Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Del the cat on February 11, 2010, 06:03:31 pm
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Here it is, the back is fairly thick Ash to allow a llittle sculpturing at the grip.
Nocks Waterbuffalo horn. I havn't really shot it yet but it feels tight and snappy. There's a whisker of set it was glued up straight.
It's sort of AFB ish, not my usual self bow style, just playin' really to see how I get on.
Well, it's only 18" long :o.
The draw weight IS 48 (ounces ::) )
I feel mean teasing you guys... hope I'm forgiven :-[
Here I am checking the tiller ;D
(http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp195/Del_the_Cat/Catbow-1.jpg)
(http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp195/Del_the_Cat/unstrung-1.jpg)
(http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp195/Del_the_Cat/strung-2.jpg)
(http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp195/Del_the_Cat/handle-1.jpg)
I've rotated the handle pic so the lighting is a bit weird.
(http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp195/Del_the_Cat/nock-1.jpg)
Better pic here in daylight, full draw 48 @ 28 ;D (48 ounces at 8" really O:))
(http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp195/Del_the_Cat/CATiller.jpg)
Del
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Purty! But you're holding out on us...
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Purty! But you're holding out on us...
I'll get a pic of it on a tiller stick tomorrow... been a long day O:).
Del
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sounds like an interesting ratio. looks about 1/2 and 1/2. look forward to seeing more pics.
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is that the secret bow??? guess the secret's out...how about some specs?
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is that the secret bow??? guess the secret's out...how about some specs?
Yup that's it, I'll get it on the tiller tomorrow and see exactly what she weighs.
63" ntn draws 28", gotta do the final tuning and shoot it through the chrono. I'm looking for 55# at 28"
But I've not worked it all out yet.
Del
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well, you're the man...i'm sure you can pull it off!
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Very nice! A lot of fine looking bows posted lately.
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Good looking bow,looks like a cool combo. Bet it's a sweet shooter. :)
Pappy
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dude, i love it...i guess AFB is American Flatbow??? God the Americans are as bad as the British...i've been here 2 months, and it seems like the word "British" means "superior" as in, British meat, or British television...something in the tone of voice when they say it...being British you know what i'm saying...the British even talk about the trees and stones as if they were something to be proud of as a culture: English Oak and all that...
regardless...great bow...48 is a little short of your mark, but hey it's still legal hunting weight so good on ya.
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dude, i love it...i guess AFB is American Flatbow??? God the Americans are as bad as the British...i've been here 2 months, and it seems like the word "British" means "superior" as in, British meat, or British television...something in the tone of voice when they say it...being British you know what i'm saying...the British even talk about the trees and stones as if they were something to be proud of as a culture: English Oak and all that...
regardless...great bow...48 is a little short of your mark, but hey it's still legal hunting weight so good on ya.
Yeah American Flatbow, or what some people your side of the pond would call a long bow. It's all so confusing, I shall have to lie down ::).
Del
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i d k where the term American Flatbow comes from...i think what it really is, is a differentiation from the d-shaped yew longbow ... but god knows the indians in north america weren't americans...and they were using flat bows...and the ancient europeans who made the holmegaards and meare heath bows weren't american...but okay, i just wanted to check i understood ya!
after your kip, you gonna put some finish on that thing?
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I like it Del...I bet it will really snap an Arrow out there too! I don't know ...because I didn't read the whole Post...but if I was building this (which I am not... ;))...I would take a bit more off of each Limb from Mid Limb to near the Tips...just to get more Wood working...and minimize the chances of Chrysals in the Cherry from overstressing....JMO....I really like the Bow...I just think that this would be a Safety Item thats all............. O:)
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I like it Del...I bet it will really snap an Arrow out there too! I don't know ...because I didn't read the whole Post...but if I was building this (which I am not... ;))...I would take a bit more off of each Limb from Mid Limb to near the Tips...just to get more Wood working...and minimize the chances of Chrysals in the Cherry from overstressing....JMO....I really like the Bow...I just think that this would be a Safety Item thats all............. O:)
Yeah, I definitely agree, if I had a bit more weight to spare, I'd abjust the tiller in that direction, maybe I could take it down to 45 with a more rounded tiller, loosing that bit of weight would prob keep the speed up.
Del
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That's very nice looking Del.....what kind of a cross section shape do you have? you call it a flatbow, but is that a rectangular cross section? Curious about the rough limb dimensions and if there really is an significant width change thru the handle into the fade area.
This is pretty much what I had in my minds eye for how I want my new bow to turn out. Thanks for the excellent visual image.
Cheers,
J
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i agree, diligence...this bow is a great model of a flatbow with a stiff handle
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Awesome combo ash/cherry, excellent bow/tiller and I agree Radius its a picture perfect model of a selfbow with a stiff handle!!!
Cheers,
Russ
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That's very nice looking Del.....what kind of a cross section shape do you have? you call it a flatbow, but is that a rectangular cross section? Curious about the rough limb dimensions and if there really is an significant width change thru the handle into the fade area.
This is pretty much what I had in my minds eye for how I want my new bow to turn out. Thanks for the excellent visual image.
Cheers,
J
Have I been rumbled? O:)
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that looks great Del!! :) -josh
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is getting rumbled the same as getting teased?
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Del
Okay - I had to look up on the WWW, what "rumbled" means. I think you are asking if you have been "found out"...as in, you have called it a flat bow, but it is might be something else.
That was not my intent. Regardless of what you have called it, I'm just curious about the cross sectional shape, and overall layout of the back and belly.
I think the tiller is just superb, and I'd like to mimic it if I can.
Cheers,
J
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brilliant, i'll trade you a yew log for that
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BOM!
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Del
Okay - I had to look up on the WWW, what "rumbled" means. I think you are asking if you have been "found out"...as in, you have called it a flat bow, but it is might be something else.
That was not my intent. Regardless of what you have called it, I'm just curious about the cross sectional shape, and overall layout of the back and belly.
I think the tiller is just superb, and I'd like to mimic it if I can.
Cheers,
J
Well it's rectangular cross section (with the corners rounded of course), and now the little secret is out I'll give you any measurements you want!
BTW it's glued with hide glue.
Making that tiny string was a real pain, it's a continuous loop string made from half a strad of Dacron, served with sewing thread.
Tiller is much easier to adust than a full size bow as a few strokes with a file do the job.
I'll have to make a scale arrow and see how she shoots.
The scale is a nominal 3.5 : 1
So the dimensions I gave in earlier posts were scaled up.
Del
Just taken some measurements.
Total length 18 1/4" Upper limb working length 8 1/4", lower limb working length 8"
Limb widthxthickness:_
Near the fade 9x5mm
Mid limb 8x4mm
Tip 5.5x3mm
Back slightly crowned.
Del
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HAHAH.....jokes on me! I wasn't sure what was happening, but then I re-read your "edited" first post.
Excellent miniature bow! it definately has my vote for BOM!
J
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Brilliant! You totally fooled me, too. :D
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We've all been totally pimped!!! :D :D :D
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Great little bow, Del!!
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Wow ok then... still it is nice ??? ::) :o :o ;D ;D ;D
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Good One Del...................... ;D
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Well, well...this is just too funny.
Beautiful bow, Del. Are the mice in England that dangerous?
Dane
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"Here I am checking the tiller ;D" you said....
Awesome little bow, Del...but that cat's a GIRL! Right? ;)
She needs 2 X chromosomes to have that color coat, (so could be an XXY male)
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Most excellent cat >:D. Bow is still a great candidate for Feb Laminate BOM
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i d k where the term American Flatbow comes from...i think what it really is, is a differentiation from the d-shaped yew longbow ... but god knows the indians in north america weren't americans...
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i d k where the term American Flatbow comes from...i think what it really is, is a differentiation from the d-shaped yew longbow ... but god knows the indians in north america weren't americans...
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Look at the Sourse........... ;D
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I think the AFB (as it's called in the UK) has nothing to do with the native bows (No the natives aren't 'Indian' either!) as it post dates the native bows.
The AFB owes more to the American interpretation and development of the Victorian style of English long bow, or to the influence of people like Hickman who moved away from the D profile to a rectangular one. The cross section and the arrow shelf are the main diffences between the American and English longbows (that and the timber used).
Just my understanding of course, I'm happy to be wrong on any of this...
I remember as a kid being confused by an article in a magazine 'how to build a longbow'... it was an american mag' (popular mechanics or some such), and was thus an American longbow.
For the record here is the NFAS (National field Archery Society) definition of AFB
American Flatbow (AFB)
"A one-piece bow, of any draw-weight, may be used where the braced limbs curve in one
direction only from the handle riser to the string nock. When braced the string must not come
into contact with the face of either limb except at the nock grooves. The limb cross-section
may vary from oval to rectangular.
The handle may incorporate a cut-away of less than centre-cut to provide an arrow-shelf and
the shelf may have a protective cover".
Del
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What did you use for tools, Del? How on earth did you serve that string?
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What did you use for tools, Del? How on earth did you serve that string?
I used files mostly once I'd glued up the two laminates which I planed/spokeshaved to about 1/2" x 1/4" I then split this in two on the band saw (giving me a spare).
The nocks and suchlike were done with needle files, and finished with fine wet & dry paper. The string was a real pig...I untwisted a length of Dacron and made a continuous loop string, the serving took a fair bit of patience, and a strong pair of glasses! The hard thing was keeping tension on the string as I did the end loops...I don't enjoy making strings at the best of time.
It's good for me as I'm an impatient git, and it is character building to do something like that. When I'd done the first loop I realised I'd made the darned string too short and too fat (one whole strand of Dacron), so I had to re-do it.
The funny thing with miniatures is people think what a huge amount of work there is...No, it's much less work tha a full size, it's just finer. If you don't believe me try sawing out a 1/4" steel crossbow prod, and then try the scale model version, much quicker and easier.....
Tillering is a bit nervy as you feel it's bound to snap....hmmm, same as a full sized bow I guess ;D.
Del
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Nice miniature.