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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: DanaM on December 18, 2009, 10:25:01 am
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A guy at work asked if I could make his wife a bow, she is descended from the Blackfoot tribe, I know nothing of them, where they lived or what type of bow they used.
If anyone can help me I would appreciate it, pictures would be great :) Thanks in advance eh.
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All I know is that I have read there is a distinction between BlackFOOT and BlackFEET indians. Don't know how true or not. I believe the BlackFEET were essentially part of or closely related to the Northern Sioux. BlackFOOT I am not sure of either.
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Dana
Here are a few pics regarding blackfeet type of bows. Hope they help....if not I think I may have a few more squirreled away....someplace. [where did you find a tirrty-pack holder anyway?]
half eye
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Dana,
sorry I forgot to mention...the first 3 pics are from the university of Montana, the last 2 pics are specimens from the Peabody Museum (I believe they came from the stuff sent back by Lewis and Clark) If you notice the last 2 have defelexed handles so they seem to have that classic "double curve" when braced......I never did know why the brace height was so low but seems to be the rule and not the exception.
half eye
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There are a couple illustrated in Jim Hamm's Plains Bows chapter in the TBB.
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Thanks guys, but I'm wondering now because he said that his wife's descendents were from the east coast ??? ??? ???
So is there two different tribes as coyote pup thought, blackfoot and/or blackfeet ???
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http://anthro.amnh.org/anthro_coll.shtml
try to find things here ;)
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Dana,
Cant believe that I found it but I have some research for a project of granddaughter's a long time ago....here is what the "scholars" got to say:
The term blackfoot come from the native word siksika (which translates to dark mocasins) they were a confederacy of 3 first nation tribes from Alberta Canada + one from the Montana/ Idaho area of the States. The anglicization came out blackfeet (used in the states) and blackfoot used in the Canadian Provences. The report further stated that the Natives themselves are/were miffed about the plural version because that is not what would translate from their language.
The info made no mention of any Eastern tribes....unless maybe they were forceably relocated there.
Hope that helps
half eye
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What half eye said...
Blackfoot's where from Southern AB and Northern Montana I believe. A lot of the stuff around here (Calgary AB) and South, getting close to the AB-Montana border (by head-smashed-in buffalo jump http://www.head-smashed-in.com), is Blackfoot as far as I know.
http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=A1ARTA0000802
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I was gonna say I think the Blackfoot were from up here in Idaho. Thereis a town in eastern Idaho near the reservation that is named Blackfoot. That gives me reason tho believe, some blackfoot triibes originated, or lived in the area. they still live near there on a reservation. I think most of them are farmers now. :) ;)
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Dana,
I was looking for the site where I had read that there was a diference and I am unable to find it. Now everything I find says that they are pretty much two ways of saying the same thing, just in diferent contexts. So I guess maybe they are the same. But I am positive that at some point I read where there was a distinction. If I find it I'll post it.
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One of the neatest looking plains bows I've seen was Blackfoot.
It was in the TBB vol. 3, and I can't remember the dimentions exactly (I lent the book to someone, and I'm not sure if I'll be getting it back!), but I think it's around 40-44" long, and backed with garter snake skin.
Sorry, not much help here. :D
Sean
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Dana,
I was looking for the site where I had read that there was a diference and I am unable to find it. Now everything I find says that they are pretty much two ways of saying the same thing, just in diferent contexts. So I guess maybe they are the same. But I am positive that at some point I read where there was a distinction. If I find it I'll post it.
to my knowledge, the Blackfeet band are one of the couple bands that make up the Blackfoot Confederacy/Blackfoot Nation.
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Again thanks for the help guys, I checked wikpedia and yes they are from Alberta and Montana.
He called his wife and he was wrong they were from Canada :) I'll look in TBB 3
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And further to what I wrote, a lot of the names of roads in Calgary are Blackfoot related (or allies of the Blackfoot) or old Chief names. ie Blackfoot Trail, Peigan Trail, Crowchild Trail, Sarcee Trail, Deerfoot, etc. Some of these aren't actually Blackfoot names though.
And Siksika reserve is a little East of Calgary, the Bloods are South by Fort McLeod near the Montana border, Tsuu T'ina borders right up against the city, Stoney Reserve is a little West of Calgary. Again, not all Blackfoot.
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Barrage is absolutely correct.The Blackfoot range was in Northern Montana and in to Canada.The Blackfoot Rez is in Northern Montana,along the Alberta border and is right next to Glacier National Park.The Blackfeet,were a band of Sioux.Im not shure why Blackfoot Idaho is Named that,but the Native people on the Rez there in Fort Hall Idaho are Shoshone/Bannock.I have Good friends from both those Rezervations.
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http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,9380.0.html
I knew I remembered seeing one on here before :) Haven't seen steve on the board in a long time wonder what became of him?
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Holy crap that thing is bending crazy, I don't see how that string is staying on. I must not have read something skimming through it.
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It were Blackfoot Indians that camped with Meriweather Lewis and a few of his men in the Marias River area NW of Great Falls, Montana. (William Clark had left the group, following their westbound trail back to the Yellowstone River.) Their goal was to steal whatever they could, including the state of the art flintlock rifles that Lewis had. In the ensueing skirmish, two Indians were killed, the only Indians killed during the two year Corps of Discovery, although some close calls occurred elsewhere.
Blackfoot Indians used serviceberry and mountain maple for bows. Lewis broke up some the Indians' bows and arrows and burned them in their campfire before skedattling out of there.
A canyon near my home is Hellgate Canyon where Blackfeet attacked other tribes crossing over the Divide to hunt bison.
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Don while looking up info I read that account, it was very interesting :)
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That little Bow of Steves....still scares the CRAP out of Me....look at the String Angle on that Thang........ :P
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That little Bow of Steves....still scares the CRAP out of Me....look at the String Angle on that Thang........ :P
Looks to be 90 degrees, max draw for sure, but he is using a modern grip, Wouldn't the Blackfeet have used more of a pinch grip and a shorter draw?
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Try to find Murray Small Legs. He lives in Potsdam near Berlin. He had bee working at Head Smashed In Buffalo Jump and comes from Canada. I know him quite well. He has an Blackfeet Ashbow. WWW.Murray Small Legs Presentations.de ?
Regards Uwe
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Thanks Uwe :)
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Hey Dana,
I'm pretty sure the Blackfoot lived in close proximity to the Sioux. 3 Sioux bows will be illustrated in the Treasures of the Smithsonian series, and I think the blackfoot bows were probably pretty similar.
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Thanks billy been waiting on them articles :)