Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Primitive Skills => Topic started by: deersled on January 16, 2010, 01:50:29 pm
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just finished braintanning a couple deer hides. they have a peculiar aroma. Kinda fishy. didn't understand why my wife was complaining about the smell until my head cold went away, haha. Will that smell go away when the hide is smoked. I used deer brains. Will eggs have the same smell?
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Never had a Fishy smelly deer Hide...unless it was left in the Pickle too long and went sour...but then You said that it's already tanned with Brain...never heard of that.maybe Jesse (leapingbare) or someone educated more in Braining will have an Idea....ya got me stumped...... :-[
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I had my bucket of brains in the house an I beleive they get sour in about 2 days. I had a hide that had that same fishy smell. I smoked it today an seems to smell Well like smoke80) It,s been so cold here every thing that I put in garage freezes ( brains, lye mixture, hides all froze). I,m trying one with eggs just to see if theres any difference. Later Bob
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Never experienced a fishy smell from braintan, most of them have a really strong smoke smell that will about stifle you for awhile.
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even before Smoking...mine always smelt like wet Hide....not Fish....... :-\
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my wife just hit the nail on the head.......cod liver oil! I probably had em in the brains too long. Its been so stinking cold they sat in the brains in the garage in a cooler for 5-6 days. Let you know what happens when I smoke em. Hides turned out very nice though.
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I have left a hide in the brains in cool weather for over a week and it terned out just fine. If you pre-smoke your hides and put a smoked hide into your slurry it will last over a month and you can leave hides in it for over a week.
Is this the 1st time you have done braintan. A unsmoked hide has a oder it sorta smells like deer hide and brains ;) I love the smell of braintan if it came in a bottle i would spry it on my girl friend. But after you smoke it, it will just smell smoky.
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Jesse, I see a Romantic Night in the makin', :) Save up all the brains, warm em up and fill a Bath tub full. Candles, Barry Manilow playing in the background, a nice bottle of wine, and you'd be all set, Bud. ;D O:)
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Deersled, are you sure you scraped the inside of the hide well, removing all the membrane? Did you grain the hide, scraping all the outer membrane off the hair side of the hide? Last summer, I was working on 5 hides at a time. I picked 2 of the better ones to egg tan. One turned out well. The first one turned out well. The second, I got busy and ended up taking it on a camping trip with me wife and 6 other friend. Well, it smelled like bloated road kill at our campsite. In my haste, I forgot to do the final scraping/grain. PEWWEE!
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I'll let yall know if a week hurts one,I have one I put in the brain Sunday and won't get a chance to work on it much till Friday,I did ring it out Monday and put it back in the Brains.It looked good then. :) It is in some that has already had smoked hides in it and it just smelled like smoke like Jesse
said. :)
Pappy
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it will be fine Pappy, It will feel a little slimy when you 1st pull it out of the slurry, thats because it will be so saturated with the slurry once you ring it once it will feel normal.
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Jesse, I see a Romantic Night in the makin', :) Save up all the brains, warm em up and fill a Bath tub full. Candles, Barry Manilow playing in the background, a nice bottle of wine, and you'd be all set, Bud. ;D O:)
with all due respect, some times i worry about your mental stability. ::)
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Recurve, Eddie is a Parker. We don't have this thing you call mental stability. It's a genetic trait. ;D All I can say is that if you can get her to crawl into a tub of deer brains with you, she's probably a keeper. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/hillbillync/Other%20Stuff/smilies/love.gif)
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Hey, I'm not the one that wanted it for perfume ::) ;D And what Steve said is true :), thanks Cuz. ;) PS, recurve, you still want me to pay for your dinner Saturday night? ;D
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lol what? if yer payin for my dinner i'll look up the price of a whole side of beef for ya. ;D
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like jesse said a little stink will go away with the smoke. id leave it hanging in the garage or another safe place to air out once youve smoked it. even the smoke smell can be overpowering
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Jamie is right, When I bought 3 pairs of smoked, brain tanned moose mocassins in Manitoba, I left them in my hotel room. The next afternoon when I came in from work, I could smell them all the way down the hallway. I had my fingertips crossed going through customs on the way home, you could smell my luggage 20' away.
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been out of town for a little while. I believe it may just be hide and brain smell. I don't think anything spoiled. Yes, I membraned and grained it real good. Still haven't got around to smoking it. and as I said, they came out real soft. do you guys ever worry about messing with the brains. my wife is starting to get a little squirmish about me playin in the slurry.
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I aint no Scientist or CDC Doctor...but it always made me wonder about playing in them too....with Crutchfeld Jacobs Disease...Mad Cow Disease...and Chronic Wasting Disease...all being the Same Disorder...but in Different Animals..... If I touch the Brains of a deer ...I wear Full Arm Rubber Gloves.....While CWD has never been proven to transfer to people...... the human equivalent (Crutchfeld-Jacob Disease) really sucks...... so it’s better safe than sorry.....
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I don't make skin contact with the brains until after i mix them with some water and bring then to a boil.
Been brain tanning off and on 10 years and don't reckon i got no disease from brains, unless thats why i have that weird bump on my butt that looks like a nipple ???
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Jesse......Too Much Information............ :o
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There have been cases of MCD crossing the species barrier and causing CJD in humans who ate tainted beef, so it may also be possible for CWD to do it as well, but it has never been documented. I beleve it's actually necessary to ingest the protien though, so as long as your not getting the stuff in you mouth, it shouldn't be an issue. A form of CJD called Kuru, and MCD are both transmitted through healthy individuals eating infected individuals. With humans, through cannibalism and with livestock, through feeding byproducts like meat and bone meal. CWD was kind of a mystery, as it involves wild herbivores, but they now believe the infection is shed through saliva and waste, contaminating the vegetation. Animals outside of the deer family, but housed alongside infected deer, have not been shown to contract the disease, nor has it been seen in carnivores that prey upon deer. All the diseases are caused by prions, which are renegade protiens that take over the cells machinery to reproduce themselves. They are even simpler than a virus, and are unaffected by cooking. Scientists believe that they all arose originally from genetic mutations, as there are known genetic forms of the diseases, but in some cases, the defective protiens are able to replicate themselves if ingested by another animal. CWD occurs in the brain, spinal cord, eyes, spleen, tonsils and lymph nodes of deer, but you can safely eat the other parts. MCD transmitted to humans is believed to be the resullt of nervous tissue incorporated into hambuger. I would say, keep your gloves on, and don't get it in your mouth, whether or not it's been cooked yet. JMHO Jude
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Now how and the World do you keep all parts of the Lymph System out of the Venison You Process?? I am all Ears here...because I process all of my own...don't believe in paying someone to make Steaks ...Roasts and Burger out of my Deer......
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When I was reading about it, it stated lymph nodes, so I don't believe you have to worry about the whole lymph system. I'm not sure where they're all located, but I've never really noticed them when cutting up an animal, at least not in the meat. Never paid much attention to all the gristly parts I didn't intend to eat. Could be an issue if you boil down the head for soup. I guess if you live in an infected area, you might want to forego the "use every bit of the animal" approach. I remember my aunt making head cheese from pigs. I think that had lymph nodes and brains in it. :P
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You will find them in between the layers of the hind quarter and under the front shoulders,I always take them out when I am cutting up the meat.They ant hard to find if you just look.They are about
the size of your thumb nail,looks like a marble,nasty looking so I have been removing them for years ,even before I knew what they were. :) I don't guess our deer have any real problems ,so I don't worry about it.I have been eating it for years and other than being about half crazy I have seen no ill effects. ;) ;D
Pappy