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Main Discussion Area => Flintknapping => Topic started by: ozy clint on March 09, 2009, 10:02:36 pm

Title: show me what point would you use to shoot a water buffulo?
Post by: ozy clint on March 09, 2009, 10:02:36 pm: i'm in need of some ideas on point design & material for use on water buffulo. i'm thinking of something about 1" wide, about 300-400gr. also i'm thinking of hafting it so that the wood of the shaft runs up closer to the tip for extra support. rounder point for extra strength at the tip. scalloped a bit to allow more shaft material at the haft.

anyway show me your ideas. and yes i'm serious. check out my thread on the hunting forum. thanks.
Title: Re: show me what point would you use to shoot a water buffulo?
Post by: piper on March 09, 2009, 10:40:04 pm: I kinda like my 45/70 with a 405 gra. hollow point
Title: Re: show me what point would you use to shoot a water buffulo?
Post by: mullet on March 09, 2009, 10:54:38 pm: I'll get a picture up tomorrow.
Title: Re: show me what point would you use to shoot a water buffulo?
Post by: stickbender on March 09, 2009, 11:45:20 pm: I am with Piper. Cept, I would use a 500 grain solid. ;D ;)
Wayne
Title: Re: show me what point would you use to shoot a water buffulo?
Post by: Timo on March 10, 2009, 08:19:30 am: 1 " ? Gonna have to have a good ridge on it to get to those weights. You are probly gonna have to go with something wider to get the grains up there. I;ll do a bit of thinking on this for ya.

As for material,I'd say that raw Texas would be hard to beat. I love the strength it has,and carries a clean sharp edge.
Title: Re: show me what point would you use to shoot a water buffulo?
Post by: Mechslasher on March 10, 2009, 10:05:58 am: get james parker to make you something out of rhyolite. the last set of arrows i saw him hunt with looked like mini spears with 300-400 gr points up front.
Title: Re: show me what point would you use to shoot a water buffulo?
Post by: jamie on March 10, 2009, 11:55:51 am: not so much the point as the shot. you'll need a quartering away shot . buddy of mine still has the overlapped rib section with his broadhead stuck in it. he was using an 80lb compound and one bounced off at 30 yards. the next stuck in the rib at 20. he finally just waited for the quartering shot and went in behind the ribs. that was one pissed off bull.
Title: Re: show me what point would you use to shoot a water buffulo?
Post by: ozy clint on March 10, 2009, 12:42:52 pm: jamie- are talking about a stone point on an australian water buffulo? you're the 1st person i've heard who has tried it. where in aussie do you live?
Title: Re: show me what point would you use to shoot a water buffulo?
Post by: jamie on March 10, 2009, 12:50:02 pm: im in the us. buddy of mine had the chance to take one on a game ranch in new york of all places.
Title: Re: show me what point would you use to shoot a water buffulo?
Post by: hawkbow on March 10, 2009, 12:55:03 pm: I would use the same points as on elk.. deer ..bear.. 125 grain stone or steel.. smaller points penetrate deeper.. I believe that a well placed shot will kill just the same no matter the size of the point... heavier arrows help some with penetration.. but if a follow up shot is required the distance is usually farther out making for a hard shot getting a really heavy arrow into the kill zone... :o so from experience I will say that two blade points penetrate deeper. and will even bust through bone when a three or four blade will be hard pressed to even cut through the hide.. just my opinion.. ;D Hawk
Title: Re: show me what point would you use to shoot a water buffulo?
Post by: ozy clint on March 11, 2009, 12:36:06 am: pics of what you would use?
Title: Re: show me what point would you use to shoot a water buffulo?
Post by: ozy clint on March 11, 2009, 01:50:50 pm: i'm thinking along these lines........

(http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd349/ozyclint/DSCF1673.jpg)

is it possible to make such a point from texas chert?
Title: Re: show me what point would you use to shoot a water buffulo?
Post by: D. Tiller on March 11, 2009, 02:42:33 pm: Yes! ;D
Title: Re: show me what point would you use to shoot a water buffulo?
Post by: El Destructo on March 11, 2009, 03:34:01 pm: ;D ;) ;D ::)

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Title: Re: show me what point would you use to shoot a water buffulo?
Post by: hawkbow on March 11, 2009, 03:51:07 pm: ;D ;D ;D ;) ;D
Title: Re: show me what point would you use to shoot a water buffulo?
Post by: Cromm on March 12, 2009, 07:41:26 am: Hi,
Are you going to make the stone head yourself or do you want someone to make it for you??
Thanks for your time.
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll229/Cromsbowman/stonehuntingheads003.jpg)
Title: Re: show me what point would you use to shoot a water buffulo?
Post by: ozy clint on March 12, 2009, 11:25:00 pm: i've never knapped but would love to. any points would be greatly appreiciated. even if it is for 'normal game'. i'd love to start hunting with stone. i'll pay for points of course.
Title: Re: show me what point would you use to shoot a water buffulo?
Post by: hawkbow on March 13, 2009, 12:02:15 am: Cromm, did you make those points brother, those are super nice... Hawk
Title: Re: show me what point would you use to shoot a water buffulo?
Post by: D. Tiller on March 17, 2009, 08:23:54 pm: Water or Cape buff?
Title: Re: show me what point would you use to shoot a water buffulo?
Post by: ozy clint on October 30, 2009, 05:56:42 pm: water buff
Title: Re: show me what point would you use to shoot a water buffulo?
Post by: cowboy on October 30, 2009, 08:52:58 pm: I'm with Cromm. The old standard triangular side notched should work on anthing that you get a good shot on. Just depends on the toughnest of the hide of the critter your shootin at and the weight of your bow.

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Title: Re: show me what point would you use to shoot a water buffulo?
Post by: ozy clint on October 30, 2009, 09:47:00 pm: the points on the far left and far right look exactly like the points that woody blackwell kindly gave to me for testing on dead buff.

they are 300gr plus or minus a little. they need to be that heavy to get the total mass up. i'm using douglas fir shafts and with those points i'm looking at a total arrow mass of around 760gr-800gr. this will be shot from my bob lee recurve. 69# at 28". i have already taken a water buff with this bow shooting 890gr carbon arrows.
Title: Re: show me what point would you use to shoot a water buffulo?
Post by: cowboy on October 30, 2009, 10:01:35 pm: If you can get points from Woodey Blackwell, I'd go with that. You aught to do good ;).
Title: Re: show me what point would you use to shoot a water buffulo?
Post by: recurve shooter on October 30, 2009, 10:50:42 pm: well personally i would go with this.

(http://i786.photobucket.com/albums/yy146/ikillgarfish/gatl-5a.jpg)

or if you insist of primative, maby this

(http://i786.photobucket.com/albums/yy146/ikillgarfish/ballista-1.jpg)

with this point

(http://i786.photobucket.com/albums/yy146/ikillgarfish/duros-europa-bolt.jpg)

;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: show me what point would you use to shoot a water buffulo?
Post by: stickbender on October 31, 2009, 03:18:10 am: Dang, Recurve Shooter, I want one of those! Ozzy clint, good luck, and I hope you have a good tree cose by. ;) Those points, especially the more trianglar one with the barbs out past the notces, is the one I would go with. Just my opinion, but I think it would do more damage after entrance, and the animal is running, and the arrow is moving inside, slicing and dicing. Again good luck, and we want pictures! 8)

Wayne
Title: Re: show me what point would you use to shoot a water buffulo?
Post by: ozy clint on October 31, 2009, 03:41:31 am: yeah hopefully i'll get these arrows made up soon and get a chance to shoot them into a dead buffalo. pics will be posted that's for sure.
Title: Re: show me what point would you use to shoot a water buffulo?
Post by: recurve shooter on October 31, 2009, 09:53:42 am: yeah man, serriously, good luck, and be carefull for pete's sake. ;D
Title: Re: show me what point would you use to shoot a water buffulo?
Post by: Justin Snyder on October 31, 2009, 10:37:40 am: I wouldn't hesitate to shoot one with any of those points that Cowboy or Crom posted. Use a heavy bow and don't shoot into the shoulder.

You guys that keep posting rifle amo remind me of the guys that would tell me I couldn't kill a pronghorn with my longbow. They are too fast, or too good of eyesight, or there just not enough cover to get that close. It still bleeds doesn't it? It may be tougher, or bigger. You may need a little more bow and heavy arrows. But last I checked we didn't hunt because it was easy. Do your homework, hunt hard and Get-r-done.
Title: Re: show me what point would you use to shoot a water buffulo?
Post by: stickbender on October 31, 2009, 04:17:01 pm: There you go again Justin, putting the primitive archery, perspective on it. ;D ;D Just what kind of forum do you think this is? ::)
I would love to be able to do what Ozzie Clint is wanting to do. 8) But I Would have a back up plan, just in case the thrill of the chase switched to the Buffalo! :o A .458, with 500 gr. solid bullet, or .416 Rigby, or the venerable .45-70, with a 500 gr. bullet. Solid if I could get it. Or my favorite water, cape buffalo, and elephant gun, the good ol Barret Light .50, semi automatic, with a ten shot clip, and muzzle brake. Shooting a 600 or 700 gr. bullet. Ah, and the T Rex, and the Allosaurus have all gone extinct. Just when we are ready for them. But yeah, it can be done with bow and arrow. Even the extremely sharp eyed antelope. They are curious, and can be brought up close, by playing to their curiosity, or using a decoy, or even mylar on cardboard, reflecting the sage bushes, etc. It was a skill that could be done without mylar, decoys, etc. and it was done by our ancestors, and the Paleo Americans. But it was done because they had no other method. I would still like to have a back up weapon.

Wayne
Title: Re: show me what point would you use to shoot a water buffulo?
Post by: zeNBowyer on October 31, 2009, 08:54:13 pm: This is what I would reccomend

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Post by: El Destructo on November 01, 2009, 12:43:12 am: A Bodkin....Naw I would have to enlist the Talents of one of these Space Age Weapons from a Movie I loved as a teen!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1r0rm9HrpE
Title: Re: show me what point would you use to shoot a water buffulo?
Post by: recurve shooter on November 01, 2009, 10:06:42 am: Quote from: stickbender on October 31, 2009, 04:17:01 pm

Ah, and the T Rex, and the Allosaurus have all gone extinct. Just when we are ready for them.

the T Rex is still around. ;D thats a nickname for a gun that fires that four bore bullet i showed a pic of. ;D