Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Flintknapping => Topic started by: warhawk on November 26, 2009, 11:00:47 am
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Just an idea so some of us guys can get a feel for what to look for why dont the guys who have access to raw material show us guys some pictures of sites or what to look for. the abilites of one knapper are to improve and pass knowledge. I know some knappers hold dearly to theirs secrets and that ok but to increase you have to increase the base. If the big boys dont want ot play thats ok. Its just an idea. I learn to knapp form Waldorf book and i wish that i could be trained by a Master knapper to improve my skills. Well i hope that the older members take it to heart.
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there are places to get rock.. like Nehers in Flint ridge OH and The Navaculite pit in AR. there open sites to the public and the rock is only 25 or 50 cents a lb. and you only pay for what you take.
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warhawk I am trying to track down some places now where we can get some rhyolite. If I am successful I will let you know. Then we could all get together and get a big haul. NC dose not have much flint, It is mostly quartz, rhyolite.
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Nugget your a true master ok i was just trying to flatter you and i also repeated my self on the message board sorry.
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its amazing there are 105 looks and only 2 comments other then mine. I wonder why?
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Wouldn't do you much good to show you my spot. Getting rock involves sitting neck deep in a creek and feeling for it in the sand. Not something I like to do this time of year. Bill
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nugget im going to look for some ryolite pm me if you want ride with me.
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I gotta few raw material pics if I can find em. Everybody knows I love raw material pic's. This is all from TX, some down south and some north. Oh and some from AL. Anywho, all it takes is gettin out there and hitten em to see what's inside.
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Here's a few more ;).
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omg there is so much rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!are they trying to grow stuff in a field of rock?
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Cowboy i got Say thanks, the value in any activity which involves just basic knowledge will help those of us who need to find sites or knowing the value of going into a creek and showing what types of rocks i need to look at increases the ability of all knappers. My feeling was that this part of this website was about imparting all aspects of knowledge involved in flint knapping from raw material, tools, how to heat rock and what are the results even if you show a picture of a badly heat rock. As little as some persons may think the little things are the foundations of the bigger pictures. I really want to learn and this site provides a media for me>
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Believe it or not, they grow corn and cotton in those fields of rock. The farmer asked me if I had a simi and loader to haul off the rocks :D.
Glad I could be of help warhawk!
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If we ever get a chance to get together I will show you what some rock looks like raw and heat treated. I have some of both, and what to look for around here in NC
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I want to get together and i have some raw obsidian i can give you i got it from Oregon via internet. The idea was fro me to reduce into spalls but then i found out about rock saws. Hey how about i send you some of this raw material and you cut it up for me you keep half< this is just an idea. Or you could send me some different type of rocks to knapp give me a PM.
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cowboy, you can be my santa!! seriously, what ou want to rade for some large nodguels?
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Texas definetily has some good rock.
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Warhawk, the reason you don't see raw materials pics from me is because there ain't none here. :) I get some quartzite out of the river, but it's pretty much easy to spot amongst the granite and other rock.
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i would be happy to show ya some pics of raw knapping material
only problem is where i live we really dont have much for knappible material
i have looked and never fond anything worth while.
all the rock i get i get from knapp ins,and then it isnt raw its been spalled and heated already
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I'm still lookin for a scource. If I find some I put up a picture for you.
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Here's some nodules of Sonora flint from west central Kentucky.
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is that Sonora flint common around your aread? does it have to be heat treated to knapp or can be used raw. What colors does it come in and where did you learn to look for this type of rock. Oh thanks i love seeing so much stone in the back of a turck to include a white tail buck or two.
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Sonora dose not need any heat, infact it will blowup if you heat it. Shanon is that a new run you made or old rock?
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No, Warhawk. There is no workable rock near my house. Sonora comes from a couple hours north of here, but even there it's not plentiful :(
It's blue rock and needs no heat. I done some research on the web, found the source, and went looking. ;)
Jesse. that's old stuff. Most of that is gravel now ;D
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Warhawk, I suspect the reason the view count is way over the pictures is that like a lot of folks, I am on PA a lot and follow all the threads I can to learn what I can. But I haven't sent any pics because there just isn't any raw rock in my area. In fact, I just read a report at a museum this weekend that stated there are no natural rocks at all on the Virginia Eastern Shore - which really stinks. :'(
Looks like Cowboy has it great! I would love to have access to one of those "corn fields" were the guy is growing a great crop of rocks!
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The idea was not to make people show Pictures unless they had them. the idea was to provide a reference thread to help others in those local areas that have them to be at lease able to see a visual reference picture. the ability of an knapper to look at a stone and see the finished product comes from the love of knapping rock. I buy 99% of my rock from on line. When I'm hunting or hiking i look for knappable material. Ask Nugget about Quartz it is hard to knapp. some of my Artifacts come from white Quartz and i provided a picture which i need to get a better or more detail picture.
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Warhawk, I know what you mean. You want to see something kinda cool. I was at an oyster roast this weekend held at the railroad museum in Cape Charles, VA. They have one small display of Native American tools collected on the Eastern Shore. I snapped a picture of it with my iPhone, so it isn't a great shot. But it has enough detail to get a pretty good look. A lot of the material these points are made from is Quartz. I suspect the material in these stones originated in the Smokey Mountains since there is no natural stone on Eastern Shore. I thought it interesting how much your picture looks like this one and your points look like the real deal.
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there,s something that makes me want to go hiking is looking for arrowheads. that is a great picture. just so you know i live an hour from Morrow Mountain where the Morrow Mountain arrowhead gets it name from> Nugget say that In NC they used Ryolite and that there were quarries in this area.
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there have been a lot of indian points found in the fields behind and around my house here in ohio and although I have looked and tried to find knappable material,I am having a hard time finding anything but granite here in Ohio.
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heres some pics of my coral raw and cooked and how I cook it and what I do with it. I`m not a knapper, I`m a digger/diver. Just havent crossed over like Eddie,lol ;D My buddy Claude has tried for years to teach me, just not my thing right now sorry if its pic heavy but you asked and heres some pictures
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beautiful stuff. Thanks for the pics. I gotta try to get me some of that purdy coral to beat on.
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Hey jcinpc, what are you trying to do when you heat treat your rock...? I am brand new to playing with rocks and really have no idea why you would need to cook it? How does one tell if the rock you have in hand should be cooked or not? TIA Paulc
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I`m just following in the line of the ones here before me. In paleo times they didnt have the technology to cook their rocks, thats why 99.9% paleos are raw. In the archaic times they learned how. It makes it ALOT easier to flake or work. I dont know about how it effects most other cherts or what the charicteristics are when cooked but coral takes on a glossier look. You can cook alot of the harder areas right out. I have done it when I get towards the center of a head and its grainier, cooked at a higher temp will most of the times cook it out, if its not to thick. Down here when we dig certain sites alot of times we do find cooking pits, not for food but for rock. I have found quit a few in the past 25 years. Sand and charred wood all mixed up blown up pieces with the pot lids. I have found certain sites where the point was cooked inside the meat and it popped the point. The sad part about all these sites are they were mostly construction sites I dug before they started it and now most are subdivisions and no arch surveys were done are deemed important enough to stop it. No place to see or learn from what was there, except when I go to the schools each year. heres a few pics of a couple of frames of stuff. I frame mine by sites not typology, that way I can see the different times in one frame. I might have 10 frames from a site and only 1 or 2 from another.
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Jcinpc those are the best Pictures and explanation i have seen so far i truly thank you for both me and others. I wish i could get me some pieces of heated coral if you could provide Pm me or Nugget i know he would appreciate it, Whew i like your arrowhead pictures.
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So does anyone know if I should be "cooking" flint from the Flint Hills of Kansas? How long do you cook it for? What do you watch for to know it is done? Thanks a bunch for the info. Paulc
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Man, isn't Coral pretty? I just heat treated a variety of stuff andgot my new knapping area set up. I'll post some pictures of my stash tomorrow. Jeff, how many times has Rick tried to talk you out of that Hillsborough?
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none, I have never showed him,lol I found it right down the road by English creek
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Hey Jeff: You knew of course that you'd get hit up about a trade here if ya posted all that coral right ::). I have lot's of knappables but nothing that purdy - what'dya say ;D?
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Jeff, did you ever see the pretty red one he found in the creek behind his place? Paul, If you work a trade I can save yall shipping. I'm driving out to Houston sometime this month to work in Pasadena. Or, I'm going to Brazil first, not sure in which order. ??? But when I come out I want to load up on some of those potato field rocks or Georgetown.
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Hey Jeff: You knew of course that you'd get hit up about a trade here if ya posted all that coral right ::). I have lot's of knappables but nothing that purdy - what'dya say ;D?
you might have to wait for that trade at the moment, I have mailed out about 8 boxes in the last 2 weeks trading and for gift exchanges on different boards. I just traded for a box of killer Biggs picture jasper in, the old stuff with blue, traded for pet wood and deschutes for moss agates and fire agates ,traded for a fire piston and a few pounds of chaga. If Eddie is going out there then that will be cool cause I`m tapped out on shipping funds for awhile. hit me on a PM and well do the email swap.
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Jeff,
You have some great looking finished pieces. Thanks for sharing. Also, I sent you a PM.