Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Arrows => Topic started by: staveshaver on August 24, 2009, 10:56:43 pm
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I have just completed 5 dogwood shoot arrows . the only things that are not natural materials are the steel Field tips (100 gr) .they are two fletched turkey no glue style .they are so far ,in my opinion, the best shooting arrows I've ever shot . I 'm wondering what advantage three fletch has .Because after a couple hundred shots with these, it seems like three fletch is a waste of time and materials. I know this subject has been discussed before but this a new experience for me .I am a much better bowyer than arrowsmith.but I,m getting there.
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I like two-fletches, fly just as good as the three-fletchers if they're made right. Three-fletches might have a bit more stability with broadheads or in windy conditions, but I wouldn't swear to it.
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I have not tested them with broadheads yet, but I plan to get some zwickeys next week and try them out. I live in Oklahoma and have plenty of chances to test them in windy conditions. So far I'm impressed with them and plan to hunt with them this year.
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I'm gonna try it..
How do you place the feathers compared to the nock groove? Vertical or?
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Yes Tbod vertical to the nock.
I will be hunting with two fletch arrows this fall as well.
Actually i will be hunting with a full Cherokee set up this fall.
The 2 fletch is a very good design. How good is it over the 3 fletch ...i dont know .
All i know is they fly well and are a good conversation piece.
donadagohvi
Matt
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Thanks Matt!
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I've used them with factory broadheads and I haven't seen much difference under 15 yards.
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Hey part Cherokee , I been following your posts on eastern two fletch arrows, but I would like to see your bow .Is it posted already?
TBod ; sorry I wasn't able to answer your question. I was offline for a few days. but to add to Matt's' reply the fletch, nock, and broadhead should all be in the same plane. I'm not sure why other than to keep the fletch from hitting the bow on release. Well fellas I'm still loving my two fletch shoot arrows, they are tougher than any shafting I've ever used hands down.I was worried that they wouldn't do well at more than 25 yards , but I shot them the other day @ 50 yards; 4 of 6 shots were with in inches of the center mark, the other two were close enough ,I only had time for those 6 shots. I have about 30 more shafts in progress I doubt if I'll ever use any other shafting.
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i heard that dogwood dosnt like to stay strieght?
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I have to straighten them every so often, but no more than with dowel shafting . The next few arrows I make I am going to try the "lighting grooves" to see if that works as well as I've read it does.
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Dogwood will stay as straight as any shafting. I have a red osier arrow I made many years ago that is as straight as the day I made it.
And speaking of straight...your shoot arrows don't have to be "carbon shaft" straight either. As long as the nock and point line up and the arrow spins true it will shoot true. I have made some pretty crooked arrows that will hit where you are looking every time. I wouldn't hunt with some because the crookedness would impede penetration but some I would hunt with.
Below are 2 examples of crooked arrows I have made. The bottom arrow is only a wall hanger. Out past about 10yrs it goes haywire. The one with the red fletching is quite a shooter. I gave it to Bernie Dunn.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/HPIM1590-1.jpg)
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thats really neat man. and what do yall mean by "spin true"
im assumeing that it means that once you got a point on it, stand it on the point and spin it, and if it will spin for a second or so, its good. am i right?
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basically "spin true"
means that both tips spin in the same circle,regardless of the rest of the shaft
pat love them wobblers 8)
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RS, I spin every arrow on the tip of my finger before I shoot it, no matter what head I use. I can feel the least amount of wobble through my finger tip.
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Pat B, you must go through a bunch of band aids...... ;D
Wayne
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Sorry but I don't understand anything about spin true.. Would be nice if someone could explain it again (or is it in the bibles I-III)
I thought two fletch were not supposed to spin at all when you shoot it.
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Tough hands Wayne! ;D
TBod, all arrows spin when shot. Even with straight fletching. The shape and texture of the feather causes then to spin. Also I put in lots of helical when I make 2 fletch arrows.
ZanShen, I will post better pics of the quiver in a while. It is called a side stalker type.
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i think he is wondering what i am, what dose it mean to "spin true"
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When I say "spin true" I mean that the arrow will spin on its point without a wobble, no matter what type of point is mounted; field point or broadhead, steel or stone. If it wobbles it means that either the point is not mounted straight or the arrow is out of alignment. It can still be "crooked" and be in alignment as long as the point, nock and shaft are in the same plane.
Here are a few pics of the quiver that Zan requested in a PM to me...
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/Quivers001.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/Quivers005.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/Quivers003.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/Quivers006.jpg)
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OK now I understand, thanks!
I suspect two fletching demands a more perfect design shaft etc.. than 3 fletch.
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Not necessarily. All the feathers do is steer the arrow in flight by adding drag to the rear of it. The spin of the arrow stabilizes it in flight like a spinning football flies better. If the arrow is spined correctly for the bow and shooter it doesn't matter what type of fletching is used. The practice of "bare shaft" tuning proves that an arrow can fly well without any fletching at all. Adding fletching will help the arrow fly true with a broadhead attached.
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Sorry but I don't understand anything about spin true.. Would be nice if someone could explain it again (or is it in the bibles I-III)
I thought two fletch were not supposed to spin at all when you shoot it.
TBod, 2-fletched arrows spin just as much as three-fletches, I always put mine on with a bit of helical like the Eastern Woodland Indians did. If your two-fletched arrows don't spin, then they're not fletched right and they sure won't fly right.
Pat B, you must go through a bunch of band aids......
Wayne
Wayne, that's where those git-tar pickin' callouses on your fingertips come in handy. ;D
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my calluses are from nose picking. ;D I don't play guitar. :(
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thanks, i get it now, and i agree. spinning a broadhead on your finger tip might hurt a little.
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Well I have to admitt none of my arrows spin. Not that I have noticed anyway. I might have to improve my fletching or go to the optician again.
But some of them fly pretty good and some not..
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TBod, tie a thin thread to the point end of the shaft so it will lay against the shaft when shot. The thread wrapped around the shaft at the target will tell you if it is spinning in flight or not.
I usually use slightly off set straight fletching. I prefer it over a helical twist for my primitive arrows.
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Genius!
Thanks!
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Well Hillbilly, I guess I will have to open up the case, and take the ol Martin out, start trying to play again......Dang, pat, I don't know how good a picker ol Hillbilly is, but you sound like a professional picker! ;D You must have to have your nose rotor rooted every now and then to take down the nasal calouses....... :o......other wise you might sound like bull dog on a heat scent, or get a Wheezel and scare the deer, and turkeys off. Oh, a wheezel is like whistle, but it is in your nose...... ;D Could be nistle, or nostle, or maybe a Mucustle, or whistle booger. ;) Anway I would take you to the track and see if you could pick a winner! ;D But if it makes your arrows spin true, then more power to you! ;)
Wayne
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counter weights ;D