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Title: another try
Post by: knap_123 on August 03, 2009, 01:27:14 am

hey guys. well i'm starting another attempt at another all solo bow friday.  i  had a nice dry stave and chased a ring on it. and man did it work me. it had a mountain of a knot that i thought i'd never get a solid ring on!(http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l338/knap_123/bow101.jpg)(http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l338/knap_123/bow058.jpg) i got my layouy down next(http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l338/knap_123/bow093.jpg) and after a little work started to get my  bow to statrted showing some(http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l338/knap_123/bow093.jpg) and here i am still scrapeing for hrs on end in the heat on a pile of flint waste thinking " what the hell am i doing out here in this heat with all the mosquitos and yellow jackets buzzing out of the woods"(http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l338/knap_123/bowknot003.jpg)   and for all the sweat i poured out this is what i had to show for my labor.(http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l338/knap_123/bowknot004.jpg)(http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l338/knap_123/bowknot006.jpg) so i woke(http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l338/knap_123/floortillerd002.jpg) up this mourning had my coffe and stated over again. i got it bending floor tillered(http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l338/knap_123/floortillerd002.jpg)(http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l338/knap_123/floortillerd001.jpg)(http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l338/knap_123/floortillerd003.jpg)(http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l338/knap_123/floortillerd004.jpg)(http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l338/knap_123/floortillerd005.jpg) yeah i no, i look smaller in close up pics.LOL  naw this is my little helper. the bow if succesful will be 63" ntn 4"handle 1" wide with 2" fades that are 1 1/2" to midlimb and tapers to 3/4" for now till i get closer to the end then i'll narrow them. i got my fingers crossed on this one and feel good about it so far. the knot worries me a little though. i dont really no how to work one like this, i guess whe i start tillering i need to go up into the knot to prevent a stiff spot on the limb huh? also i want to flip the tips, wouald this be a good time to so?

Title: Re: another try
Post by: Del the cat on August 03, 2009, 05:42:55 am

Lookin' good.
There is no 'right' answer. I'd suggest doing some initial tillering before flipping the tips.
Say get the it to pull back about 4-5" (using a long string), but at your final target weight? That way you'll be able to see how it is bending near that knot.
Once you have it back that far, everything starts happening a bit quick, so it's a good point to stop and do some thinking anyway! ;D
Out of interest, I'd have tried to get that centre line running straight down both limbs (or as near as possible) to avoid the bow trying to twist in the hand, mind you a lottle offset like that can give you a near centre shot, and as the bow comes back it will tend to sort itself out.
Have fun, it's good to have a little helper, mine came field shooting with me yesterday, she's as big as me now and was shooting one of my 40lb Hazel bows :)
Good luck, that's a pretty looking stave.
Del

Title: Re: another try
Post by: Pappy on August 03, 2009, 07:32:57 am

I would leave it a little stiff through the knot and if it all goes well and you are sure you want to flip the tips I would do it after it was shot in.I always do it last and then tweak the tiller a little if needed.
most times it won't need much. Looking good so far. :)
   Pappy

Title: Re: another try
Post by: George Tsoukalas on August 03, 2009, 08:52:05 am

What Pappy said. :) Jawge

Title: Re: another try
Post by: knap_123 on August 03, 2009, 09:46:35 am

thanks pappy, i'll do that  i'm wanting a 55# bow that i can just shoot for fun.

Title: Re: another try
Post by: Dano on August 03, 2009, 10:30:42 am

I agree with Pappy, nothing wrong with leaving that area with the knot a little stiff, get it bending too much and you may have problems. Enjoy your little helper now, it won't be long she'll grown and gone.

Title: Re: another try
Post by: knap_123 on August 06, 2009, 07:57:37 pm

i gota chance to work on this bow today and stemed in some reflex at the handle. then i strung it in r(http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l338/knap_123/REFLEXINBOW004.jpg)eflex to set for awhile.  i'm a little concerened i might have a little bit more bend in the left fade. will this be a problem? shouald i take a little out or go with it?(http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l338/knap_123/REFLEXINBOW003.jpg)

Title: Re: another try
Post by: Dano on August 06, 2009, 08:10:53 pm

Yeah, I'd take some of that out. You would have been better off to steam it an clamp it to a form. I would dry heat the reflex out of the left limb, the right looks ok.

Title: Re: another try
Post by: knap_123 on August 06, 2009, 08:14:09 pm

thanks, how long wouald suggest before i attempt this?

Title: Re: another try
Post by: Dano on August 06, 2009, 08:29:57 pm

Depends on how long since you steamed it, I would let it dry before I used dry heat, to prevent checking, but since you steamed it, you could steam it again and remove some of the reflex.

Title: Re: another try
Post by: knap_123 on August 06, 2009, 08:36:05 pm

thats what i'll use, i seem to have better results with steam

Title: Re: another try
Post by: Del the cat on August 07, 2009, 04:32:58 am

Maybe just some localised steam and it will relax out a tad on it's own?
That's just idle musing so terms and conditions apply contestants must be over 18 etc :)
Del

Title: Re: another try
Post by: knap_123 on August 16, 2009, 06:40:37 pm

ok i got this bow to brace height at 5" and its pulling at 19" around 45lbs. i want 27" about 55#(http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l338/knap_123/brace003.jpg)(http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l338/knap_123/brace005.jpg)  whats it look like i need to do?

Title: Re: another try
Post by: Pat B on August 16, 2009, 06:46:44 pm

Stay away from the fades and work more from before mid limb out.

Title: Re: another try
Post by: Jesse on August 16, 2009, 10:51:28 pm

That is a crazy knot on that one. Character for sure :o

Title: Re: another try
Post by: Pappy on August 17, 2009, 07:14:27 am

Looking good so far,you done a good job getting over that knot.You also need to be very careful
when stringing one backward like that,if you go to much you will blow out the belly. :) Keep us
updated. :)
   Pappy

Title: Re: another try
Post by: cracker on August 17, 2009, 07:19:40 am

Looks good to me also I'll be interested to see how that knot holds together.Ron

Title: Re: another try
Post by: knap_123 on August 17, 2009, 07:48:11 am

thank guys, and i will be cautious pappy. that was the first time i done that and i was amazed after steaming it how elastic it became even though it was still pretty thick.

Title: Re: another try
Post by: knap_123 on August 17, 2009, 01:44:38 pm

i got at 24" 55# and my tillering gizmo is hardly touching.  hows it look to you? and i still want to go to 27"(http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l338/knap_123/24draw55lbs002.jpg)

Title: Re: another try
Post by: knap_123 on August 17, 2009, 01:47:28 pm

also, i want to flip the tips and need to narrow them .  wouald this be the time to do that or finish the tiller first?

Title: Re: another try
Post by: Dano on August 17, 2009, 05:50:36 pm

Your "gizmo" must be broke ;D That right limb looks stiff about 6" out of the fade. The limb with the knot could stand to bend more too, but with that knot I'd leave it. I'd flip the tips now and finish the tiller, your string is getting close to 90 degs. it sure wouldn't hurt. I wouldn't flip em too much.

Title: Re: another try
Post by: knap_123 on August 17, 2009, 08:30:29 pm

thanks dano, i'll work on those areas some.

Title: Re: another try
Post by: woodstick on August 17, 2009, 08:46:21 pm

i had a knot like that on my head once. hurt like hell. that is gona be a cool bow and looking good so far. keep us all posted.

Title: Re: another try
Post by: knap_123 on August 17, 2009, 08:58:43 pm

(http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l338/knap_123/26draw001.jpg)  i worked on ita little and now i'll flip the tips as suggested. i hope this looks a little better. i think maybe i did'nt have my pencil lead out far enough in the last pic.  its hare tyo keep it in one place for somereason for me.

Title: Re: another try
Post by: richpierce on August 18, 2009, 11:46:22 am

I'd embed a little blade in that knot.  Shoot then when they get close, swipe!

Title: Re: another try
Post by: knap_123 on August 18, 2009, 12:45:54 pm

(http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l338/knap_123/flipyip003.jpg) heres the tips fliped. i'm not to happy with them though. they seemed to have a list twist in them.  i'm sure its because idid'nt use a caul and just bent them on the kitcken floor till cool and strung them backwards till today.  will it hurt to go back, reboil them and clamp them in a caul or leave them?

Title: Re: another try
Post by: knap_123 on August 21, 2009, 10:51:57 pm

ok guys, i feel i have it tillered to were i want it. 27" 58#  hows it look?  now i think its time for some makeup and shes ready(http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l338/knap_123/finaltrillewr001.jpg)

Title: Re: another try
Post by: Dano on August 21, 2009, 11:00:00 pm

Looks good, how's it shoot?

Title: Re: another try
Post by: woodstick on August 21, 2009, 11:03:40 pm

looks good you gota name for it yet? bows need to earn their name but knothead fits.

Title: Re: another try
Post by: knap_123 on August 21, 2009, 11:19:11 pm

feels good in  the hand and its fast. i name it  CHEAHA  after the tallest mountain in AL.