Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Shooting and Hunting => Topic started by: kinkfeather on August 27, 2010, 04:18:43 pm
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their are hunters out there that believe the quickest way to success is the compound bow.they do not want to take the time or the energy to be a responisble hunter.we as primitive arcers are in all aspects of the hunt.we take the time an energy to make are own equipment.they believe if a shot at a deer out of their killing range take it an see if you can make the shot.they are not being a responsible hunter.if they wound a deer they will not take the time an energy to track it down.their are alot of people out their that do not know the consept of being a responsible hunter or they do not care.that is one reason i do not visit the archery shops during deer season too much bull crap going on.most archery shop now do not carry traditional equipment.my killing range 20 yds any thing over that is risky shot will not take it.i do not care if it is the biggest buck in the state.i am a meat hunter.the trophy to me is the meat an not what is setting on top of a deers head.i have found too many deer with their heads cut off that is sickening.i am so glad to be in the company of responsible hunters.kink
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Amen! And I believe there are a lot of old timers, Native Americans and otherwise who rejoice from up above when they hear someone speak up who feels like we do in this day and age.
CP
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I think we need to be careful making generalized statements. I know a lot of guys who hunt all kinds of weapons who are among the most honorable hunters that ever lived. I have friends who shoot wood bows but wont hunt with them because they are more capeable with their compound, that is responsible. I also see nothing wrong with hunting for animals with big horns. Here we can only take one deer per year, and I will pass on small bucks often in hopes of getting a big buck. I have yet to shoot a big horned deer that has less meat than a baby. ;)
Guys that take heads and leave the rest are poachers not hunters. They wouldn't be afraid to shoot it out of season any more than they would to leave the meat. They also wouldn't hesitate to use a rifle or crossbow during bow season, legal or not.
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I agree with Justin, I know some very good hunters that use Compounds also.
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but you would have to agree with me that we do have some bad hunters out there.i have not met a traditional bow hunter that was not a responsible hunter.too many people want to hunt antlers than meat.some hunters want to brag about what they have killed.some hunters believe that killing a big buck is the sign you are a better hunter.a responsible hunter will help manage wildlife.their are 2 different points of view here an i understand respect bolt.if i offended anyone that was not my intention.i was just speaking of my experences.if you noticed i said some hunters we that offends any body so be it . ;D kink
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i think it is getting close to deer season.i see the buck fever poping out all over the place. ;D kink
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I do hear what you are saying, kink. While, like Justin said, plenty of compound hunters are responsible, a goodly portion are less than admirable. But then take the traditional/primitive crowd, and you'd be hard pressed to find an 'unethical' hunter among them. Probably goes with the nature of being willing to take the time to make your own equipment, etc.
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i have known some trad hunters that dont need to hunt at all. they dont know their limits. same goes for guns, wheel bows, and all. there is good and bad in all, you just gota be the best you can. i got a new wheel bow this year after forever with a stick and string, but i have some deer on this ranch i run that is in the 180,s several in 150,s , iam a better shot with the compound at 40 yards. wont shot past 20 with my sticks, and i like the horns. as far as meat i do d-map get bout 50 to 60 extra doe tags this year. we got way to many 11 to 1 doe to buck. way i look at it as long as your in the woods with what ever you choose to hunt with thats better than out doing dope or stealing, ect....... good hunting and luck to all.
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all good points-Bottom line is ethics and honor no matter what weapon you choose to carry.While afield there is usually never a judge or jury to warrant your actions.It,s all up to YOU!have a great day and good luck to all this fall-Lloyd
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The people warning you of generalizations are right.
I just came back from a weekend event where I was deeply offended by a primitive hunter talking about shooting deer in people's front yards and leaving the gutpile, he laughed about it and said it was really funny to watch someone's bigscreen tv thru their big picture window while he was gutting the deer. And this was not some anonymous peon, this is a guy that has appeared on the cover of PA, has had numerous articles in the magazine, and yet doesn't understand the most basic tenets of ethics. Hate to have to say it, but don't lump us all in one category just because we are on this website, subscribe to the PA, or pen articles for the magazine.
Let it be known I will not shoot with this person, hunt with this person, or even have my picture taken with him in the frame.
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Also, everybody has a different Idea about Ethics. Some people prefer eating deer with spots because they are tender and wouldn't bother shooting a Monster 12 point buck. And then say he was an Ethical Hunter because he was shooting small, tender, just enough meat for him, deer.
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Also, everybody has a different Idea about Ethics. Some people prefer eating deer with spots because they are tender and wouldn't bother shooting a Monster 12 point buck. And then say he was an Ethical Hunter because he was shooting small, tender, just enough meat for him, deer.
i see nothing wrong with that
i dont eat a lot of venison,but do like a little
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i apologize to this web site for using general statements. was not my intention to offend anyone.i will be careful in the future. a hunter using compound bows,guns,crossbows can be a responsible hunter too.i hunt for the meat so i have a one sided view. i feed 3 families an need the meat.i do not think i am better than any one else.i hope no one believes that if they do they are wrong.we all have to stick together or we could loose our hunting rights.maybe i was a moron on this issue.i apologize to each an every one.their are times when words can not be taken back.i hope this is not one of those times.kink
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No worries, Kink.
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i apologize to this web site for using general statements. was not my intention to offend anyone.i will be careful in the future. a hunter using compound bows,guns,crossbows can be a responsible hunter too.i hunt for the meat so i have a one sided view. i feed 3 families an need the meat.i do not think i am better than any one else.i hope no one believes that if they do they are wrong.we all have to stick together or we could loose our hunting rights.maybe i was a moron on this issue.i apologize to each an every one.their are times when words can not be taken back.i hope this is not one of those times.kink
I appreciate the gesture, but there really is no need to apologize. I don't think you meant to offend, just maybe didn't understand all of the implications of what you were suggesting. There are a lot of loser's in this world, and a lot of good people. I prefer not to associate those who waste game with real hunters. They are few in number but give all of us a bad name. Having said that, all of us hunters need to stick together to defeat the anti hunting anti game management groups. I have always been offended by a few local black powder hunters who attack bow hunters. Every time they attack the image of bowhunters they help the anti groups. We all stick together or we all go down together.
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All hunters need to support and stick together. I've hunted with slingshots, compounds, 22's, whatever I can hunt with. If you do it for meat or for the horns, it's a personnel preference. I know guy's that hunt Traditional for horns only. But the deer is cleaned and the meat given away.
I've noticed on a lot of sites is it is almost foolish to let people know how you like to hunt. There will always be somebody to complain about your hunting style or YOUR PERSONNEL HUNTING ETHICS. I hunt for meat. But like others have said, if big horns walk by, I'm shooting.
Also with my work schedule now, I'm thinking about saving my money for a once in a lifetime hunt. I do not think anybody has a right to judge another person on their hunting habits or lifestyle. JMO, if everybody is going to the woods for the right reasons, it's a Personnel thing.
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Well, here in Flagstaff near opening day, liquor stores hang orange banners with various beer company logos on them that say "Welcome Hunters!" on them. To me, this is pretty disgusting and does nothing for the image of hunters. This feeds the stereotype of "Drunk hunters out there shooting at everything that moves..." that many people who are against hunting use. I've found there are three kinds of anti-hunters. The first is a utopianist who thinks we should all be vegans and never kill any living being and that's where the politically-active ones come from. The second is opposed the idea of killing animals because we have meat in the store and these are some of the people who vote against hunting. The third is against hunting because of some negative experience with hunters or having personally witnessed something disturbing. This third group also includes people who lost a loved one in a preventable hunting accident. All three of these people see these banners and see total confirmation that their stereotypes are correct. And we've had two people here shot and killed by high power rifles during elk season from people shooting at movement. They died hard, terrible deaths---totally preventable deaths. One was shot by a family member who'll have to live with that for the rest of his life. And liquor stores hang banners to welcome hunters...
About the banner, what do we teach kids about firearms safety, or bow safety for that matter? Never shoot while drinking. So what message do those banners tell kids we're trying to teach the right way? Do as we say, not as we do? That doesn't work. Anyone who snuck out dad or mom's cigarettes or booze knows that. And what do those banners tell the public? That what we say and what we do (and live) are two different things. And there are people that support those banners saying it supports hunting. Well....no. I support ethical hunting, not all hunting. If someone is shooting game from a helicopter, I say that's wrong. I don't care if it's legal where they are, it's still wrong. What's legal isn't always ethical and what's ethical isn't always legal. If someone does something I'm ethically opposed to, I don't support them. I don't like trophy hunting. Never have, never will. I'm very strict on reasons I take life and I don't take life flippantly or for personal aggrandizement. Am I asking everyone to do as I do? No. I live a life that's very an eclectic, so to speak. It's unfair if I ask others to do that. But, quid pro quo, I'm not going to gulp air to keep my lunch down and support trophy hunters just because they're "hunters". When I say "trophy hunting", I'm talking about people that kill animals solely to put a head on the wall and inflate their egos.
Just my own opinions...
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Well, here in Flagstaff near opening day, liquor stores hang orange banners with various beer company logos on them that say "Welcome Hunters!" on them. To me, this is pretty disgusting and does nothing for the image of hunters. This feeds the stereotype of "Drunk hunters out there shooting at everything that moves..."
Hmmm. Reminds me of taking the "Winston" out of NASCAR...
Maybe the owners think that if the hunters are liquored up, they'll spend more on huntin' supplies. :P Heck, the last time I was shopping in [insert name of overpriced glorified hunting apparel and gear store here] I felt like downing a few drinks. :D
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did some soul searching.went out an shot my recurve bows found out that i was a better shot with them.i made some longbows this year an swore to hunt with them.one thing that bothers me is not making a good shot.i believe i owe to the game i hunt the best shot i can make.i think alot of bow hunters struggle with this decision.i an not ready to hunt with my longbows yet.go with what best works for me.made some wooden arrows this year but they do not shoot as good as my carbons.so i will use carbons to hunt with.now for compounds no reason to hunt with some thing that does not feel comfortable with.no sights the same reason,releace no for the same reason.now the stablizer does quieten my bow down an add stability.now i do make my own strings it is cheaper.i am a meat hunter not a traditional yet.kink
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thanks alot scott.kink
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I'll bet it has more to do with the number of compound hunters versus the number of primitive or traditional hunters.
There are quite a few compound hunters and x% of them are unethical. I'd say it's likely the
same percentage of primitive or traditional hunters who are unethical as well..........
simply speculation on my part, but something to consider.
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I happen to work for a beer company and I am looking at one of our signs hung in my office.It says
No matter what game you are after [HUNT RESPONSIBLY] It's our sport protect it. Coors Light.
I see nothing wrong with that. :) :) I am a meat hunter also but I don't have a problem with the horn hunters,I have several friends that do that and are very ethical hunters, [compound guys]they usually give me the meat and I like that part of it. :) :)
Pappy
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Alot of good stuff on this thread. And I think that's what makes this site just that little bit better. Put this somewhere else, and you'll either get a bandwagon of self righteous folks you'd never actually share a camp with if given the choice, or a bunch of people jumping down your throat for just tying to get some of your own ideas sorted out!
I've personally seen more than a few traditionally equipped folks hunting when they had no business doing so. Folks who couldn't hit a pie plate more than half the time at ten yards are saying they'll "keep it to 25 yards this year". It's easy to lump compounders into some evil crowd but the truth is there are alot of good hunters out there. Some one mentioned it just being a numbers thing, and I believe that's it. Has nothing to do with what you use, but who you are. Even with a .30-30 rifle my brother won't shoot past 35 yards or so. Likewise, this year I've helped several people start building but so far they're all sticking with their wheels this season because they don't want wounding. This spirit is growing and I think this thread shows that- ehtics is ethics. Man I love this place for that :)
One thing about trophy hunting. There are two types. The first is the type you see on those horn-porn shows. All about showing off. The other is personal trophy hunting. Adding the limitation on yourself of not shooting anything below a given size parameter. I know a few folks who hunt this way and for them it's the same as if someone else was switching from a compound to a recurve. Just a limitation on yourself and your shots. They don't really brag about it, or do anything over the top to bring down a deer with antlers so big it takes two guys to carry them. Just a personal limit. It's like just not wanting to shoot does. Reasons not to shoot, challenges one places on themself. I see nothing wrong with that, given the site we're on ;)
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It's all good, Kink. Hunt with your effinglass abomination this year, practice up good and hard and then hunt next year with one of the even better bows I know you are going to build!
I am proud to share this community with you because you took the prey animal's point of view into consideration and put your ego aside to make this hard decision. I've seen you struggling to turn out a bow that was of good quality and I enjoyed seeing your efforts pay off. By next year you'll have the chops to hunt with a bow of your own hands. Luck, pard!
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thanks alot jw.i love making bows as much as hunting now.i feel i can make a better bow some day.i do have trouble with set.because i know i can do better.i get in too big of a hurry.i need to slow down.i have a problem.i want to make a bow now an go hunting now.saturday is deer season i want to go hunting but i also want to make a bow.for me to get the deer meat i need.i need to hunt hard for the next few months.i enjoy every minute i am in the woods.deer meat is a bonus for my family an a need.our ancestors know what i am talking about.when i was working i hunted every minute i could now i am retired i can hunt all the time legally that is.i would rather be in the woods in the fall than any other time of the year.jw you have a great day i sure enjoy your company.kink
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Respect is key in the hunting world and to help keep hunting good. Ive been taught respect since i was first taken into the woods when i was an infant. Ive always learned to never give up when tracking and ive been taught to read sign the best i can in order to make sure the game is not lost and to push yourself(not the game) to track an animal. Right on to everyone on here who knows deep respect for animals and the wild world.
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Kegan and Hunter;
I have to say you two young men are growing up to be some very, respectable, role models for young and old. I wish a lot of people had ya'lls attitude about hunting. Thank you guy's, it is refreshing.
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Dido's Eddie :)
Pappy
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Kegan and Hunter;
I have to say you two young men are growing up to be some very, respectable, role models for young and old. I wish a lot of people had ya'lls attitude about hunting. Thank you guy's, it is refreshing.
Thanks Eddie and Pappy, means alot coming from you guys ;D!
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Pappy, I have no problem with the signs you have. But the ones here just say "Welcome Hunters!" with two big beer logos on either side and they hang in front of every lquor store and quick-beer stop in town. I used to work at a place with a sizeable number of anti-hunter co-workers. Those signs were always brought up in conversations with them. I never defended those signs. I said those signs are embarrassing. The point is, we have to remember what the non-hunting public sees. They outnumber us and can write letters and vote.
On trophy hunting, that's just my opinion. I'm not saying others should live by it, but I won't defend trophy hunting publicly or privately. My only caveat is, as I said, we have to remember what the non-hunting public sees and perceives. In my conversations with anti-hunters---and I worked alongside these people for ten years---about 60% of them could understand the concept of hunting for meat. Some might be vegetarians, but some of them actually respected the fact I took personal responsibility for killing my own meat. Because many of them used the argument regarding eating meat that, "Well, you wouldn't eat meat if you had to kill it yourself!" Ummmm....I do. And...your next point? But the idea all of them opposed, was the idea of some guy killing an animal just to hang it's head up on his wall. That garners the most vehement arguments against hunting out of them all. Hunters can say, "Well, to heck with them!" But again, the non-hunting public outnumber us. Personally, I don't want to lose my ability to go out and make some rabbit meat just because some guy wants to bring home a bunch of heads to put on his wall. Again, just my opinions.
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I never gave much thought to the "Welcome Hunters" signs over bars and liquor stores until it was mentioned on this thread. It does kinda paint us with a wide brush not of our choosing. I see forests of those flags here in South Dakota looking to lure in yet anouther outa-state pheasant hunter hoping to squeeze yet another buck outa him. I guess it rubs me the wrong way, making business outa hunting, I mean, hunting is something more akin to a church service than business opportunity in my life. Enter something here about beating the living crap outa money changers in a temple here.
And I preach the gospel of killing your own meat to vegetarians and vegans and I have found that I get a healthy dose of respect from them, IF I CAN GET 'EM TO LISTEN. And I got a nice mule deer mount up on my wall, and I am glad to explain to people that I ate every last bite and morsel of his carcass, made tools from several bones, gave the hide to a brain tanner, and made sure all the rest of the inedible parts were carefully scattered thru the woods to be returned to where it came from. Tsalagi has an excellent point, the non-hunting population outnumbers us, but we can counter their misconceptions with facts and good ethics.
Unfortunately, that small percentage, the guy that gets away from the wife for a three day trip to South Dakota to hunt pheasants reinforces that stereotype by drinking a little too much, dropping a few too many singles in the strip bar (the one that isn't a strip bar the rest of the year), and generally being a slob. That is what I think of when I see those "Welcome Hunters" signs. I can only imagine what the non-hunting voting public sees.
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Very good points, JW. About some of the anti-hunters, there are a few that won't be convinced no matter what we do. And, at the point, I usually wheel out my reverse psychology and accuse them of "cultural imperialism" since they're trying to deny me my own heritage and force me to live their lifestyle. The backpedaling after that is really entertaining, because it forces them to actually have to think about it. It's hard for them to counter that, because it's not something they can deal with being accused of.
When some anti-hunters hear that you not only hunt, but forage and preserve food, make your own stuff, and use as much of the Earth's bounty as possible, they almost get a little envious. They're paying $12.00 an ounce for dried Porcini mushrooms, I'm out there picking them for free. They're paying $6.00 for a piece of pinyon sap the size of your thumb tip, I'm out there collecting it for free. As far as the anti-hunters that eat meat (there are a number of them), they're out there paying $12.00 a pound for farm-raised rabbit. I'm out there getting as many as I want for a bit over $34 a year. And better quality meat, too. They're going to pay $15.00 a pound for black walnuts, and I'm going to get those for free, too. I know of one guy in this town who used to be a major anti-hunter----until he saw his neighbor not buying meat. Guy hunts now. You're not guaranteed a deer, but I can pretty much guarantee rabbit and jackrabbit.
Being an anti-hunter just limits your choices when it comes to being frugal and REAL Natural, and not just store-label "natural".
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Responsible comes before during and after the shot, no matter the weapon. Rifle hunting I had taken an "easy" shot but made a mistake and hit a sapling, the shot went errant and hit too far back. My hunting partner and I set out through the swamp in the big woods, crossed the river 3 times in a bunch of switchbacks... at the forth crossing my partner sort of lost it, called me every name in the book, said I was nuts, we were too far back in, it was too late etc etc etc. I told Him to turn back, I'd shuck down to my skivies and he could toss my clothes across to me, but he didn't think he would find His way and that I should give up.
Well I guided him back to the cottage and he left for home, then I got the wife and we drove a firelane with no luck, then stopped by another camp and went over maps and went back to the cabin and the wife says, well if it crossed a 4th time, its back on the same side you started, so just head out before first light and follow the river till you get back to where you stopped but now on the other side. Sure enough she had a great idea, 10am I found him 30 yards past where he crossed last, by 2:30pm I had him in the truck, by 7:00pm I was back in town at work for a 12 hour shift (tired as all get out) and I get a phone call from my hunting buddy and he goes on to say not to worry , everyone at his work agrees, there was no use going after that deer more...
Then I told Him I found him, and yes I had the tenderloins ready for lunch that night...
Thing was I screwed up, that deer was MY responsibility, I didn't yell back at my buddy, he was doing me a favor, I helped him get back out, but I was NOT done, My Mistake, My responsibility and well I figure I'd have spent the rest of that season not taking a shot at another deer, I had already fatally wounded one. It's life was given for Me to feed My family and I and that was that. And even though it was not a "Trophy" I did have the head mounted, that deer had alot of meaning to me, maybe it defines a part of me...
I'll hunt with anything and I love every style I have tried, but I am always the same.
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Cool story,been there done that,now I have a tracking dog. :)Spent many nights tracking gut shot deer for myself and other good friends,track till time for work and if we hadn't found it come back after work. Flesh wound is different but gut shot you know it's going to die, just a matter of weather you find it or not. ;) :)
Pappy
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bowhunting a bottom one year with my buddy.shot a doe over a scrape i just took one lung out an sliced the bottom of the other.my so called buddy wanted to go after her wright then because he wanted to get home he was having a party that night.i told him we needed to wait for at least 1 hr.he told me he had to leave sooner.i told him i would take him home wright now an come back so i did.came back an tracked her for at least 1/2 mile.took about 4 hrs.she never did lay down at all.came upon her in a clover field about 50 yds away laying down.she could hardly get up.she got up then layed back down.i eased out of their went back to my truck an went home.next morning went back at the crack of dawn.drove my truck up to about 30 yds on the road an their she was.i felt her body it was still warm.cut her open seen 1 lung busted an the other sliced.their was not much blood in her.how she went that far beats me.i know she was not pushed.she went to that open field for safety.i was hunting with a 43 lb recurve,bear razerheads,wooden arrows.no pass through.i was very very lucky.i believe a pass through shot is a must for a clean,quick kill my opinion.the shot was between 18 to 20 yds a 1/4 angle shot.the broadhead was sharp.she did not bleed for about 30 yds.then a steady fine stream.i took my time so i would not push her.if she had of layed down earlier.i would have backed off untill the next day.it was cold so i did not worry about bad meat.the arrow came out with in 10 yds of where she was standing.the point i am trying to make is their are so many factors in making a good clean,quick kill.i am proud of that young man for being a responsible hunter an not given up.their are responsible hunters out their with gun or bow.i am going out an buy me a crossbow wright now an learn to shoot it.i owe it to myself an the deer to be the best i can be up to 20 yds.i figure my eye sight,my muscles an my stamina is not that great any more.so why not make my hunting more enjoyable.crossbows have good penetration,they are accurate,they are fast.kink
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Just read through this thread. I'm enjoying it.
I'm in the middle of my hunter's safety course right now. It's a valuable experience. My hunting experiences are only beginning, now in my mid-thirties, and I'm having to be "self taught". But for me it's about a journey to better understand who I am, what I value, and what I want to become.
I sense there are people in the class who are out there to bypass "ethics" and just make it through the class to have the license and act like Jungle Jim - Johnny tough-guy.
I could go on and on about people and their actions, but there's no point. I'll simply say, the longer I'm around and the more I encounter, the more leary I become of man. That said, comeraderie is why I spend as much time on this site as I do. Wish it could be on closer terms with many.
Kinkfeather - I admire your evolution through this thread. I respect it.
Striving for "humane" kills, wildlife conservation, meat, and the total experience are what I'm focused on. The rest is about personal development and "doing the proper thing even when others aren't watching".
Best wishes fellas.
Parnell
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got me a crossbow it has peep sights.shot about 40 bolts through it to get it sighted in at 20 yds.boy does that crossbow shoot great.at 20 yds my groups were less than 3".now i admire the traditional shooters but i have to shoot what i can shoot best.i am scared of wounding a deer an need extra help.i put up my pop up blind about 20 yds from a game trail.now when i say game trail i mean deer,coyote,an turkey.i can get in my blind an hunt what ever comes by.i went to the doctor to see if i qualified for a disability permit.the doctor told me with the arther,cancer an no thyriod,but mainly arther in shoulders an hands.i would definitely qualify.thanks to fish an wildlife department i can still hunt.not as much as i use to but i can still hunt.thanks to this web site an all the hunters that visit it.i realize that you can not be head strong an your way is the only way.hunt with what you want too but please be safe an responsible hunter.because people are watching an listening to us.we all need to stay together.by the way i might sleep in that pop up blind.kink
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Responsible comes before during and after the shot, no matter the weapon. Rifle hunting I had taken an "easy" shot but made a mistake and hit a sapling, the shot went errant and hit too far back. My hunting partner and I set out through the swamp in the big woods, crossed the river 3 times in a bunch of switchbacks... at the forth crossing my partner sort of lost it, called me every name in the book, said I was nuts, we were too far back in, it was too late etc etc etc. I told Him to turn back, I'd shuck down to my skivies and he could toss my clothes across to me, but he didn't think he would find His way and that I should give up.
Well I guided him back to the cottage and he left for home, then I got the wife and we drove a firelane with no luck, then stopped by another camp and went over maps and went back to the cabin and the wife says, well if it crossed a 4th time, its back on the same side you started, so just head out before first light and follow the river till you get back to where you stopped but now on the other side. Sure enough she had a great idea, 10am I found him 30 yards past where he crossed last, by 2:30pm I had him in the truck, by 7:00pm I was back in town at work for a 12 hour shift (tired as all get out) and I get a phone call from my hunting buddy and he goes on to say not to worry , everyone at his work agrees, there was no use going after that deer more...
Then I told Him I found him, and yes I had the tenderloins ready for lunch that night...
Thing was I screwed up, that deer was MY responsibility, I didn't yell back at my buddy, he was doing me a favor, I helped him get back out, but I was NOT done, My Mistake, My responsibility and well I figure I'd have spent the rest of that season not taking a shot at another deer, I had already fatally wounded one. It's life was given for Me to feed My family and I and that was that. And even though it was not a "Trophy" I did have the head mounted, that deer had alot of meaning to me, maybe it defines a part of me...
I'll hunt with anything and I love every style I have tried, but I am always the same.
Fingers I had this same experience happen to me a few years back,only with a bow and i never found the deer.He took a step as I shot and got him a lil far back.I give him 2hrs and started on his trail but this dude never stoppped.Never bedded down,went uphill,everything against the book.Blood finally ran out after a mile or so and i looked for that deer everyday for a week.Never seen crows buzzards nada.He wasnt huge meat woulda been bad but i owed it to that deer to do everything i could to find him.Far as i know hes still running round with that arrow.As hunters we owe it to the animal good shot or bad to do everything in your power to recover it.(or give it one hell of a go)I think alot of people could do some learning from stories like ours!!Good hunting!!
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check out a new hunting ground that my friend 99 years old has.looks good plenty of sign day time bedding ground.real real thick brush but good trails leading in an out.what is so good their is a small pond they are using alot.it is real dry an hot here in kentucky.another good point is around this land their are alot of hunting so they can push deer into heavy cover.most hunters want hunt the heavy stuff.it is easy to get to all flat ground.alot of acrons bording this land.my friend has been feeding deer in has back yard.they come in late at night or real early in the morning.now he does not get up until about 8.30 or 9.00 a.m. so they may come in early an go to the pond to drink then bed down maybe.morning hunts are better now because of the moon an it is cooler.do anyone believe in the moon phases i do.kink
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set up pop up blind near acrons on ground waiting for cooler weather.too hot to shoot a deer now.62 degrees in the morning an at 9.00 am 73 degrees by 4p.m.91 degrees.it has been extremely hot an dry this year.have not had rain in 6 weeks 1 little shower for 4 minutes.i believe we are going to have a bad winter.the deer are staying close to water an not moving much.the ground is like walking on steel wool.we had alot of rain the the spring so we do have alot of acrons.the colder it gets the better i like it.the jet stream is high when those cold fronts start to dip down then the jet stream will come down an look out good hunting is on the way.thank goodness i have plenty of friends an prenty of places to hunt.i do not like to hunt 1 place all the time.you leave too much scent.but i do have a honey hole that i favor.kink
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hunted yesterday evening too HOT seen no deer going to wait until cooler weather.kink
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moon phases do have their merit but they do have their flaws.weather,food,hunting pressure,bedding grounds, rut all have to be considered. hunt all the time as long as it is legal.trial an error is the best teacher.we are all students an the game is the teacher.a professional is a person who thinks he knows it all.if hunting all the time is boring to some people then i guess i am a boring person.their is no quick solution to hunting an i am glad of that.if it was easy then i would not do it.i would be bored.the attitude that every time i go out hunting i have to kill is a myth.we do not want to miss out on all the other precious things around use at that time.if i went all year with out killing a deer.i would still have a good hunting season.enjoying being in the woods is the most important thing harvesting the game is a bonus.kink
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Extremely hot and dry here, too. No rain for weeks... ground is crispy... we've been about to 99 degrees with high humidity the last few days :-\ We're still a couple of weeks away from season, though, so no worries... yet.
One bright side though: I finished my stand today and checked the camera at my food plot. Result: a family of coons and a few doe. So at least SOMETHING is my line of sights this season. :P
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Kink; Those temperatures would be ideal for archery season down here.
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it would be for me to if i had a thyroid can not control my body temperature if i get hot it takes me about 3 hours to cool down.if i were 10 yrs younger it would not be a problem.it would be hard for me to get a deer out of the woods an save the meat.when you set in a pop up blind it is hoter.there is plenty of time to hunt so no hurry.i do have it lucky i can hunt any day an any time.i am retired.next week it is to be hot an dry our time will come.i have been getting every thing ready for winter.i mean my honey do list is done.i have to be very careful in hot weather but when it gets cold it is a blessing then i can regulate my body temperature real good.there are alot of deer this year meat on the table.the days are getting shorter you know what that means the temps will get cooler.some people will be saying it too cold not me it is the best time of the year for me.kink
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well may be in 3 more days the weather is going to change to cooler temps.time to start getting serious about hunting an have some fun.winter is a coming every thing is ready just go an have fun.we are in a drought thats what they.the grass is brown.the leaves are coming off the trees.the days are getting shorter.kink
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weather is good.deer is in winter mode.had shots too small.kink