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Main Discussion Area => Flintknapping => Topic started by: jamie on February 19, 2010, 12:07:40 pm

Title: notching ?
Post by: jamie on February 19, 2010, 12:07:40 pm
still screwing up my notches. i always manage to round out the belly of the notch and they stall. destroyed a few points  working on the notches this week. been trying to figure out where i screw up.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/coyotebow/knapping/001-9.jpg)
Title: Re: notching ?
Post by: StevenT on February 19, 2010, 01:26:33 pm
I have the same problem, but heck, I'd be happy with notches that looked like these.
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Post by: warhawk on February 19, 2010, 04:11:17 pm
i think that your notching is fine >
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Post by: Hillbilly on February 19, 2010, 05:36:02 pm
I've always had problems with stalling notches, too, Jamie.
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Post by: mullet on February 19, 2010, 05:40:32 pm
 I bought a carbide flexible wire saw blade. I started using this to grind an angle in the notch to get it going again. I've seen people use diamond files to prep the edge also.
Title: Re: notching ?
Post by: StevenT on February 19, 2010, 06:04:53 pm
Hey, that's cheating.... were do I get one?
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Post by: JackCrafty on February 19, 2010, 06:09:27 pm
Hey Jamie, check out how Marty does the notches on this one:

---http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoYnkPDgjgM&feature=PlayList&p=8EF1ADDF52AE4212&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=6
Title: Re: notching ?
Post by: jamie on February 19, 2010, 06:44:33 pm
the video definetly made me realise im not treating the notches as i would a normal flake removal. marty does a lot more prep on the notch platform than i have ever done. may try the punch too. he also uses a much steeper angle than i was using. i think that is where the flakes stall. i'll give it a rip tomorrow, who am i kidding, i'll do it  right now.
Title: Re: notching ?
Post by: JackCrafty on February 19, 2010, 06:46:24 pm
 ;D

Makes me want to try the punch too.  Too bad I'm still at work. >:(
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Post by: leapingbare on February 19, 2010, 07:06:50 pm
when notching, punching or presher it is still important to prepare your platform inside the notch. a thin edge in a notch thats below the center line is the same as a thin edge below the center line on a bi-face.
 You also have to thin ahead of your notch.. small choppy flakes and your stall out.. you have to remove material ahead of you notch to keep it going..
 It basically comes down to doing what you already know how to do. Just apply it to your notching.
Title: Re: notching ?
Post by: jamie on February 19, 2010, 08:36:55 pm
thats what i was trying to accomplish jesse. just certain things werent clicking. just watched paleoman jims narrow entry vid and that explained a lot.
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Post by: FlintWalker on February 19, 2010, 08:45:12 pm
Here's a video that really helped me out a lot. ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcKBADiWbi8
 It really helps to take a small flake off each inside corner of the notch and square up the bottom of it before flipping it over and taking the next big flake.  These little flakes sorta set up and isolate a tiny platform in the bottom of the notch that will let the next flake release easier.
 
Title: Re: notching ?
Post by: jamie on February 19, 2010, 09:10:54 pm
what amazes me after watching that and then looking at original calf creeks and andice points is how they did it with abo tools. im on a friggin mission right now to get this stuff figured out.
Title: Re: notching ?
Post by: jamie on February 19, 2010, 09:51:05 pm
i think i get it now. did this with a rib bone

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/coyotebow/knapping/002-11.jpg)
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Post by: FlintWalker on February 19, 2010, 09:58:11 pm
That looks great!  I've seen some authentic points with super narrow, super deep notches and it flat out amazes me what some of the ancient knappers could do.
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Post by: xin on February 20, 2010, 12:05:26 am
Very nice notches!! Leapingbare threw a perfect strike "Hail Mary" and you made a great catch resulting in a perfect pair of side notches.  Using all the stuff Leapingbare mentioned plus  punches will get the job done.  I like the copper nail for punch notching, but I know you prefer the abo.
Title: Re: notching ?
Post by: jamie on February 20, 2010, 05:35:28 pm
thank you. ive been sitting here today working notches and reworking some old ones. gotta tell ya there is a serious pucker factor when they get deeper!  :o
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Post by: mullet on February 20, 2010, 07:30:40 pm
  Jamie, I've watched Claude set up skinny platforms in narrow notch's using a percussion flake for grinding.
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Post by: Stringman on February 22, 2010, 12:34:38 pm
Now that there's a good idea! I'll hafta try that.
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Post by: jamie on February 22, 2010, 07:38:49 pm
love to sit with that man, and watch
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Post by: Lombard on February 22, 2010, 08:07:28 pm
Jamie, that is a right fine point.