed to want to build on it. I decided to heat that area again and add a little extra reflex to that spot to compensate. Well I might have put a little to much pressure on it, and KABOOM. I think the third time is the charm. ;D We will get there, eventually. Justin
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EVERYONE RUN and hide your yew and kids. Justin is tillering again :o Justin, you might want to try ironwood! ;D Pat
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Pat, does that mean you are mailing me a piece? ;D I would tell you to cover your ears too, but I get so mad I cant make a sound. Think of it this way. With every bow you break you learn something. Pretty soon I will know EVERYTHING. ;) Justin
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I love an optimist!!! ;D Pat
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Justin, I'm holding your gar skins hostage ;D ;D ;D
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OH NO CHRIS! I'm having enough stress about it. Stress and bow building are a BAD combo. I better go get me another diet coke and take a couple of deep breaths. Justin
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Justin.....BOOOOMMMM!!! That agonizing sound of a blow blowing....AGAIN!!! ;D
Just pulling your leg!
David T.
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I wish you guys would point this out to every new guy on the site. Then they would know it happens to everyone. (except Pat) ;D Maybe start a new post on the bow board titled JUSTIN BLOWS ANOTHER YEW. ;D Oh wait, I am a new guy compared to Pat, Pappy, Bob, Eddie, Steve, Keenan. I feeling kinda wet behind the ears. Maybe I should go get some baby food. :D Justin
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Justin, just kidding about the gar skins, but it will be another week for them. I have one large gar from last week that I kept the skin from. I was going back out this weekend, but we actually have ice on the ground :o Very unusual for us anytime much less in April. Supposed to be back up in the mid 50s tomorrow. The water probably won't be warm enough to find gar in significant numbers till next weekend. Anyway I'll get them to you after that.... Chris
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I know you were just trash-in with me. Maybe you can go ICE FISHING. ;D I don't know how that works. I thought ice was the stuff you get in your drink at a fancy restaurant. Justin
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Sorry to hear bout that Justin. Try,try again. Got Mullits ready for the long string but got tired mentally and physically so it was time to stop for the night. Justin, roofing sucks!! Specially in 30 mile an hour wind!!!! You must have nerves of steel to do that every day. Never wanna see a 12/12 roof again!
Brian
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Hey Justin, Check out my "What to do" post. ;D Pat
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I was gonna suggest that, Pat, but I was being a good boy for once ::)
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Pat, I have been fallowing it. But it is still alive isn't it. Maybe I can teach you something. When I break a bow, I DO IT RIGHT. If there isn't at least 5 pieces its not broken yet. Justin
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Whew and to think I almost used my Primo yew stave. ::)
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Jeeeshhh! Arn't you all done building those bows yet?
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Taking your time and patience make pretty bows. ;)
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Jeeeshhh! Arn't you all done building those bows yet?
What are you talking about, Im on my third bow already. ;) ;) Justin
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Justin, I don't think you can count redos. Specially if they now reside in the corner of shame. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Its not in the corner of shame. I cut the good limb off both bows and spliced them together. ;D Justin
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Does that mean your on your first half bow or or 1 and 1/2? Now I'm confused ??? ??? Of course that's no an unusual feeling for me. I have worked on two and passed them on. Brian, that's your que ;D
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I haven't seen hide nor hair of anything in quite a while. :'( Pat
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I can tell you are confused. Do the math, that is 1 and 2 halfs. ;D Justin
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Thanks Justin. i see it now. I started a new job today. 9 hours in training >:( I hate training.
Pat at least you still have a bow in the works :D
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OOOOOOOOOOOOUCHHHH!!!! I dont know exactly what to say now. I guess we a re both confused now. ;D Justin
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Touche! ::) I'll quit complaining. When is Justin scheduled to get my bow? :o Pat
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I don't know Pat. Hopefully its past the heat treating stage ;D
Sorry Justin. training makes me ornery.
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Hey Pat, you better be carefull. I get it last. It's going to be tillered for a short armed big foot. If I decide to pull it back to a man sized draw who knows what might happen. ;D OK I'll be nice now. I might have to report myself to myself, and myself would not be happy with myself. ??? Justin
OOPS Pat, I forgot KITTY EATER
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Kitty Eater????? Whats up with that. Myself asked myself and got really confused!!!! ;D
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D Tiller, I think he's referring to this thread: Not that I thought it was funny or anything myself, but I'll post the link in the selfless spirit of public service ::) ::) ::) ;D
http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,1295.0.html
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Sheesh! I never get no respect! :( Here Kitty, Kitty!!!! ::) Pat
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I'm sorry Pat, To make it up to you I will pick up all the kitty pizza I see between Utah and Tennessee and bring it to you. Justin ;D
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Watch out for the dreaded hairballs!!! ;D
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Mullet ,hows my next project coming along ? ??? You know I don't have anything to do.
Pappy
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Don't know Pappy?I haven't seen any wood yet.They might be snowed in in N.C.If you want something to do while we're waiting I have a bow to finnish for a guy and I'm real busy. ;)
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That is really good I think I have plenty to do for the next couple of weeks and then send it on. ;)
Pappy
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Im workin on it Chris, be patient...I cant work well under stress........ ;D :P
Brian
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No problem Brian. I got some other bows I'm trying to finish up anyway. Just send em when you can... Chris
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Eddie, I just haven't had much time to work on anything lately. I'll be sendin' em on before too long.
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Steve,Pappy need's something to do,I still have one more week of turkey hunting here.
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I'm going to keep my mouth shut until I get Chris's bow done. I'm tired of jinxing myself. :D I been doing some reading about YEW. Didn't know I could read did you. ;D Justin
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Uh,Turkey season is over here now.If I don't have an excuse to work on a bow I have to finish painting the house. :'(
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Turkey season just started here a week or so ago. Tom Sawyer said he would paint your house. ;D Pat
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Hey Justin, I think the trick is to read the info before you need it.... ;D
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Your memory obviously works better than mine. :-\ I had no idea yew was so different than every other wood I ever saw. Justin
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You guys still building those bows?!?!
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We are relishing the moment. We don't want the experience to end to soon. Justin
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Justin, I think I have a new motto that fits you and Yew! "Yew....Its whats for dinner!" or "Yew...goes to peices!" or "Yew beware!" or "Yew be gone!"
I know, I know I have WAY to much time on my hands at the moment. No body is comming in the door of my shop!
David T
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Switch from making soap to making beer and your shop will be busier ;D Don't know about anybody else, but I'm covered up this time of year. Gimme a couple weeks and I'll be back to a lean mean bow-scraping machine lol.
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Maybe you need to use some of that smell pretty soap. ;D I have a guy paying way to much for a bow, and I cant even manage to get his done. Of course I have worked on a few free bows. Maybe it is just that guy. ;) Justin
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Damn Hillbilly,does that mean you are gonna cover me up with bows?
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Waist deep.
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I was just wondering where we were on this,Got plenty to keep me busy for the next week or 2 but after that I full bore to get some finished. ;D
Pappy
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I am hoping to bring some to Pat when I come to Tennessee. Justin
PS Dont tell Brian I have been working on his bow. I dont want to get his hopes up AGAIN.
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:o :o :o :o :P
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Have some paitience with me as well. I've been dealing with some really rough stuff the last three weeks. Concerning my 16 yr old daughter and a 18 yr old boy. The kind of stuff loving Dads never want to walk through.
On top of that I'm baried with the spring rush of work. Hope to get some time this week and get my head back together. Sorry Justin, I'll get these other bows to you soon.. Keenan
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I am hoping to bring some to Pat when I come to Tennessee. Justin
PS Don't tell Brian I have been working on his bow. I don't want to get his hopes up AGAIN.
Oops Brian, I didn't mean to scare you like that. I had just been talking to you when I posted that. I meant to say Chris's bow. Justin
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Justin, You don't have to bring any to me in Tenn. I already have a bunch! ;) but I would like to see some of your bows. ;D Pat
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Keenan, you just need to say to him, 'I ain't afraid to go back to jail.'
J. D. Duff
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I think you should go take care of the kid for him J.D.. Slip a gunny sack over his head and beat him. ::) Even if he does see you, he don't know you. You live close enough to sneak over and take care of it, but far enough tonever be seen again. ;) Justin
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Thanks JD and Justin, I did have a sit down hart to hart and I did let him know that with one phone call he would be facing 7 yrs. I'm not sure why but for some reason I really had the erge to knapp a spear point while talking to him,,,,,Seems like it would be a very theraputic thing to do. However mercy prevailed and God reminded me what I was like at his age. It wasn't right and still hurts but inside I know they are both kids trying to grow up. The desire to play with a new spear tip is still there however..,... Keenan
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Keenan,I sure know what you are going through.My daughter is grown up now and very responsible but When I hear stories like yours I still can't forget the day I came home and found her and a friend in the act at 16.I had to walk by the room with all my guns, swords, and bows and take a breather before I threw the boy out.I really thought about feeding the gators when he smiled and introduced hisself.But you know they do change when they get older.Ahh,girls,they will do anything to make Daddy smile and always find away to break his heart. :-\
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Thanks for the encouragement Eddie, I have worked with youth for years doing camps and spoke to kids in juvinal detention for years as well as couselling youth and parents. Often I found myself wondering how I would respond to various senarios and here we are.
"Ahh,girls,they will do anything to make Daddy smile and always find away to break his heart." Well said.
Thanks, Keenan
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Thank god you didn't do anything drastic! Like pitching the kid to the gators. Glad you could have a discusion with the young man. Let the tempers settle before talken is my thoughts. People, especially the young ones seem to respond better. But on the other hand as my grandpa used to say:
"Kids, you can tell'em! But ya cant tell em much!"
Be patient and have a good sit down with your daughter. Have faith, everything will come out right in the end!
David T
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Hang in there Keenan. My daughter is now 36 and an attorney. They do eventually grow up and become nice folks again. ;) When Meredith went off to college she called me one night just to say she was sorry for being such an *sshole as she grew up. That made it all worth while. ;D Sometimes, especially in their teens, its hard to believe that they will ever get over it. Most do!!! ;D.
As she was growing up, I tried to remember what it was like at her age. ::) Sometimes that worked but sometimes it just scare the hell out of me! :o Pat
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Way to stand up for your daughter Keenan. There aren't many 18 year old boys who could take me in a fight and I plan to keep it that way for the next 20 years. :P
J. D. Duff
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Hey Guys sorry for falling off the board lately, been crazy on the home front and work front as well. Thanks for the encouragement and support.
I'm trying to get my part done here and get a few mpre of these bows to Justin. But it's proving to be a challenge. I ruptured my bicep ten days ago and have still been working up till now, with alot of pain. Found out this morning I'm scheduled for surgery next Tuesday, Then out for 4-6 weeks. Ruptured my left bicep two years ago and not looking forward to going through this again.
Elk season 13 weeks away just adds to bummer. I'll do my best to keep my end of this deal for you guys. Thanks for all your support. Keenan
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Keenan, man you are having some bad luck. If it helps you out you can bypass tillering or drawing bows and add tips or something, then send them on. It don't have to be done in any specific order. You missed elk season last year for health reasons. Now maybe another. That really sucks. Don't let it get you down. You can still get out and hunt, even if you cant shoot. We will be praying for you. Justin
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Man Keenan,I'm really sad to hear that.That's a big muscle,how do you rupture that?Therepy has got to be hell.
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Thanks Justin & Eddie, I'm going to work like crazy to try to be ready but if not at least I can guide for my wife and a few buddies this year.Calling in mad bulls for my best friend (wife) and a few buddies, dosen't get much better than that dose it?
Eddie, I was given two golf coarse mowers that a local golf coarse was giving away.One of wich I'm donating to the ampetheater that we just built at our church.They helped us out alot through the heart surgery last year and we wanted to give back.
But in the process I lifted a beam that was to much and blew the bicep.
To reattach they have to drill through the bone and pull the tenden through and stich into the muscle on the other side then the bone grows in and holds the tenden. Went through this with the other arm two years ago. You would think that I would learn but I've always been very fit and work out daily and still have a 20 yr old mind in a 46 yr old body.
Allthough we've had some rough times there has been alot of blessings as well. And it would not be right to accept the good and reject the other. Beside there are many that have it much worst then what we have had. Thanks....Keenan
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Keenan Sorry to hear about your problems,wished there was something I could do to help I guess it will just take time,I know about that 20 year old in a old mans body. :)I would be glad to do anything on the bows you want me to do,Like justin said it don't have to be in any order and
I would be glad to help out.I don't know what is where anyway or who has what so I guess as long as they get back home sometime it really don't matter.One thing for sure as for me I ant in any hurry,I have plenty of bow to shoot.The main thing is take care of yourself. :)
Pappy
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Thanks Pappy, You all are a fine group of good hearted people. I'm going to try to consentrate on what I can do like Justin said tips,skins handles or what ever I can come up with for that particular bow.
As for helping out you all do more then you know. Just being able to see pics of your rondevous and all the guys sippin on coffee or suds makes me wish I was there yo here some of the stories.
Hope to show up down there some day and drool over your bows in person. Keenan
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Keenan, Take care of yourself. You ain't no spring chicken anymore and we don't heal like we used to. I hate to hear that you will miss another season hunting. I guess your wife will have to take that big bull you've been eyeballing. ;) Pat
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Hey anybody heard anything from Chris(Agbowyer)? Hasnt been online in awhile, Lost his # when I washed my phone ;D. Im ready to send him somethig, but dont want to till he knows its coming....Brian
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Npe aint heard from him in a while. Last I heard he was workin 'out of town. Have Chris's address if'n ya need it ...........bob
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Its been a while since I talked to him. Last I heard he hadn't even had time to go bow fishing, so he must be real busy. ;) Justin
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Ya I know he started a new job, probably got him covered up. I got his address, just wanted to touch base with him before I sent him Mullits bow. Hope everythings alright with him......Brian
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I haven't heard from him,I sent him some Cain and sour wood shafts and some trade points
and wanted to hear when he received it,I pm ed him but ant heard nothing yet.I know he has a new job and is traveling a lot.
Pappy
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I thought I had his phone number but I can't find it.
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Sorry guys. I've been out of town all month. i'm back now so I can get a little something done. Got back yeaterday. Brian send away. Pappy, I got everything. It was on my front porch. We don't use the front door, and nobody was looking for anything. But it was there next to the chair. I should be able to get you those skins soon, but my son didn't take care of drying them for me. I'll get them out tomorrow. My oldest son is a great boy, but he's been working a real job for the first time, and just graduated from high school this morning. I guess he had a lot on his mind. He thinks he's in big trouble, but I'm gonna let him slide this time. I'll still be working a lot of hours during the week, but I have weekends. Sorry to be gone so long.... Chris
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Glad you are back Chris.
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Thanks, I missed my shop, and I think it missed me. ;D
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Glad your ok Chris, ill send it out later this week......Brian
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No hurry on my account Chris ,we were just kind of worried about you,you just vanshed.I
bet the shop did miss you I know mine dose when I am gone,It told me so ;D Man I got
to much time alone on my hands. ;)
Pappy
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Chris, glad to see your OK. I though maybe you fell in the canal while hunting alligator gar. They look like one big gulp and you are done for. ;D
Pappy, Time ALONE??? I thought that was quality time spent with a loved one, the shop. Justin
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You are right justin it is my baby and I do love her. ;D
Pappy
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I thought I'd bring this back up to the top before we all got diagnosed with ADD.Do we still have wood floating around out there? ???
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I was just wondering if we all forgot. I was working on Chris's bow yesterday. I hope to have it out to Pat this week. Justin
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Justin,I hope not.Sounds like I'm going to get an avalanche of wood coming at me. :-\
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I got three of em hear, hope to get some sent out soon.....overtime sucks! :D....Brian
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I haven't seen hide nor hair of any of it for months. ??? I've been wondering about it too. Pat
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Pat, I'm taking it slow and easy on this piece of yew. ;) Don't rush me. ;D Justin
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I'm not rushing you! I've seen your work. ;D...especially with yew. :o Pat
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Whew, that was close. That was the second time I set myself up like that today. You didn't comment the last time. I was starting to think you weren't feeling well. Greg wouldn't miss that chance. :o Justin
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Part of my scheme ;) Wait for you to let down your guard...then WHAM!!! :o Worked very well, I might add! 8) Pat
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I was wondering what was going on also,done forgot who has what. ???
Pappy
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I think Steve has a boat load.That's what I'm worried about.
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Actually I've just got two-slowly but surely :)
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Mullet,I got a vine maple stave a few weeks ago,I am all mixed up. ??? Is that Hillblllys.People send me stuff all the time and I didn't know what it was for.I was looking at some paper work I had on the friendship bow and seen Hillbilly's stave was vine maple and thought it might be his.It looks like it is just roughed in,If it is I will lay it out and floor tiller and send it own.Someone let me know.
Should have ask earlier just hadn't thought of it till this morning. :)
Pappy
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Pappy, you already tillered my VM stave:
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Cool,I don't know why he sent me that one,I guess cause I am such a nice guy.Man I
am getting forgetful. :)
Pappy
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Hey Pappy, right now I got Mullits sage bow, Pats oak/hick. and Hillbillys vine maple....hope that helps clear some of it up 4 you.
Brian
p.s....I know,I know, I'm workin on it ;)
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Dang Brian, at least I only have one. ;D Justin
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Is it broke yet??? :P.....Tenn. B
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Cant break them if I stockpile them in the garage like you. ;) ;D Justin
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OUCH :-*
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Am I too much of a beginner to do this? I think I should wait till I get some more experience.
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David, get to practicing, anyone is welcome. We are quite a way into it this go around. But we will be doing it again. Justin
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ok after i do some more bows I might join the circle :)
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Dose anyone know where mine is at,I haven't heard from Agbowyer and bornagainprimitive in a while.
Pappy
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I know Keenan has 2. He went in for shoulder surgery a couple of weeks ago. Anybody heard how his surgery went? Justin
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Pappy,That vine maple stave is the one I sent you for the Osage stave you sent me.You were bailing me out for the one I had to finish for a guy.
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Hey Pappy, I'm still hear, but I haven't had any staves in quite awhile....Brian???? Actually its worked out well for me cause I didn't have any time till lately, and my wife had (has) a few things she saved for me while I was out of town ;D
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my wife had (has) a few things she saved for me while I was out of town ;D
OH how sweet, at least you know she was thinking about you while you were out of town. ;D Justin
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Thanks Mullet,I had forgot.I have slept since we made that trade.Thats fine Agbowyer I haven't had any in a while either.No hurry ,just wondering.
Pappy
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Hey Hillbilly,I got an Idea.Bring the two friendship bows you have to Pat's and we can work on them .Then I'll save you some shipping.
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Eddie, I'm sending the Medicine Bow back to Fla with you. Jamie put Yankee deer blood on her, now its your turn to put some Cracker pig blood on her. ;D Pat
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Alright!Looking forward to it.Thanks Pat.
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Eddie, that's what I'm planning to do. Been lazy with 'em lately, but I scraped on one awhile yesterday, gonna try to get them ready to send with you by then. Great minds think alike lol.
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Dang I had done forgot about those. ;D Have I got any coming my way anytime soon. ???
Pappy
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Pappy,Whatever Hillbilly piles on me comes to you next.If you go to Pats we can all catch up.
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Can't wait,I only got 3 going so I am getting bored ;D ;D It don't look like I will make it up there
to far to come by myself and I can't get the other guys off there duffs.I am leaving for Mic. on the first and got to cut Hickory before the sap starts to fall.Needs to be done before August so I will
have to meet you in person sometime in the future.Yall have fun and keep them boys straight. :)
Pappy
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Well darn,Was looking forward to meeting you guy's,maybe at your place next year.But since I'm such a good influence I'll keep everybody in the straight and narrow,especially the birthday Global Moderator. ;)
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Pappy, Sorry ya'll can't make it but I understand...and I hope you don't believe Eddie is a good influence :o After next weekend, I'll have pics to prove it. ;D Pat
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:o :o :o :o :o :o :o ::)
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Pat I didn't.Yall have a good time but I know that is a given. ;D Mullet I am finishing up on my sister bows and got my BL finished yesterday,should be done with them in a week or 2 so I will need something to do.If you get some of the others ready I will be on them as soon as I get um.
Getting close to hunting season now so I need to get my part done before that or it may be the Spring. ;D ;D
Pappy
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Hey guys. I don't get to the computer very often, but I'm still here. Brian, i haven't gotten any wood to work on in a long time. Bow seasons gonna be on us before you know it. Justin, have you broken any more of my bows lately? ;D
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Everybody is a comedian. And once in a while someone is even funny. ;D Justin
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Just wondering........
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Still workin on em Chris, I'll get with ya soon....Brian
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Well darn,Must be going through those senior moments.I don't remember Hillbilly bringing a single bow stave to Pats.What happened there?
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Eddie, if you remember, I had Justin's hickory that I was gonna finish tillering at Pat's, but I didn't want to bend it with all the rain and humidity going on that weekend. We talked about it, maybe after too many brews :) I'll have it to you soon, promise. It's out to brace height now. Just got back from a weeks vacation, I'll try to finish it in the next week or two as I get time.
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;D ::) ;D I think I read that the stock of several bourbon companies skyrocketed in value that week............ :D
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Hi folks, run my finger thru the bandsaw last night, super glued it shut and I can still type with it :'(. Let this be a reminder...if your tired and your blade is dull, dont use the power tools! :-[.....Brian
p.s....Pat, your bow has already drawn blood. ;)
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Brian, I hope your finger is still attached! :o If someone asks how it happened, Don't show them! ;)
Pat
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Ya Pat, just split the skin down to the meat, but not in it. Right under the fingernail. Superglue is great stuff!...Brian
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Whew brian,glad it wasn't bad.Stop-Leak works great when knapping too.
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What ever happened on these,haven't heard anything in several weeks ???Deer season is fixing to open and I am going to get real busy. ;)
Pappy
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Me too,Pappy. I'm about to say ,send my "puppy" home ,and I'll finish it.
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If I could get some to work on soon, that would be great. I'm having surgery on my arm 9/20 so I don't know how long that will put me back. Maybe not long, but they won't know till they get in there. Might put a crimp in bow season, but we can bowhunt during the regular season as well :). I'd like to get some of those bows cranking....Chris
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I really don't know where they are at.I sent the last one I had ,I think it was Pat's
a good while ago. ???
Pappy
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Good to see ya back Chris, good luck withyer surgery eh.
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I'm one of the bottlenecks, just had more to do than I could get done lately. I'm workin' on it, but I'm doing this for fun, and for the last month or two, I've just been run into the ground with work, school, and life in general. Things have got to slacken up soon, and I'll get them out . I apalogise for being slow as Christmas, but I've just bit off more than I could chew this summer.
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Not a problem Hillbilly I am in no hurry at all,got plenty to hunt with and plenty to do also.
Just hadn't heard lately.Take you time.You are right it is for fun. :) :)
Pappy
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Got my part of Pats done....still tillerin Mullets, its bein a pain in the butt but it aint whipped me yet! Gonna try to get it done this weekend...but im sure something will get in the way as usual. :'( Chris I'll give ya a call when I ship'em so you can look for them. Cant get online much for awhile but I'll check in when I can. They are wearing me slick with all the OT at work...better to be too busy than have no work at all.....Brian
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Brian, i'll be waitin to hear from you......Chris
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Hey Mullet, its over here. ;D
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Uh,Oh;Is it a take-down yet? ;D ;)
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Alrighty then. Just talked to Chris, he has been purty swamped but should be freed up a little soon. Just finished tillerin mullets, that bad boy has been whippin me for a while but it finally tapped out. ;). Gettin ready to work on Hillbilly's VM(not sure what to do to it-looks perfect now) but it'll have to wait cuz im takin Pats bow huntin in the mornin ::). Just a little update...lets see if'n we can keep this at the top of the page ;)....Brian
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You are taking Brian's bow hunting in the morning! ;) All I want is a report on a successful hunt! ;D
Good luck. Pat
ps I don't think I have any of the Friendship bows and haven't seen one in months. ??? Almost forgot!
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Well, I'm glad I'm not the only bottle neck on these projects. You guys have been very paitient with me, thank you. I'm finally able to tinker in the shop a little,so will be getting the ones that are in my care out soon. I was able to make some saw dust yesturday,,,,,first in quite a while.......Don't worry guys, I didn't turn it all into saw dust,,LOL Keenan
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Don't worry guys, I didn't turn it all into saw dust,,LOL Keenan
Hey now, that is my job. ;D We are patient Keenan, don't over work yourself. Justin
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Glue's dryin on the cow horn tips I put on Hillbilly's VM bow...shape em Sat...I hope ;)....Brian
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i just read through this for the first time...you guys are awesome! this sounds like great fun...sure do hope you all do it again ;) im gonna ge involved in the B.I.T.H. over on paleoplanet, really looking forward to that ;D anyhow just wanted to say hay and keep it up!
Phil
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Alrighty then. Just talked to Chris, he has been purty swamped but should be freed up a little soon. Just finished tillerin mullets, that bad boy has been whippin me for a while but it finally tapped out. ;). Gettin ready to work on Hillbilly's VM(not sure what to do to it-looks perfect now) but it'll have to wait cuz im takin Pats bow huntin in the mornin ::). Just a little update...lets see if'n we can keep this at the top of the page ;)....Brian
Well......turns out Mullets bow didnt tap out :-[.....put it on the tiller rack to take a picture and right before I got it to full draw....KAPOWWW!!!! :-[ Quite dramatic... my first break :-[. Funny thing is that I shot several arrows thru it night before last. Will post pics soon. Almost got the explosion on pic...try harder next time ;). Sooo...how do we do this? Do I need to send a stave back to whoever is after Mullet, or start another and send it on? Justin, the heat is off you and on me for awhile. ;D
SORRY Eddie....Brian
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I just have to laugh a little. Seems like Brian was the biggest jokester about the whole yew thing. ;) Justin
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Were'nt me ::) ::)....Brian
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Hey guys, had a little time this evening after cutting firewood. Don't worry not anyone's bow. Thanks for calling Brian. just let me know when you send something. How you doing Keenan? Justin, I never did see if a stave ever lived past you ;D? How's everyone else?
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.....Hey Chris , Ya alive down thar in tex ?...bob
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I'm alive, but haven't had much time. Got in a hunt for mule deer in Nebraska with my boys. They hunted with black powder, and took two real nice bucks. We only had two days to hunt before I had to be back. I did make one bow out of vine maple that 330 bull sent me. That's some neat stuff. I broke the first one getting in a hurry, but the second turned out nice. Brian called last week. He said he was about ready to send another stave or three to me. I hope to get on them as soon as I can. I busted some of you rock, but I'm waiting on a friend to help me get started. How's your neck of the woods?
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Justin, I never did see if a stave ever lived past you ;D? How's everyone else?
I only ever had yours. ;D
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Chris...wont be sendin mullets any time soon :-[....Brian
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I heard er... read. wasn't Mullet's vine maple? If you need a stave I still have some i got from 330 Bull.
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Nope, it was osage. It had been heated and super glued into submission severel times by me and Pappy. :D Funny thing is that it was the limb that was pristene that blew..feel bad about it but I got to admit....IT WAS SO COOL...in an Oh##$! sorta way!! :o
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Brian, since Pappy started it maybe you should send him a PM. Ill bet he could find another piece of Osage and you could bribe him into starting another and sending it to you. I hear he has a couple of staves at his place. ::) Justin
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Man I am lost on this,I don't have any of the bows and like Pat haven't seen any in months.
I just been waiting to see what was going on.Has there been some broken,we need to
try and figure out who has what and what we need to get thing back on track.All I know
for sure is I have passed about 3 along and mine. ???
Pappy
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Pappy, I was part of the hold up. I have two that are going out to Justin in the next few days. Keenan
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I have two that are going out to Justin in the next few days. Keenan
OH NO!!!! That could be bad. :o >:D
Pappy Brian had a little disaster with Mullets. I think you started it didn't you? Ill send you a PM. Justin
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Ya Pappy I had a little accident with Mullets bow....ironically it wasnt the crazy limb that blew. No repairing without a Z-splice( which I havent done yet) ;D. So I guess we need to get another one goin...however that works.....that way Mullet wont be as inclined to ninja kick me at the Classic! :o....Brian(cannon fodder)D.
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Ya Pappy I had a little accident with Mullets bow....ironically it wasnt the crazy limb that blew. No repairing without a Z-splice( which I havent done yet) ;D. So I guess we need to get another one goin...however that works.....that way Mullet wont be as inclined to ninja kick me at the Classic! :o....Brian(cannon fodder)D.
Brian, cracked me up. :D Hey we all new of the chances
s of the making it past Jus.., oops. :o It's just a piece of wood. If the crazy limb is workable, I have another good limb from one that blew and a set of take-down sleeves. ;D
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Hey we all new of the chances of the making it past Jus.., oops. :o
Hey now, ;D ;D ;D
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Now Eddie, You have a lot of room to talk. :o If it weren't for Pappy, my white oak bow would be history...by the way, where is my white oak bow that Pappy fixed? ??? Pat
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Koan do you need a stave or are you going to fix that one ? If you need one let me know
and I will see what I can come up with. :)
Pappy
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I've got Justin's and Keenan's, hoping to send them along soon.
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Pat I got yours...thats the one I run my finger thru the saw with..lol...NOT! Gettin ready to send it on to Chris. Pappy, im gonna dig and see what I can come up with this weekend, I will let you know, thanks....Brian
p.s.....Sorry Justin...I tried to take some of the heat from ya ;)
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Brian, If you got blood on it you are doing better than me this year! >:( Pat
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Pat, me and the boy goin huntin in the mornin...our season ends Jan. 15...runnin out of time. :-\ Im takin the one you made and knapperderg takin the one Matt (huntersim) gave him at Mojam a couple yrs. ago- he is alot better shot than me ;) But...he aint never stared down an arrow at a deer before. There are still some deer in rut right now, I guess some of the does didnt get bred yet??? kinda unusual...should be pretty much done but the bucks dont think so ;)....Brian
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You must be shooting the leopard skin bow well. I hope you are successful. 8) Our season is over! :( I'm already planning for next years season. ;D
I was at Cade's Cove in the Great Smokies a few years ago in March and there were 2 bucks that still had antlers and they were chasing does. They don't do that unless it is for real.
Take some "doe n heat" with you. ;) Pat
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Ya well I'll have to find a volunteer ;) :D ;D lol.....Brian
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Good news..just successfully finished my 1st W-splice on Mullets bow....Bad news is its straighter than the original! :D Now...how the heck do you tiller one limb?? ;D Thankyou Gary Davis for lettin me pick your brain..again and thankyou Roger for posting the how-to, it worked great!....Brian
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?????, should I have debarked the new limb before glueing it together? ;)...Brian
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PICS! ;D Pat
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Gotta barrow a camera.....Brian
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Well, after studying Mullets broken limb, it might have been because of the spring growth ratio( couldnt be my lack of ability). But...upon studying the new limb I spliced on I discovered that it has way more spring growth than it should also...almost 50/50. :( how can I get around this? Will rawhide help, or should I just tiller it and see?....Brian
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Anybody?????
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??? ??? ???
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I have another stave. :o
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would it be a waste of time to mess with this one I have?
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Its never a waste of time to build a bow! ;) I have used osage with 50/50 early/late wood. It might take a bit of set but it is still strong....usually. ;D Pat
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Pat, I would have felt better bout it if'n ya hadnt a thrown in that cheesy grin :D. It would just break my heart if my first W-splice was wasted. :'(....Brian
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I've worked the same kind of Osage. I still think there is no bad Osage. I'd take a heat gun,reflex it to offset the future set, and toast the hell out of the belly.
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Alrightythen...I'll give it a go...and after the Dr. is done with my stiches,...I'll start another one.lol....Brian
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Alrightythen...I'll give it a go...and after the Dr. is done with my stiches,...I'll start another one.lol....Brian
That is the kind of dedication we want to see. Justin
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...usually! ;D It's wood , ain't it? Pat
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Well I got Mullets bow re-floor tillered, put back on the caul, and cooked the heck out of it...gonna let it stay on the caul tonight, hit it again tomorrow...Brian
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Brian, If you heat treated the belly you might want to give it a few days to rehydrate or you might be doing it all over again. ;) Pat
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Thanks Pat, I kinda was thinkin that too....now what am I gonna do tomorrow?....Brian
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Start a new bow!!! ::) Pat
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Go buy duc tape or start practising sewing :D
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Brian, Hows the hand. And Hillbilly, Turkey season is almost here. You making any progress?
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Hands fine Eddie, that happened awhile back...got lucky....Brian
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Just checking in. Like to keep us on the first page so its easier to check. Anybody made any progress lately?
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I scraped on Justin's some yesterday. I've been making a bunch of arrowshafts for a trade, that's been using up most of my free time lately. I'm hoping to spend next weekend getting Justin's tillered and shipped on. I've been slow as Christmas on this one, just had too much life going on lately, but things are starting to look better. Who has what bows now? I have Justin's in the process of tillering, and I have Keenan's also.
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I'm still sitting on two that need to go out to Justin. I had to get caught of on the work load and a few bows that were long overdue. Then I had this brilliant Idea of starting a buildalong on a near impossible stave,, ::) ::) ::)But starting to see some daylight.
Did I mention that I am often very ADD. Keenan
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I don't have anything,had almost forgot about it.I sent out 3 or 4 right off and haven't seen anything since.I sent Pat's - Hillbilly's - and Mullets on and an Osage of mine.2 were tillered and mullets roughed out and floor tillered.That's all I know of. :) I think I sent them to Koan. :)
Pappy
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Got Pats and Hillbillys done, havent sent them on yet..Still workin on Mullets...really taking my time...a little gun shy, or is that bow limb shy ;)...Brian
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I'm the same as Pappy. I have about another week before Spring Turkey. Between guiding and killin' I want be doing much bow building.
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Spring ::) that ain't few a few months yet >:(
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Well.......after much heatin, bendin, scrapin, scratchin,scrappin, kickin, screamin, cussin, fussin, and last but not least...alcohal buzzin...Mullets bow is tillered!!!! Wow, this thing kicked my butt on several occasions. I wont be posting any pics cuz thats when the last limb broke :P. I stopped at 50# @ 25" and left the tips thick and with some width so the next feller (Chris) could do what he wants with em. Eddie, I think you were wantin 55# @ 26.5. Is that right? Never mind, Im sendin this cursed frankenstien of a bow on :P ::) :D....Brian
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Ok, got that off my chest. ;D All jokes a side, Eddies stave has taught me more about bow biuldin than all my other bows combined.
1. learned what its like when a bow blows dramatically (thanks eddie, you owe me some new shorts)
2. learned how to do a w-splice, when the bow blows dramatically (thanks eddie)
3. learned how to heat treat a belly, when the bow blows dramatically and you w-splice on a new limb that has a high ratio of spring growth (thanks eddie)
4. learned that tiller sometimes has very little to do with lookin good( you'll see)
5. learned that I still need to learn alot more
6. and lastly....osage is better( thanks RyanO)
Brian ;D
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The limbs don't have the same braced profile but they come together during draw??? Shoots awesome even with oversized tips. This stave has definitely put me to the test....ENDEAVER TO PERSEVERE....Brian
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Glad to hear you are back on course,You have them kind from time to time.
They do teach you alot.Can't wait to see it.What else you got ? I know there
are some more out there somewhere. :)
Pappy
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Pappy, got Hillbillys vine maple, and Pats oak/hic also...gettin ready to send em on....Brian
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I haven't seen any part of any bow in months. Ain't I sposed to be doing something on one or two? ??? Pat
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I haven't seen any part of any bow in months. Ain't I sposed to be doing something on one or two? ??? Pat
Patience is a virtue Pat. ;) I promise to get one sent to you here shortly. Justin
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I think its beyond patience not. What was it we were talking about? ??? Pat
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Brian, that's funny. Maybe if everybody that's sitting on a pile of wood brings it to Pappy's we can make some progress. One thing, By the time they are done ,the wood will be cured for sure. And we might be too old to shoot them.
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;D ;D ;D
Pappy
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Hey Brian, goy anything for me????? Just checkin ;D
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Man I had clean forgot about this,I got a nice piece of Osage floating around somewhere. ???
Pappy
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Hopefully not floating in salt water. ::) Oops, did it again, quick....change the subject....What's cooking Pappy? ;D
Mike
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Ya I bet that is it. ;D ;D ;D ;D Lots of set and salt water ,that will do it. :) ;)
Pappy
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Yup Chris, I got some to send ya. I'll give ya a call...Got to bury my Grandpa this weekend and got family comin in from all directions for a few days....Brian
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Sorry to hear that Brian. A part of me was lost when mine past away.
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Eddie, he was my step Granpa, but never thought of it that way. My Grandma was lucky enuff to have 2 great men in her life....Brian
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Sorry for your loss Brian. Family is family!!! I'm a step dad but know I'm the Preferred Dad! ;) Pat
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Sorry about your loss Brian. I never knew either of my Grandpas. They died when my parents were young. My kids never knew my parents either. Justin
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Ya have my condolances also, been so long since I've had parents let alone grandparents that I'm not sure what it feels like anymore :'(
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Thanks guys, everything is calming down now. Only sad for Grandma. My Grandpa didnt leave anything undone...everything he wanted to do or try, he did. He was the guy who would haul off your junk then make something cool and useful out of it. Most of all, he was the only one who didnt think I was crazy when I started makin wood bows and even cut and split some hickory staves for me...think its time I made a bow from it.
I think Im gonna bring mullits bow to the classic to get some advice, just not happy with it.....Brian
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Hey Brian, Happy Birthday
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Thanks Eddie :D, thats 2 people who remembered :o.....Brian
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Happy b'day Brian ! Remember yer not gettin' better just older ! >:( :D :D Send me a pm with yer addy I got somethin' fer ya we talked about !...............bob
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Thanks Bob...I think :D. Sent ya a pm....Brian
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Happy Birthday Brian. ;D ;D ;D Justin
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Thanks Justin, this is my last B-day, I refuse to turn 40. :o.....Brian
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Birthdays dont make you older. Stop having them and you just quit getting presents. Justin
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;D :o
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40 is a cake walk. Wait til you are looking down the barrel of 60. :o Pat
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Pat, dont talk bout lookin down a barrel...Gettin ready to head down south...dont want to give them fellers any ideas :o....Brian
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Brian, do like us Suthern boys, bring your own barrel.
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Wow! I got to see my Osage yesterday. I couldn't believe how it looked. Kinda like an old man that had aged faster than others. :-\ ;)
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Didn't get to see mine,don't know where it went,someone may have cooked Brats with it. :) ;D
It ought to be well seasoned by now,it was 3or4 years old when I sent it out. :) Happy late
birthday Brian,nothing to 40 I'm with Pat.You are right Mullet most of us old sourthen boys do have our on barrel.Never leave home without it. ;) Bad people everywhere. :)except maybe here. :)
Pappy
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I'm starting 4 tens at work in a couple weeks, so I'll have an extra day off. ;D ;D ;D Maybe I can get caught up on some stuff, this project especially.
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Man I would like 4 10s come to think of it I would like 3 8s better still. ;D No hurry on mine
wherever it is,I have plenty to shoot. :)
Pappy
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Well, been laid off for 3 weeks...had big plans to get these goin again till Mom got sick. Moms doin good now and Im goin back to work on Jan.5 but still need to get this kickin again...everyone remember where their at...
Brian=I got eddies, hillbillys, and pats..
Where are the rest of them at?
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I have Agbowyers. I just need to send it to Pat.
Glad to hear mom is doing good and that you are going back to work. ;)
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I have Justin's and Keenan's.
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That just leaves Pappys, right???
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I think Keenan has Pappy's?
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H#$$ I had clean forgoten about that.I don't have any bodys.I got a few to start with
but ant seen any in almost a year. :) I haven't seen Agbowyer on in a while. ??? anyone
heard from him ?
Pappy
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Pappy, I think this talk of The Friendship Bow is just a yearly tease. ::)
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;D ;D ;D Glad I wasn't counting on it to hunt with,there is only a week left. ;) ;D ;D
Pappy
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checked back to page 1, it's been 3 years. ;D
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Havent heard from Agbowyer, but he was logged on in December.
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The bow's wood should be well seasoned!
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2 yrs Eddie ;D..but whos counting ;D...keep thinkin if I stare at yours long enuff, it will get better,lol....Brian
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Hey I was wondering if I could get in on this fun, should I send a stave to the dead letters post office
it might get done faster than you guys ;) :D
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Yes i have Pappy's and another one. Going to have to dig back through the notes and remember what is what ::) Sorry guys. I'm trying to get back in the game here. Don't lose hope! By the time we get our bows we will have forgot what the original stave looked like and it will be a bigger surprise. ;D
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The only reason I remembered bout these is becuz I was thinkin bout huntin hogs...then I remembered that Agboyer was gonna try and hook us up with a group hunt when we were done...man, I might never get to hunt hogs......... ::)... ;D....Brian
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Hmmm,, 3 litters a year x two years?? You'll just have more to shoot at now. If you don't get too old. ;D
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Wow! Thats alot of pork!
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Just flock shoot them Brian.
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Eddie's just worried because he's really old and might not last much longer....;D
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Eddie's just worried because he's really old and might not last much longer....;D
ouch!!! It isn't older it is wiser. O:)
Eddie is one of the wisest people I know. :-X
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In that case, I may be wiser than all of you bozos! ;D
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I not too old that I can't see good enough to hit what I'm shooting at. ;D :-*
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;D
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wow, just read the entire post, please finish these bows or at least put up some pictures of where they are at!!!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Keith, good thing we are all friends. This kind of apathy can really put a strain on a friendship. ;D
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i know!!! its stressing me out and i don't even have a piece of wood involved :} sure seems like you guys are having fun though, and i personally enjoyed watching bowyers i have an awful lot of respect for troubleshoot and ,cough cough, break a couple of bows :} good to know im not alone when i scratch my head and say things like, "it shouldn't have done that" lol
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Keith, where we went wrong was we decided we didn't want anyone to feel rushed so we didn't put a time frame on anything. We didn't even get in a hurry to start.
Well we succeeded. Nobody will feel rushed around here. ;D
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The way it should be :D
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That is for sure,and it ant like that is the only piece of wood or bow we have. I counted the other day and I think I have somewhere around 30 that either has been or ready to hunt and shoot.So
I truly ant in no hurry. ;) :)
Pappy
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wow, 30 bows, ahh one day i too will have that many, if i can quit givin em to people. i already got a few that aren't even staves yet that i got to give away. ohhh well ;D
got to say the one thing tht does blow me away is when i hear poeple say, "tillered this one last night" that part takes me the most time. sometimes up to a month of couple nights a week. i guess more experience will help there, but just reducing the wood takes me forever to scrape. glad this isn;t a race!
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I give a lot away also but decided a few years back when it got close to hunting season
and I didn't have a good bow to hunt with that I wasn't going to give them all away,so I keep a few each year and hunt with them and if I really like them I keep them for later use.It takes
me a bout a week usually to tiller a bow.I will do it in 3 or4 sessions over a week or so.I guess I could do it quicker but when I get to that point I ant in any big hurry and I like to let them rest in between.They seem to take less set, at least for me doing them that way. :) I try and never
give one away before it is made,Don't need no added pressure,this is relaxing to me and I want to keep it that way. :) :)
Pappy
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I'm like Pappy when it comes to a bunch of bows. I have over 30 also. but a lot of them are Glass Bears and Pierson's. I have 8 or 9 wooden ones right now, just gave away 2 last week and 1 a month ago. I also have one I've been tillering for 4 months, guess I'm not in a hurry either.
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well, including my glass bows i guess i have about 8 or so, but that still ain;t no thirty ;D
There is no pressure in the bows i have given away that aren't started yet, cause the people they are going to have no idea. just seemed to me like they deserved a real bow, and when i get home i aim to make em one :}
my dad knows about his, cause he had a young buck rubbing a tree that he shot with his pistol this year. he marked the tree and saved the antler, so there is my bow and tip overlays right there! that will be neat. no pressure though since i made him one before i left.
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You have probably said but where are you at,armymedis2 ?
Pappy
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im in baghdad at the moment pappy.
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Be careful and Thanks for you service. :)
Pappy
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Thanks for showing how to build bows ;)
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Haha, I just made it through this whole post after about an hour and it sounds like you guys have had a lot of fun just doing this whole thing. I don't want to sound forward but I feel like I kind of know you guys a bit just from reading through your posts and I hope that through all the trials over the past two years you find this message in a good place in your lives. I don't know if you ever finished off the bows, but if you did do you have pics up anywhere? Even if you didn't finish them off I think this was a great experiment.
Anyone who is interested in doing this I would really like to try it (I haven't made very many bows, but I am sure I can break them as good as Justin did :P, just teasing you man). Even if the group is on a smaller scale, say 4-6 people in a circle, so that the pass off is a little less confusing? I think a list would definitely be a good idea of things you could or should do, since there are certain things that need to be done first and last. It must have been sort of hard to come up with a list for you guys because you sort of have to adapt the way your making a bow according to how the wood is talking to you though. Anyway just my thoughts and thanks for posting this it was a really good read and I had fun going through all the back and forth conversations.
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;D ;D ;D ;D
Pappy
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Redlance, I wouldn't mind seeing a picture of what they look like now, I forgot what I sent off. ;)
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some friends! sheesh!!! ::)
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Alright... has everyone located their bows for this thing, lol.... i got Eddies, Hillbillies, and PatBs ready to go.... still waitin to find out where the rest are before movin em down the line....anyone got news?... Brian
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I think Justin and Hillbilly, and maybe Keenan has some? I bet they have some good patina on them. ::)
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I only have one. I was going to give it to Pat at the classic, but I didn't make it again. I guess Ill mail it to him.
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No I don't have any,I got 3 or so when we started a few YEARS back and done what I was to do
on them and sent them on,to somebody,don't even remember who now. ??? There was someone in OK. in it at the start ,I think.Guess I need to go back and read this thread. ;) :)
Pappy
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I've only been able to mess up Pat's since the start and I sent it to Pappy to fix. ;D I'm pretty sure Keenan has some and Hillbilly, maybe two?
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Boy! I had totally forgotten about this bow trade. I do remember Eddie messing mine up and Pappy fixing it. I don't think I have one here.
Maybe it is time to start another trade!
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Okay, I am lazy and don't wanna search back these 50 some-odd pages... ::) how does this thing work? I would like to participate in one. :)
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Josh, I'd wait and see if this kinda trade works first. ;) I'm sure Steve has two that is supposed to come to me next.
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LOL will-do, Eddie. ;D
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This does sound like fun! Josh, maybe we can start a friendship bow for lefties (I think your a lefty if I remember from the Classic ??? ) ;D
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yep, Ole southpaw... just like you, Jeff. ;D
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Well since Brian resurrected this I went back and read 30 pages, it was fun reliving my youth. ;D But, I think I might have sorted this out, hillbilly has 2, Brian has 3, Keenan has 1, and Justin has 1, and I think there is a broken one out there somewhere. Pat, Pappy and myself haven't seen one since 2007 and Chris, "agbowyer" hasn't been heard from in years.
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aM I too late? whos next what do I do here? LOL kinda feel left out and like Josh not going back 50 pages... Well Im here willing and able let me know!
Russell
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As you can see, Russel, we are trying to resolve the trade from 2007. ??? Out of sight, out of mind! ;D
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Good lord, I had forgotten completely about this thing. I's ashamed. I think I have Justin and Keenan's bows somewhere. Sounds like Brian has three, so how many more are MIA?
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There were only 8 bows to start.
Pat B.
Hillbilly
Mullet
Pappy
Koan
Agbowyer
Bornagainprimitive
Justin Snyder
I have Agbowyers, but he has been MIA for over a year, last I heard he was moving. If Brian has 3 and Steve has 2 that only leaves 2 MIA. I'm sure Kennan has at least one.
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Haven't heard from bornagainprimitive in a while either. I had gave up on this a long time ago.
Wouldn't mind finishing it up sometime.
Pappy
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Keenan has the other two.
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If this ever gets finished somebody needs to write a story.
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;D
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If this ever gets finished somebody needs to write a story.
and how long would that take ::) ;D
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Maybe we could each write a paragraph........
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...and pass it on to the next person ::)
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Hey guys, I just turned 60. I don't know if I can wait for the article to come out! ;D
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;D ;D ;D ...this is a great thread... :)
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After Brian brought this back up again, I feel like I did when I was 16 and first chasing girls. :P You can think and wonder about it, but it sure is a challenge to hold and look at. ;D :'(
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;D ;D ;D I would just like to have that nice piece of Osage back,It should be wellllllll seasoned by now. ;D ;D
Pappy
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Haha, I read this string all the way through when I first came onto this forum good to see friendship bows last so long :) Are you guys trying to revive this one or are you just trying to figure out if the bows have started growing back into trees yet?
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You Guys are killin me, lol... sorry, i aint been on much lately so im out of the loop.... the problem i have is im sposed to send mine to Chris aka Agbowyer... i have his # if its still good... will try to call him later today and see whats happenin with him... the best stave i ever had is floating around somewhere with this, lol... Brian
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Last I talked to Chris he was moving and wasn't planning to get internet. The phone number I had isn't good any more so hopefully you will have better luck than me.
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The first community bow sort of turned me off such things as this, nothing against Dano for what happened though.
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Yeah, I made a nice leather back quiver with elk fur trim for that first Community Bow project. It disappeared never to be seen again! ::) >:(
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Yea, I was involved in that one, too.
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Yeah, I made a nice leather back quiver with elk fur trim for that first Community Bow project. It disappeared never to be seen again! ::) >:(
That's odd, I made a Birch bark quiver for it as well
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I had some arrows in it.
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Did anyone even get a tshirt after going through all this ;D ;D ;D
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I think there were about 2 dozen arrows made along with the bows, quivers and other stuff that went up in a Tornado. ::)
Brian, send me the bow that was supposed to go to Agbowyer and I'll finish it.
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I think I was in that also,just been to long to remember. ;) ;D ;D Do we know where all these staves are now. ???
Pappy
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Was that the one with the sinew backed osage bow with a tanned boa or python skin on it? I did the tip work on that bow. That was my first Community Bow project.
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What do you guys need to finish this off? I'm no pro but if I can help I'd be happy to lend a hand and see it finished. I think it would be a good ending to this story anyway if anyone who wanted to help threw in what they could and then see the results.
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Thanks for the offer Michael but if we added more people to this mix I'm afraid it would end up being a few more years in the making. ;D Fortunately most of us are friends and understand these things. It will work out....eventually! ::)
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No it wasn't that one Pat. It was the first community bow put out and it was a Hickory bow made in a Mohegan style. I tillered the bow out and made a Birch bark quiver for the project, I think Jamie made some arrows for that project. Dano's (Darren Higginson) marriage fell apart while he had all the parts, he was going to send them off to PA, and that was the end of that. He came back on a few years later, explained and apologized and then disappeared again. I still have some pictures of the bow and quiver kicking around someplace
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That's the one I made arrows for also. That was when I first came on the site. I remember his last excuse was a tornado hit his storage shed where everything was at. Then he just disappeared.
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Maybe the tornado was his ex ;D
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Marc, the hickory and original shape was done by Hillbilly and I did the heat bending. I have pics of what I did on that bow and a finished pic. The finished bow had coral snake skin tips that Eddie put on. That was a very cool bow and set.
I know I sent the back quiver to Dano(not our beloved Dano of today's PA) and it seems it was eaten by the hurricane too. ::)
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Marc, the hickory and original shape was done by Hillbilly and I did the heat bending. I have pics of what I did on that bow and a finished pic. The finished bow had coral snake skin tips that Eddie put on. That was a very cool bow and set.
I know I sent the back quiver to Dano(not our beloved Dano of today's PA) and it seems it was eaten by the hurricane too. ::)
You know I think I remember that, not the snakeskin part though. I just tillered the bow out and shaped the nocks
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Pat, that bow was auctioned off at the NWTF Bandquet. PA had an article on it, Marc tillered it. The one Marc and I are talking about was quite a few years ago and If I remember was supposed to have gotten auctioned at MOJAM.
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Pat, that bow was auctioned off at the NWTF Bandquet. PA had an article on it, Marc tillered it. The one Marc and I are talking about was quite a few years ago and If I remember was supposed to have gotten auctioned at MOJAM.
Me? Wow, don't remember that one
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Pat, the Cayuga bow with the coral snake tips and all that set wasn't the one that got tarnadered. It was auctioned at MOJAM. I wrote the articles in the mag about it and the last one. The last one we did was the sturgeon-backed guava and set, it was auctioned at the NWTF. I don't remember what kind of bow the first one that got lost was, maybe osage? I just remember I made some sourwood arrows for the set.
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Dang, forgot about the Guava one. ???
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Told Ya ....Your getting OLD........ ;D
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The first community bow was a Hickory Mohegan style bow. I don't remember who supplied the stave or who roughed it out but I do have pictures of the bow when I got it. Here is a picture of the bow when I first got it along with a braced picture of it after I had shaped the tips and started tillering it out. The other picture is a full draw of the bow after I had finished tillering it out. I'll see if I can find a picture of the quiver
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This is the quiver I made. Someone was going to finish decorating it but I don't remember who. I wonder where all this stuff went to
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man who ever ended up with it all
sure got some cool stuff
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Marc, that was the second community bow that was auctioned off at MOJAM. I cut and split that stave and roughed it out, Pat bent it, and you tillered it. We made it pretty much a replica of a Cayuga R/D out of Hamm & Alleley's Encyclopedia-the one with the black handle and red tips. I wrote an article about that bow set in the Summer 2006 issue of PA. That's not the first community bow that Dano lost, I don't remember what it was except that I made some arrows for it. That quiver is the one that went with that first lost set. You made another birchbark quiver for the one that went with the Cayuga bow, and Pat put mink fur around the top of it.
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You sure Steve?
For some reason I seem to remember a sinew backed Osage bow that Chris Tindall, don't remember his handle now, donated. Maybe that was the first one?
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I think that was it, Marc. Chris went by BowKinn or BK on the old board. Wonder whatever happened to him?
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Yea, that was the first one. The one lost in the tornado. I think all total there was about 2 dozen arrows made for it.
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I think that was it, Marc. Chris went by BowKinn or BK on the old board. Wonder whatever happened to him?
Yes Bowkinn was his member name. Chris registered here a couple months ago, sent me a PM then disappeared. Haven't heard from him since then
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Here is the hickory Cayuga bow with the coral snake skin tips. Adding deflex in the handle ans recurving the tips. All done with a heat gun and olive oil. I don't have a pic of the finished bow.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/HPIM1188.jpg)
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Man those are some great looking bows that's to bad that they all disappeared :( :'( :'(
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Michael, that last one didn't disappear, it was auctioned off at Mojam a few years ago.
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Anyone interested in getting another one started up? Or anyone for me to jump in on one? Thanks.
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Stingray, you are welcome to jump in on this one if you aren't in a hurry. ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ::)
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::) ;D
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;D ;D ;D ;D Nope,you can jump in but you may be the only one :) and like Eddie said ,you ant in any hurry. ;) ;D ;D
Pappy
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These bows are in the Twilight Zone. About once a year their whereabouts pops up for a little Teaser, then they disappear again. :-\ Maybe we can pass them on in our Wills and let our kids finish them. ;)
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Haha, I think your right Mullet every time I forget about this thread someone else leaves a reply and I notice it in my new replies posts.
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Ha, ha, Yea, Michael. What's this, reply 806# and I haven't seen that stave since 2006? I know it's in Missouri, though. ;D
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Read this whole thread tonite. Great read. keep it going, I am curious now as to how these bows all turn out.
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majsnuff, probably termite dust. ;D
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That would be my guess Eddie. ;) :) :)
Pappy
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Not much termites here, but there is some dust collected on the two bows that are on my bench. ::) However there is hope :o I have been diligently setting short measureable goals each day and those two are in site. My last "New Year" reselution was to complete everything that I started. ::) ::) What could I have been thinking. :o However the good news is that I am actually making progress and doing it. I have finished 4 bows this year and also some smaller projects and got three boxes of promissed goodies out and mailed off last week. :o :o I know somewhere in this world someone just choked on there coffee. Now if I can figure out who's bows these are that I have. ::)
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No rush ;) ;D ;D ;D I wouldn't have a clue ,it has been so long,I know I sent 2/3/4 forward right off when it first started,back when my hair was dark and ant seen anything since. O well it's hunting season and ant got time anyway. :)
Pappy
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No rush ;) ;D ;D ;D I wouldn't have a clue ,it has been so long,I know I sent 2/3/4 forward right off when it first started,back when my hair was dark and ant seen anything since. O well it's hunting season and ant got time anyway. :)
Pappy
Now gosh darn it Pappy,,,,,,Don't be telling me "No Rush" I'm trying to be diligent and those kind of comments are just enabling my general nature of procrastination. ;D ::) On the other hand ,,,,,just think how well seasoned the wood is by now! >:D
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I know Brian,(koan) has one or some?, hillbilly, that has time to go scareing animals at Cade's place this weekend has, maybe, a couple more?
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;) ;D ;D ;D ;D Just like to get things going on this at least once a year. :) :) It all seem to be coming together now. ??? ::) ::)
Pappy
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Come on guys,it's raining and I had some time on my hands. ;) ;D ;D :-[ >:D
Pappy
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Sure would be nice if we could find them all, or even find all of the participants. :-\
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It has been years since I've seen any of the bows. I think Eddie might have one or 3.
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I sure would like to see the one I backed for you Pat.It was pretty wet at that time high in MC, ;) ;D ;D ;DShould be dry by now. ??? ::) That is the only bow I have ever backed , with another piece of wood anyway. :) :)
Pappy
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Maybe you can talk Eddie into bringing them when he comes next month. ;)
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I still have two, Been trying to figure out how they belong to. One of these days when I learn how to make a bow I'm going to give it a try. :o They are still in good shape. I think the dust collecting on them has helped the moisture content. In all seriousness. I think one is Pappy's and the other??? They are both Osage staves and I did get tip overlays on one of them. Maybe I'll blow the dust off the paper work and find out the particulars ::)
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Keenan, Hillbilly and Brian(Koan) have them all. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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this is by far my favorite thread. ;D
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this is by far my favorite thread. ;D
This is real friendship, you don't see anyone here getting pissy over a bow taking a LITTLE longer than it should. ;D
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this is by far my favorite thread. ;D
This is real friendship, you don't see anyone here getting pissy over a bow taking a LITTLE longer than it should. ;D
We are the poster children for Patience >:D O:) Heck now that it's been a few years and several surgeries later I can't remember what the stave was that I sent out anyway, so it just adds to the suspense. At the pace we are going all our bows will look like the Iceman's bows and they will be historical artifacts! :o
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Those osage bows ought to be just about black by now. ??? :)
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Thats why I couldn't find them! ::) They changed color and blended in with the steel,,,,,,,,,,,, >:D
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National Geographic will do a Sunday evening program on the PA Friendship Bows before we ever see them. ??? But what the hey! This has been a fun thread all these many years. Lots of good belly laughs for sure.
If Hillbilly, Koan and Keenan have the bows maybe they can bring them to the Classic next spring(Justin already promised he was coming) and we could have a Friendship Bow Circle and see what these bows actually look like. Maybe it will jar our feeble minds. ;) Raffle them all off at the Classic. I'll take the money if nobody else wants it. ;D
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Pat, I don't think I will make it again next year. I hope to be graduating that weekend.
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Well I guess your school work in more important anyway. We'll miss you again. Maybe you can telecomute! ;)
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Yep ,it has been a fun thread for sure,just had to bring it up again. :) :) I felt so much preasure when I got the bows at the start to get on them and really get them out quick,I now see it really didn't matter,all these gray hairs for nothing ;) ;D ;D ;D no one cares how long it takes. :) If they all get finished the real fun will be over. :) :)
Pappy
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I did too. I was really bummed when I took too much wood off Pat's bow. I guess it turned out to not be that big of Deal? ::)And that's the only bow I got a chance to work on. I was waiting for the two Hillbilly has next. :P ;)
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Allright,,,,,,,,,,,I just roughed out some Cascara so maybe that will get things moving again,,,,,,, :o >:D
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I think the problem started when we said there would be no dates or times on sending to the next guy. Maybe we should have set a 6 month time limit. ;D
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Problem,,,,,,,,,,who said there was a problem? I get to claim that I am the one that added the patina to these two bows :P >:D I learned that if you wait two years on Osage that you can add some really neat scrape marks to the back of the bow and the patina looks just like you left some of the cambium layer. :o
Ps. Justin, Do I ship these to you next ? I think that was the order ::) If so shoot me your mailing info in a Pm again.
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Yes Keenan, it comes to me next. Ill drop you a PM.
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You have got to be kidding,this thing is moving again. :o :o ::)
Pappy
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Someone needs to wake up Steve and Brian then. ::)
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Got some more work done on them Saturday. Should have them in rout to you later is week Justin. I'll send you the tracking numbers when they go out. Then I can sit back and tease you all' >:D
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Got some more work done on them Saturday. Should have them in rout to you later is week Justin. I'll send you the tracking numbers when they go out. Then I can sit back and tease you all' >:D
YOU DA MAN!
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Ok, those two bows are out the door and on the way to Justin. I apologize for the time that it took to get those moving again. I want to thank you all for being so patient with me through the surgeries and termoils that life threw over the last few years. I still should have got to them sooner then this. Just a great testimony of what great people w have here on the forum
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Keenan, if you had gotten them out sooner what would we be talking about now! ::)
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;D ;D ;D
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I got a tube full of bows from Keenan.
Pat, Ill get them done and out to you next.
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After Pat they go to Hillbilly. Well, at least they will all be together except the one that Brian has ::), then to me and then Pappy. :)
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Here was the original list.
Pat B.
Hillbilly
Mullet
Pappy
Koan
Agbowyer
Bornagainprimitive
Justin Snyder
I haven't heard anything from Agbowyer in years, so I sent him a PM. He logged on recently, but didn't post. If we don't hear from him we will just bypass him since I know he has moved at least once since we last heard from him.
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I know he doesn't have any bows. Koan has one and Steve has the others.
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;) ;D ;D ;D ;D nice to look at now and then. ;)
Pappy
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Keenan sent me a few. I was hoping to have them passed on to Pat by the classic, but it isn't going to happen. I should have them there by the end of May though.
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It's only been 6 years! ::) And to think, we are all still friends. 8)
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Yep,Not a problem.Just goofing off, >:D glad I had some other things to work over the last several years. ;) ;D ;D ;D
Pappy
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Yep,Not a problem.Just goofing off, >:D glad I had some other things to work over the last several years. ;) ;D ;D ;D
Pappy
I graduate the weekend of the classic. It has been a long 3 years since I have been trying to fit a 4 year degree in in 3 years. I have a lot of projects that I need to finish. :-\
Pat, Im glad we are still friends. Heck Im glad we are still alive. At least two of us have had heart surgery since we started.
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Heart surgery,back surgery and cancer, and a couple [no name mentioned ] just plane crazy. ;) :) :)Yep we are lucky to still be around,maybe we should put it in or wills to go to our next of kin or kids. Miss Joanie wouldn't want it I feel sure ;) ;D ;D Congrats on the graduation,glad you are about done and I know you are. We will be talking ;) :),I mean thinking about you at the Classic. I know you don't drink but we will toast one up for you around the fire that week. :) :)
Pappy
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Congratulations, Justin. will you be able to get off them hot Utah roofs now?
I'll claim the crazy part Pappy! ;)
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Thanks guys.
Pat, the truth of the matter is I love hot weather in the desert and have no intention to give up roofing completely. Hard work is good for the body and the mind.
Pappy, I think all of us fit the crazy part....
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Thats why I'm still doing landscape maintainance at almost 62. ;) Helps me keep my girlish figure. ::)
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It's only been 6 years! ::) And to think, we are all still friends. 8)
;D ;D :o Friends , yea! we have friends! We have friends!!!! were somebody,,,,,,, "Just plane crazy" somebodies. LOL
Guess it's the ture test of the "friendship circle" The grad kid idea is fine with me. Maybe this will set a record for the longest joint bow building project.
Justin. Congratulations. Don't feel bad it only took about four years to go from me to you on those two bows. ::)
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Started thinking about this thread and realized just how long it has been.
Since this started I have had two bicep surgeries, open heart surgery, intestine surgery with 18 inches of intestine removed, and four back surgeries. 8 major surgeries since starting. If I should continue to fall apart before we complete this venture. I hereby decree my friendship bow to be passed around and shot by every person involved. Thus keeping this going for another six years >:D >:D :o
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This thread is just amazing !
but you folks are starting to sound like me !
when folks ask how many bows do I do a year I tell them its more like how many years does it take me to make a bow!!
Keep it up !
Guy
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Just for fun. ;) ;D ;D
Pappy
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You old kidder, Pappy! ;)
Happy anniversary to you and Miss Joanie. 8)
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This is a way cool idea!! What are the chances of gettin another circle started? Just a thought. ;)
Tattoo Dave
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Dave, we have to end this one first! ::)
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Dave, you're not old enough yet. ;) We were young, when this started.
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To much free time on my hands Pat. ;) :P :) :) :) Right Eddie,my hair was dark ,
I didn't need glasses and could hear when this started. ;)
Pappy
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You guys are funny. Sounds like we should start it while I'm still young ;) Maybe it'll be done by the time I retire.
Tattoo Dave
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Good Idea Dave, ;) ;D the trouble with this is we all agreed we wasn't in any hurry and that's where the trouble started. ;) ;D ;D ;D
Pappy
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Deer season is slowing down for the 7th year ;) ;D ;D so let's bring this back to the top. ;) ;D ;D ;D Should be some well seasoned staves floating around out there somewhere. :)
Pappy
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I'm still patiently waiting! ;)
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A bow circle is a great idea! Shipping might get expensive, though. How many times will we be passing the bows along?
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Deer season is slowing down for the 7th year ;) ;D ;D so let's bring this back to the top. ;) ;D ;D ;D Should be some well seasoned staves floating around out there somewhere. :)
Pappy
Mark, might be dry rotted staves by now ::)A bow circle is a great idea! Shipping might get expensive, though. How many times will we be passing the bows along?
Patrick, by the time you get to shipping them to the next person you'll have plenty of money,, you'll have paid for the kids college, retired, planned and paid for your funeral and at least a couple of trips around the world for you and the Missus.
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Patrick,we thought it was a good idea also, many many years ago,not so sure anymore. ;) ;) Guess you thought this was a new thread,sorry this has been going on for years. ??? ??? :o I seem to have heard somewhere prefection takes time ,I feel sure that is what the hold up is. ;) ;D ;D
Pappy
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Yep, I thought this was starting up again with new folks. Oops. ;D Thanks Pappy.
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With the seasoning those stave have we should be able to see the change in color from each step. :o :o ;D
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Ive been waiting till they were all located again.... Guessin that aint gonna happen, lol... Keenan, i will be sending you a package shortly...
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;) ;D ;D ;D I suspect most have gone by the way side,either lost or mixed up with other stuff,not even sure who was in it that is still active. :) Seems to me their was someone in OK. that dropped of of sight and sort of got things off track. Who knows ,just fun to bring it back up from time to time. :) :) The last one I remember having was Pat's white oak board bow that I put a Hickory back on because of low weight,it should be well seasoned now and may weigh 80 lbs. I sent it out to someone,been to long and don't remember who. ;) ;D ;D
Pappy
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I got that one Pappy....
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Did it pick up any weight over the years,first one I every put a back on,if fact the only one I have every put a wood back on. ;) :) Just wondered,it seemed wet when I got it. :)
Pappy
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Havent checked in a couple years, lol. But it shot like a demon after a few days inda hotbox
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I'm with you guys it has actually been fun having this pop back into reality from time to time. Makes for more suspense and more of a surprise in the end when we can't even remember what stave we sent out,LOL :o
Sound good Brian I'll keep my eyes open and try not to sit on the next one for three years :o ;D
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How do you jump in on this or get a new stave going?
~Barry
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Barry, if you look at the first page you will see we started this back in '06 and the bows still aren't done. Maybe you should wait until after the first of the year and get in the Bow Trade then. ;D
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Haha I took a look back at that Pat. I usually get in the bow trade but I think this would be interesting to do. I'd like to see how the Frankenbows would turn out taking in parts and utilizing skills from different guys and see how they mesh. I was thinking of starting up a new bow circle post in the bow section to see if some of us showing interest recently can get one going.
~Barry
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Go for it! Hope you have better success than we have. ;D
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After seeing the post in Trade section it made me think of this again, >:D fun to dream now and then and to be honest it is storming here this morning and I was just bored. ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Always fun to take a trip down memory lane. :) :)
Pappy
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They didn't show up at the Classic. ???
Pappy
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I didn't see them either and I heard the would be there. The saga continues. ;)
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;) ;D ;D ;D ;D Yep.
Pappy
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Koan was supposed to bring some but didn't. And Steve Parker has three. Pat, go over the mountain and get them and then send them to me. ;D
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This thing is getting about like some of the old gun repairs I used to get involved in!
Do your part and send it to the best person for the next part, time it was done the poor fellow was dead or we forgot whose it was to start with !
Or maybe this is like owning a fishing boat !
You never sell it, just move it to someone else s yard for storage till they get tired of it, then on to the next person !!
Around and around she goes where she stops nobody knows !!!!!
Have fun!
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There was no point in bringin mine cuz Keenan wasnt comin...when i get back home from Humboldt Tenn. they gettin packaged up and sent out....sure wish i knew where mine was... :(
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Well Brian called me yesterday and it looks like the bows are about to be sent to Keenan this week. ::)
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:o :-\ :-\ ;) :) :) :) :)
Pappy
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You guys have a bit of pitbull in ya , dont ya?
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I'm still waiting! ::)
Maybe we should contact the Guiness Book of World Records. We might qualify. 8)
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Pretty sure Guinness doesnt have a "Most tenacious bow circle group" section,could be wrong. 8)
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Maybe it is time to start one! ;)
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Pat; Maybe you can get Steve to bring the ones he has to your Camporama, maybe we can kick start the rest moving. ::) ;D ;)
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I'll send him a PM. Good idea, Eddie.
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Do we even know how many is out there ?? :-\ I was thinking about signing my
intrest in this deal over to my grand kids[which I don't even have yet] but figure
he/she will probably be old enough to shoot and maybe hunt by the time this deal is done. ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
Pappy
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If I ever see mine again I was going to give it to my Grandson ;D. But, there are three log jams ;), one was/is??, Koan, Keenan, and hillbilly. But, I'm not sure about Keenan, I think most of them are in Steve and Brian's shed.
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From Dec 2006 until now. You guys are patient enough that you ought to be making good and aging Scotch!
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I want to write an article if they ever get finished and I think PA should pay double ;D.
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I just PMed Steve(Hillbilly) and CCed Tina asking him to bring the Friendship Circle bow(s) he might have to the camp-o-rama.
Eddie, an article is a great idea. I can see it now...."Patience, the most important tool in a wood bow makers kit ...but these guys are taking it to a whole new level!" ;D
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;) :) Where has Kennan been ? Haven't seen him in a while. :-\Looking forward to seeing the white Oak bow of Pat's.That is the only bow I have ever backed with wood,[ Hickory strip ] seemed it worked out pretty good the best I can remember. :o :-\ ;) :)
Pappy
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Brian told me that bow is the zippiest one out of the ones he has.
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It is Pappy...it really shoots well :-)
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Pat told me two more bows will be on the move this weekend. Hillbilly is taking the two he has to Pat's Camporama.
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Any show up at Pat's ?? :-\ ??? ;) :)
Pappy
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This thread made me feel more normal, I have about 4 bows I promised to send out to people that I have not got around to yet. Evertime I finish one I want to keep it LOL. Going to a mailbox and shipping a bow has to be the hardest work I have ever done!
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I'm with ya Steve,I hate to ship. :) Good to see ya back around,been missing ya. :)
Pappy
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I got 2 bows from Steve(Hillbilly) last weekend. One was Keenans(yew) and the other looks like a hickory pyramid style bow. I'll hold these until we figure out what we're doing. ;)
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The old order was they went from Steve to you, then to me and then Pappy, so he can fix my screw ups. ;D
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Anyone know how many their was to start with,and who is still left in this thing :-\ :-\, seems I had several right off the bat to floor tiller or tiller and that's about all I remember,I know their are some that was in it that we never hear from anymore and haven't for a long while.what about Justin,haven't heard from him in a long time.and seems their was someone in OK.that ant been around in years. :)
I know Pat/Eddie/Steve/Koan/Kennean/Justin/Myself ,who am I forgetting ? Pappy
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« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2007, 10:05:58 am »
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OK the list. If anyone wants to change the order just let me know. I just put them down in the order you posted.
Pat B.
Hillbilly
Mullet
Pappy
Koan
Bornagainprimitive
Justin Snyder
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That's it, with Bornagainprimitive being Keenan.
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The yew bow that I sent on to Pat is Keenan's, and the hickory bow is Justin's, best I can remember. I did something to both of them a long time ago ( ???)-maybe tillered one and roughed one out or some such? I have a vine maple stave floating around out there somewhere.
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Hillbilly, your vine maple is with me(and shes a beauty) soon as im mobile again its headin to Keenan
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Think we've located all but my osage... It was naturally gull wing shape..anyone seen it?
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What about my Osage ??? I don't have any at my place,sent them all somewhere
but can't remember where. :-\ :)
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I know Chris(Agbowyer) dint have any when he dropped off so ours should be floatin around somewhere Pappy...
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I think Keenan has those.
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Good deal. I know keenan tillered mine but lost track after that
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I'll check out the 2 Steve brought me and see where they are in the tillering process. Should I work on both and who do I send them to when done with my part?
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this is cool, the epic saga of the friendship bow circle, we might get to see this thing through to the finish
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Ya bubby if we live to be a hundred. :) ;) We need a slave driver like Pearl to head this thing up. ;) :) Not sure how the list goes Pat. :-\ I know I got yours pretty early on in the process,I think maybe from Eddie,just been to long. :)
Pappy
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Yea, Pappy, they come to me next.
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So these come to you, Eddie? I hope you're not in a hurry. ::) ;) I'll check them out soon.
I don't remember what I've done on any bow. :o
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Pat you know we ant in any hurry,that one is easy to figure out just by looking at the age of this thread. ;) ;D ;D ;D
Pappy
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Maybe we'll all be in the same nursing home by the time we get 'em done, and we can have a shoot out behind the shuffleboard court. We may have to re-tiller them all down to about twenty pounds by then, so our old, decrepit, atrophied muscles can draw them, though. :D
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No hurry on my part, Pat. I've got a full schedule coming up. Pappy's coming gator hunting, then I'm off to Israel, and then Spain and hope I'm back to do some hunting in a cooler climate.
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I'd hate to break protocol anyway, Eddie! ;) No worries about rushing it.
Hey, my wife is older than Isreal. :D
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I would kind of hate to see this end anyway. :) :)
Pappy
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Yep still going. ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
Pappy
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I have 2 of the bows, a yew(Keenan?) and a hickory(Eddie?).
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I have a vinemaple(Hillbilly), a hic/oak(Patb), and an osage(Mullet)... I have been waiting on a word from Keenan to send them on to him.. I havent had any luck reaching him for awhile... Brian
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He's been on Facebook. That's where I saw him last.
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I hardly ever get on fb anymore...
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Anyone know where my Osage is :-\ seems most are accounted for but mine. :(
Pappy
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Pappy, I think Keenan has yours and mine. That would be all of them i think... Brian
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O ,that ant good. He has went under ground. ;) :) :)
Pappy
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How does one get in one this circle? Do you have to be a master bowyer?
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No, you just have to be sure you are going to live a while. ;D Pappy
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How does one get in one this circle? Do you have to be a master bowyer?
You will be by the time you see your bow. ::)
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Thanks for the laughs guys :laugh:
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How does one get in one this circle? Do you have to be a master bowyer?
You will be by the time you see your bow. ::)
Lol your probably right...I would like to get in on this. I have some hackberry thats about dry.
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Timothy, did you go to the first page and see the date? We are still trying to finish this thing up but its not looking good. ;)
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I did see the the date...its been going on awhile. I didn't read all the post though. Are y'all going to try and keep it going?
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Who knows,but I assure the Hackberry will be dry enough before this is over. ;) ;D ;D ;D
Pappy
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Seen the Northern one starting up and thought ,why not just for giggles. ;) ;D ;D ;D
Pappy
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I still have a hickory and a yew Friendship bows. :-\
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This will be 8 years in December :) :) man don't time fly. I don't have any by the way. :)
Pappy
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Send them to me, Pat, I'll work on them and send them down the line.
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Will do Eddie. I'll let you know when I send them. ;)
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Has anyone heard from Keenan? I have 3 to send to him... Brian
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Keenan has been out of touch for quite a while. I sent he and Lulyn an email at Christmas and Lulyn replied saying all is well. ??? I hope it is!
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Keenans is already sitting on some along with Pat and Hillbilly. :)
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Steve gave me the ones I have.
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Im not sure the best way to make it happen but we need to finish this thing.... Brian
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Not sure but I think to many have fallen out over the years for it to work like we planned. Not real sure who is left that is interested in getting it finished up. :)
Pappy