Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Del the cat on October 27, 2009, 07:01:40 am
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I cut a piece of Yew yesterday, looked superb on the outside (ram rod straight, very few knots), but it's about 70% sapwood 30% heart.
But there is a whole sector which seems sort of half way between heart and sap, as if it's in a transition state.
It's a bit dissapointing, I was hoping it woul split int o4 staves, but I reckon I'll have to work hard to get two.
The wood will probably be ok, but it won't look right without the nice distinct heart/sap boundary.
Any of you guys met this before? How did you work it, what did it perform like?
I've already painted the ends with pva, but I'll see if I can get a pic tonight (I'm at work at the minute ...shhhh don't tell my boss)
Del
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Del, what diam was the tree? The ratio of sap to heart is way off for yew and it sound more like cedar then yew. There are some cedars with bark that looks very similar to yew bark. I found a tree a while back that I was sure was yew but then notice the needles were flat. Can you post a pic?
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i cut a good sized stave of that irish yew recently (bush yew, i guess) and it was very similar...never know how it turns out unless my buddy uses it, cuz i gave that wood away
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LET S SEE SOME PIC S OF THAT BROCK
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Del, what diam was the tree? The ratio of sap to heart is way off for yew and it sound more like cedar then yew. There are some cedars with bark that looks very similar to yew bark. I found a tree a while back that I was sure was yew but then notice the needles were flat. Can you post a pic?
I'll post a pic tonight..I took one lunchtime...but hey I'm Del the Cat, I know a Yew tree when I pee on one see one !
It was partiularly dissapointing as I'd sawn off a small (1/2")branch to get better access with my saw and that had lovely heart wood :(.
The log is about 5" dia.
Ta for the replies, catch up later...
Del
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Honey I'm home!
Mrs Cat pointing at it before I felled it (I took this to show the owner which piece I wanted, come to think of it I'm not certain that I took that piece!!! Just look at all those potential staves :))
(http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp195/Del_the_Cat/GibberdYew.jpg)
And here's the end of the logs, you can see they are asymetric, v tight growth rings one side and big rings the other, 'cos it was growing tight up against another trunk.
(http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp195/Del_the_Cat/WeirdYew.jpg)
Del
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Del I seen u on you tube is it...also where do u live I wished they had yew in newyork state...I was recently on Vacation in Capecod and the time share I was using had Osage trees...not native to that are...im sure what u have will work but Id def. back it with something good... here for u if I can help!!!
Cheers!!
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You are right it is yew and it is wierd. Let us know how it goes. ;)
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DEL dang ur right it s yew haha i do see if a couple bow on the one on left and for sure 1 on the right wonder how the other s could go with so much sap and takin the heart wood i mean thining the sap use the heart wood ha sure havent seen yew like that yet brock
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but ur gonna make bows with it anyway, right?
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but ur gonna make bows with it anyway, right?
Oh yes... I mean do we actually want perfect staves? Nah, that'd be tooo easy ;D.
The left side of the left log has real tight grain and the sap is better defined.
The odd thing is, Im sure that there was less heartwood on it yesterday! It's as if that right side has darkened up on its own overnight :o.
Maybe if I leave it outside on Halloween the Yew Fairies will make it even better? O:).
The right log was the section above the left one and it has a huge kink in it, should make a bow with some real character.
I'll see how it splits over the weekend.
Then I'll get back to you guys in a year or so and let you know how it goes!
Ta for the encouragement.
Del
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Del I seen u on you tube is it...also where do u live I wished they had yew in newyork state...I was recently on Vacation in Capecod and the time share I was using had Osage trees...not native to that are...im sure what u have will work but Id def. back it with something good... here for u if I can help!!!
Cheers!!
I'm in the UK, small town called Harlow, about 50miles north of London, it's a 'new town' built after WWII to house the people bombed out of London. There is a lot of ancient woodland around here, it used to be forrest all the way from London to here where king Henry VIII would hunt (Now dude knew how to live :) )
Del
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Don't know much about Yew but you see a lot of ERC like that where the sap just kind of fads into the heart wood for some reason. :)
Pappy
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Just split it, it ran off one side about 3/4 of the way down >:(. I reckon I'll get one decent stave from each piece plus maybe enough for a kids bow and a real short experimental flat bow or crossbow prod.
Now it's split I can see down the length it's about an inch and a quarter of heart, with an inch of sapwood either side :'(. I shall have to make a sacrifice to the Yew deities on Halloween to give me luck before I cut some more. (I have a scruffy Yew in the garden, maybe I'll throw a glass of red wine over it?...just kidding guys I'll drink it)
I just need to leave the darned things alone for a few months now (sits on twitching hands).
gotta jump back onto the projects, the 89" long bow and my other Yew stave, and the Laburnum..and...
Del
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Del, With yew it almost always best to cut it up with a saw instead of splitting. It will often do what happened to you.
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Del, With yew it almost always best to cut it up with a saw instead of splitting. It will often do what happened to you.
Ta for the tip. Prob is I only have one of those little hoby size bandsaws (rescued from the council rubish tip!) and my workshop is just a single garage...not like you guys in the states with your huge workshops and acres of space.
I'm planning to go back sometime to the tree from which I cut my longbow about 30years ago and have it's sister stave (they were growing side by side) It should be thick enough by now.
I'm sure I can still find that tree :)
Del
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It's a very coarse (less dense) piece of yew. Might want to consider making it wider than the usual design for a yew bow.
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Del
I made many bows with a 3 wheel hobby bandsaw (now I have a 12" Jet). If you use a new blade and take the wood off in facets , it is up to the task. I recall I could cut 2" thick osage with a new blade.
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Del
I made many bows with a 3 wheel hobby bandsaw (now I have a 12" Jet). If you use a new blade and take the wood off in facets , it is up to the task. I recall I could cut 2" thick osage with a new blade.
Cheers, I'll try it on an off cut of the Yew, it was pretty wet, it'll be interesting to see how it copes with it....
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you done anything with these yet?
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Del,
A friend of mine made a yew bow a few years ago. He chased a ring from one end with about 1/4 inc of sapwood on top of the heartwood to the other end. Halfway through the opposite limb the same ring turned to heartwood. Wood turns into heartwood, having once been sapwoodand doesn't always do it as neatly as we would like!
My friends bow worked just fine.
I made a yew bow that was almost all sapwood and it worked well. Maybe not quite a s good as the "proper" sapwood/heartwood combination but yew sapwood is still good bow wood.
Keep your eyes out for good Hawthorn and Dogwood staves. Easier to find than yew in the UK and make good bows.
Mark
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Del,
A friend of mine made a yew bow a few years ago. He chased a ring from one end with about 1/4 inc of sapwood on top of the heartwood to the other end. Halfway through the opposite limb the same ring turned to heartwood. Wood turns into heartwood, having once been sapwoodand doesn't always do it as neatly as we would like!
My friends bow worked just fine.
I made a yew bow that was almost all sapwood and it worked well. Maybe not quite a s good as the "proper" sapwood/heartwood combination but yew sapwood is still good bow wood.
Keep your eyes out for good Hawthorn and Dogwood staves. Easier to find than yew in the UK and make good bows.
Mark
Cheers,
Ta for the info.
I'm hoping to get back down south shortly on a Yew hunting trip.... I never got over to Butser last year to see you guys... it was a bad year Brother, Mother in Law, cousin and Aunt all died within about 6months.
Lets hope the sun returns soon.
I'm pining for the South Downs
Del
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Del, don't forget there's some up here for you in York.
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Del, don't forget there's some up here for you in York.
Yeah, cheers, not sure if I'll get up there for a while...but I'm sure you'll use it if I don't collect. My old home ground on the South Downs is considerably closer and I'm hoping to cut the sister stave to the one I made my best bow from. (Again waiting for a window in the weather, it'll be a good excuse to get in the woods with my Bro & Sis, pub lunch, see Mum & Dad and all's well with world)
I do have a relative up in Lincoln, so I might get up that way in the summer, assuming we actually get one.
BTW That glue should be winging it's way to you.
Del
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thanks, Del. If you don't get up for it, i'll use it next time i'm around.
Today i got a hatchet and chopped the shit out of that cracked, flat-bellied one i posted earlier. It is no longer a flatbow, but an elb, and although i haven't worked all the way down through the cracks, it all looks good. Probably won't get it to full tiller before Morocco, but it can cure in its present state until i get back to it. On the other hand, if you're interested, maybe you could pick up a "mostly-worked" stave and finish 'er off, keep it, give it away, just as long as you post it so i can see the pictures.
Warn ya though: only Sigfried and Roy's cats could draw this one!