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Title: Hickory - Heat Treat?
Post by: Et_tu_brute on March 20, 2010, 04:03:09 pm
Hi All,

Well I've got a great stave of Hickory for a selfbow, 73" ttt, no pins or knots, pipe straight and 1 3/4" at the fades. I've cut it out on the bandsaw and its ready for the belly to be reduced then to start tillering. I'm after about 70#@30" from this. Would it be a good idea to heat treat the belly on this bow? I was a little worried about it chrysaling and wondered if heat treating would be worth it to try and prevent this.

All and any advice is appreciated!

Dave
Title: Re: Hickory - Heat Treat?
Post by: Pat B on March 20, 2010, 05:09:01 pm
  The bow will only chrysal if you put a hinge in it.  ;D   Hickory is a good candidate for heat treating. At 73" your bow shouldn't get over stressed even at a 30" draw.
Title: Re: Hickory - Heat Treat?
Post by: Et_tu_brute on March 20, 2010, 06:11:11 pm
Thanks Pat  ;D I suppose I was just getting a bit paranoid about the back, being so strong in tension, overpowering the belly a little.
Title: Re: Hickory - Heat Treat?
Post by: Pat B on March 20, 2010, 07:28:07 pm
The only way a hickory selfbow back will overpower the belly is if you overpower the belly.  ;)
Title: Re: Hickory - Heat Treat?
Post by: Kegan on March 20, 2010, 07:29:34 pm
Like Pat said, you don't need to heat treat it to prevent failure, but it sure does help performance ;)
Title: Re: Hickory - Heat Treat?
Post by: George Tsoukalas on March 20, 2010, 08:47:30 pm
Chrysals are caused when a part of the limb bends  too much. Bad tillering caused hinges. Jawge
Title: Re: Hickory - Heat Treat?
Post by: Et_tu_brute on March 21, 2010, 07:10:35 am
Thanks guys, one last thing, this stave is all sapwood, will this make any difference?
Title: Re: Hickory - Heat Treat?
Post by: bambule on March 21, 2010, 09:30:52 am
Sapwood is good for Hickory. My Hickory with a heartwood belly was a torture to tiller because that stuff wouldn't bent. Also heat treating the core was a pain because not movement at all - just straight. So sapwood from Hickory is the best you can have.
Title: Re: Hickory - Heat Treat?
Post by: Et_tu_brute on March 21, 2010, 09:57:13 am
Excellent, thanks for all the help gents :)
Title: Re: Hickory - Heat Treat?
Post by: sailordad on March 21, 2010, 12:03:52 pm
i agree that hick sap wood makes great bows,however there is nothing wrong with
hick heartwood either.
i have made bows that were both ways,and even two that had both
no problems for me,and i am by far from a great bowyer
Title: Re: Hickory - Heat Treat?
Post by: Pat B on March 21, 2010, 12:06:45 pm
Hickory sapwood is all I have ever used for bows.
Title: Re: Hickory - Heat Treat?
Post by: nclonghunter on March 21, 2010, 01:24:23 pm
I recently split a hickory log and one of the splits ran thinner than I wanted, but I removed the bark and reduced it to a flat "D" bow design. I then let it dry for a month in my garage and began tillering it. I did not check the poundage, but it was near 35-40#. I recently burned some brush and when the wood burnt down to coals I slowly moved the bow across the coals. The bows belly darkend and took on a nice color. When I went to string the bow it was quickly obvious the bows draw weight had increased and shoots harder. I  suspect it increased to 50#, but has softened some after shooting. Not much scientific stuff here but I do now believe that heating the belly changes the performance, at least in hickory.