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Title: Dull Drawknives
Post by: Et_tu_brute on December 12, 2009, 05:53:54 pm
Hi All,

I've seen quite a few posts on here with people saying that they don't sharpen some of their drawknives and leave them dull, what is the advantage in this? It doesn't make a lot of sense to be but I'm sure there's a sound reason for it.

Thanks in advance.
Dave
Title: Re: Dull Drawknives
Post by: Dano on December 12, 2009, 05:59:05 pm
I think a lot of it depends on the knife it's self and the user's methods. I like my knife sharp, but I have used other knives that were either too light or too thin and when sharp they dig or chatter too much. I say what ever works, go for it. ;)
Title: Re: Dull Drawknives
Post by: George Tsoukalas on December 12, 2009, 06:19:36 pm
My knives are sharp and I mean sharp but those who like dull knives use them to wedge and pry off rings. Jim Hamm likes a dull knife so that says something. No dull tools on my shop though. Jawge
Title: Re: Dull Drawknives
Post by: nugget on December 12, 2009, 07:17:06 pm
What is the best way to sharpen them??
Title: Re: Dull Drawknives
Post by: El Destructo on December 12, 2009, 07:47:12 pm
I sharpen mine on an old Beltsander Belt that I have fastened to a Board....then I clamp the Board in my Vise and just draw my knife down the Belt...and believe Me it gets like a Razor really fast
Title: Re: Dull Drawknives
Post by: nugget on December 12, 2009, 07:55:47 pm
You draw it like you are cutting wood, or with the bevel on the sand paper?
Title: Re: Dull Drawknives
Post by: El Destructo on December 12, 2009, 07:58:25 pm
You draw it like you are cutting wood, or with the bevel on the sand paper?

Yep with the Bevel down....but on a slight angle to the Belt...no truly straight....just cant it a bit....like you would work a File.... ;)
Title: Re: Dull Drawknives
Post by: nugget on December 12, 2009, 08:03:38 pm
Sonds like a plan to me. I have tried to sharpen mine with a file, but that didn't work to well. I will definitely try an old belt. Thanks.
TJ
Title: Re: Dull Drawknives
Post by: El Destructo on December 12, 2009, 08:13:53 pm
TJ...use a good worn Belt when you do...or a 220 or finer...they will put a fine edge on one...just be careful with it when you are done..... :P
Title: Re: Dull Drawknives
Post by: nugget on December 12, 2009, 08:15:42 pm
Ok I understand.
Title: Re: Dull Drawknives
Post by: The Gopher on December 12, 2009, 09:03:07 pm
I use a dull draw knife for chasing a ring, but keep in mind that when you use this method it is no longer being used as a knife, as mentioned, it is a wedge. I am a true believer in "scary sharp" for all cutting tools, so don't try to use your dull knife for the same applications you would a sharp one.

just to repeat, if someone talks about using a dull drawknife for bow building, i am sure they are referreing to chasing rings and they are not using it for cutting, they are using it for wedging. When chasing a ring the dull knife will find the earlywood and pry off big sections without cutting into the next layer.

the only proper tool for cutting wood fibers is a very sharp blade.

I have two drawknives that i commonly use, one is dull and i have never sharpened it, this is used for chasing rings. the other is kept very sharp for all other stave reduction stuff.

Title: Re: Dull Drawknives
Post by: nugget on December 12, 2009, 09:24:29 pm
I agree. I chase rings with a dull knife, but the one I like to keep sharp has lost it's edge due to flopping around in a tool box. A dull one does like to find the crunchy layers in osage. ;D
TJ
Title: Re: Dull Drawknives
Post by: Dano on December 12, 2009, 09:41:07 pm
You guys that like dull knives oughta roll the edge like a scraper, then you have the tool.
Title: Re: Dull Drawknives
Post by: George Tsoukalas on December 12, 2009, 11:08:11 pm
I use a medium stone to sharpen my knife. I keep the same bevel. The  flip it and sharpen the back. Keep it flat against the blade. No grinder and no beltsander. Jawge
Title: Re: Dull Drawknives
Post by: El Destructo on December 12, 2009, 11:39:22 pm
I don't use a Beltsander either...Just the Belt...And I use it like a Stone
Title: Re: Dull Drawknives
Post by: Badger on December 12, 2009, 11:53:33 pm
     I guess what some call dull and others call dull aren't the same maybe. I might use mine on a dozen or so bows between sharpeing. I don't really count but I sharpen when it doesn't work the way I want. I can easily take a raw stave to finished bow with osage in about 3 hours. ( 5 hours counting coffee and computer breaks) Whitewoods for some reason I like the edge a lot sharper. Osage seems to have some kind of oil in it that lubricates as it cuts. Steve
Title: Re: Dull Drawknives
Post by: George Tsoukalas on December 13, 2009, 12:14:52 am
Badger, I can do it in about 3 days if I book it. That includes  fussing time, putting on the finish, sewing on the leather handle covering  and  naps.  3 hours is pretty quick.  :) Jawge