Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Flintknapping => Topic started by: n2everythg on March 06, 2009, 02:03:36 pm
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Can anyone ID these point types for me? These were found in the South East in NC.
I believe that the big one is a gilferd. dont know if that is the correct spelling or not. Is the second smaller one a kirk serrated? it is not pateniaed at all though.
I need to get me some good ID books. If anyone has any suggestions I'd appreciate it. thnks.
N2
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Wade, the big one is likely a Guilford with a broken base. The small one looks like a Palmer or Kirk corner-notched.
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thanks steve.
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Go pick up a copy of "Overstreets price guide for arrowheads" I don't pay attention to the prices but it has lots of photos and discriptions.It's divided into regions of the country and gives dates + - I use it to look up styles and stone used on various point types.
Bone pile
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Their are other books out there but I've only owned and used the Overstreet one, like bonepile said it's great for looking up the types, region's, dates and materials used.
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What type of material on the Kirk?
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Not sure about the big one but Hillbilly nailed that lil one I think. Nice piece.
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thanks guys. I ordered the overstreet guide today.
the material on both is rhyolite.
little grainy on the kirk but pretty smooth textured on the guilferd from what I can tell
later
wade
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Wade, the whole sequence in your area is usually something like Clovis>Hardaway Blade>Hardaway Dalton>Hardaway side-notched>Palmer>Kirk Corner-notched>Kirk Stemmed>Kirk Serrated>Stanley>Morrow Mountain I and II>Guilford>Savannah River>Small Savannah River (Otarre, Iddins)>Badin triangular> Yadkin>Uwharrie>Pee Dee triangular/pentagonal>Caraway, with a few odds and ends like the occasional Halifax or Simpson and such thrown in here and there. We have a lot of the same sequence up here in the mountains, with a few more types like the Early Archaic bifurcated cluster and a few stemmed Early Woodland point types added to the mix. A lot of the points are the same thing from the same time period, but called different names in different areas.
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Dead on the money with the I.D. Steve. That Palmer is sweet. They are usually very well made points too. I found one about 20 years ago that is still sharp enough to hunt with. I can't tell from the picture about the Guilford base. I found a few that look pretty rough, but they are whole. Here is a picture of some I found in Granville County, the bigger Palmer in the center is the sharp-well made one.
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a257/hardawaypoints/Points/Open060.jpg)
Jim