Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Arrows => Topic started by: zeNBowyer on October 23, 2009, 05:42:45 am
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Looking around at my local leather shop for some sinew and what not, which they didn't have but did buy some artificial sinew to try for wrapping tips on my bamboo arrows, the saleslady said it was processed from animal gut so I was interested,
according to my research however it appears to be nylon, no matter, very strong and looks a very pleasing tan color, however I am wondering if the wax coating is going to prevent a good bond when glue/epoxy is applied, anyone use this stuff?
http://jas-townsend.com/product_info.php?products_id=665
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I have used it and it dose ok,not as good as backstrap sinew but better than most other stuff I have used.I always split it down to make it thinner it seem to work better that way.I haven't had any problem sealing over it with tru oil,witch is about all I use.
Pappy
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I have used artificial sinew for wraps on bows and arrows.To seal it or set it I generally use super glue but sometimes TBIII.
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The wax coating can be quite thick and as you suspect, does weaken the adherence to wood or glue. Not that it won't work - just that what you suspect is correct.
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As pappy said,,, split it down. You should be able to get six thin strands when you split it. I use it a lot for sewing hide and have even braided it for dowstrings.
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I've used it to attach stone heads, and it worked OK. I used a 2 part epoxy which was fine. It also looks decently authentic.
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I only use it as a last resort, or if I'm just making some crap arrows that I don't care about and I am willing to lose. Sinew is much better because it makes a much stronger bond due to it shrinking when it dries. I just can't get as tight of a bond with art. sinew as I can with real sinew. So much for modern technology....
But if the fake stuff is all you've got, then use it. And like everyone said, the strands are quite big, but you can split it down into much smaller strands that make a neater wrapping job. It is waterproof, which is a big advantage over real sinew.
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You can also order it in different poundage So the number of times it will split down can vary.. If you get the 15# spool you wont have to split it at all..
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I never use it any more but when I did I worried about the glue bonding to it, I thinned as mentioned and washed in acetone and had decent results. I would just order some backstrap sinue from someone who sells it or harvest some from a deer harvest or roadkill. you will really like the genuine stuff, but the artifical stuff will get you by till then. Kenneth
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Save yourself some money and use unwaxed dental floss if you are just going to wrap points. I get mine for free from the Dentist. There is also unwaxed artificial sinew. I bought a roll at the Classic this year.
If you use the waxed version, I lust wipe it real good with a rag, wrap the point and apply super glue to the thread. It soaks in real good as it dissolves the remaining wax.
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I use it for re-enforcing self nocks and tying on feathers. I put a coat of Barge cement over the wrappings and it works quite well.
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I have 2 sizes. One for wrapping and one(thicker) for sewing.
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I use it sometimes. I usually just wrap it tightly and rub in the direction of the wrap to melt the wax. You can also apply a thin coat of epoxy.
Good luck!
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I like the way you did your nocks, but I think recessing the sides that little bit weakens a crucial part of the nock, though aesthetically they look great
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I only used it once. I got so frustrated that I wont use it again. It is still on, but I tied a half hitch when I got to the end then just used the glue to stop the knot from slipping.
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ZenBowyer, those little relief cuts on either side of the nock don't effect the strength of the selfnock but do protect the string from sharp edges.
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ZenBowyer, those little relief cuts on either side of the nock don't effect the strength of the selfnock but do protect the string from sharp edges.
Yes, what Pat said. I do mine like that all the time and never had a problem. I figure they will explode no matter what if they aren't wrapped, but once you wrap them it is going to hold unless you abuse them.
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Even though I usually wrap mine or use a spline, I have made arrows without either that worked just fine. The only self nocks I have broken were too tight for the string.
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Tried this to wrap nocks since I haven't acquired sinew just yet, very strong material, used denatured alcohol to get some of the wax off,
also used a 2 part epoxy resin to coat the nock for added strength, I've used this to protect bow nocks and it works great
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I use it for selfnocks and wrapping feathers. To finish I use a couple of half hitches and coat with hide glue. Jawge