Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => HowTo's and Build-a-longs => Topic started by: Dean Marlow on October 06, 2010, 08:43:15 am
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I had a fellow stop in last night wanting an Osage Selfbow and I measured his draw length and it was a 31". The longest arms I have ever measured on a person. I measure from the chest straight out to the tips of his fingers for draw length. Is this the right way to measure? If that is O.K. how long of a bow should I go with. It will be 1-1/2" wide and 50 to 55 pounds on the draw weight. Dean
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Dean,
I do it the same way using a yard stick in the center of the chest. If you want this fella to get a lot of use of the bow and he's going into a small blind or something, think I'd go with a full 72" on that stick.....not because it couldn't be shorter but just for the "abuse" factor that goes with somebody's first stick bow............JMO
Oh ya, if he hasn't shot a stick before I dont believe he's gonna get the whole 31" at draw ....but You may want to tiller it out that far anyway......another "just in case" thing to do.
rich
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I measure from the chest to the base of the thumb. For 31"- I would go at least 62 with a D bow. Add handle length for a non bending handle.
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I had a fellow stop in last night wanting an Osage Selfbow and I measured his draw length and it was a 31". The longest arms I have ever measured on a person. I measure from the chest straight out to the tips of his fingers for draw length. Is this the right way to measure? If that is O.K. how long of a bow should I go with. It will be 1-1/2" wide and 50 to 55 pounds on the draw weight. Dean
It depends altogether how far he intends to draw the arrow, whether to the Ford "corner of the mouth" or to the ear or beyond as mediaeval archers or modern warbow shooters do. Those are different length arrows.
Erik
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I had my draw length measured by pulling back an arrow to anchor that was marked every inch. I got thinking about how to measure this on other people without a bow and arrow, so I took a cloth measuring tape and just measured from the web of my bow hand, to my anchor point (corner of mouth). As you would probably guess, it was the same distance as when I measured with the bow and arrow (minus the thickness of the bow's handle). I would think if you're going to use a tape measure, why not measure from the palm of the bowhand to the intended anchor point? Can't get much more accurate than that!
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I had my draw length measured by pulling back an arrow to anchor that was marked every inch. I got thinking about how to measure this on other people without a bow and arrow, so I took a cloth measuring tape and just measured from the web of my bow hand, to my anchor point (corner of mouth). As you would probably guess, it was the same distance as when I measured with the bow and arrow (minus the thickness of the bow's handle). I would think if you're going to use a tape measure, why not measure from the palm of the bowhand to the intended anchor point? Can't get much more accurate than that!
If you wish to use the modern corner of the mouth anchor point, which has no place in warbow shooting or in this forum, you might as well also use the arbitrary 28 inch arrow length that goes with it. Also, you may find your draw length shorter when drawing a strong bow than what you measured without tension.
Erik
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erik, why woulndt the modern corner of the mouth anchor point have any place in this forum?
when i first got into trad archery(after a 30 yr absence)i had no idea of my draw length
i took and arrow and marked it every inch and did precisley what cameroo stated
i draw empty handed(no bow) just the arrow and looked to see what the arrow should at the web of my hand
i also anchor at the mouth or a tad in front of it
but i dont like a 28" arrow,i like mine at 30"
i dont see why this wouldnt have a place here
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erik, why woulndt the modern corner of the mouth anchor point have any place in this forum?
when i first got into trad archery(after a 30 yr absence)i had no idea of my draw length
i took and arrow and marked it every inch and did precisley what cameroo stated
i draw empty handed(no bow) just the arrow and looked to see what the arrow should at the web of my hand
i also anchor at the mouth or a tad in front of it
but i dont like a 28" arrow,i like mine at 30"
i dont see why this wouldnt have a place here
You must have really long arms.The forum is a “Primitive Archery’ forum. Early Englishmen drew to the breast or drew to the ear until the nineteenth century Victorian archery of an afternoon gentlemen’s social event changed the rules to include the corner-of-the-mouth anchor point as well as the tiller of longbows. I don’t believe that the Victorian period is considered “primitive”.
It is the “English Longbow Society” that does the Victorian thing.
Erik
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I think you are too caught up in labels there Eric. VERY few people on here shoot primitive bows by your standards. And even fewer shoot in a period accurate way. Primitive Archer forum and Magazine is a Big Tent. I'm not a primitive archer but I shoot and make bows made from wood and PA welcomes me. That's good enough for me ;D
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If you wish to use the modern corner of the mouth anchor point, which has no place in warbow shooting or in this forum, you might as well also use the arbitrary 28 inch arrow length that goes with it. Erik
Apparently I have been here under false premises. I am sorry for besmirching the very honor of this worthy society of Primitive Archery by my ignorance and poor form. I shall go away and never stain the website with my corner-of-the-mouth anchor point. For that matter, I shall endeavor to replace all my modern cloth garments with half dressed skins, dig the modern fillings from my teeth, eschew modern medicine and dentistry altogether and do away with the use of the unclean computer by which I have been posting my heathen and heretical rantings. Goodbye all, I shall miss you all.
Well, most of you anyway. >:D
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If you wish to use the modern corner of the mouth anchor point, which has no place in warbow shooting or in this forum, you might as well also use the arbitrary 28 inch arrow length that goes with it. Erik
Apparently I have been here under false premises. I am sorry for besmirching the very honor of this worthy society of Primitive Archery by my ignorance and poor form. I shall go away and never stain the website with my corner-of-the-mouth anchor point. For that matter, I shall endeavor to replace all my modern cloth garments with half dressed skins, dig the modern fillings from my teeth, eschew modern medicine and dentistry altogether and do away with the use of the unclean computer by which I have been posting my heathen and heretical rantings. Goodbye all, I shall miss you all.
Well, most of you anyway. >:D
yup thems my feelings too
this site isnt the only one for primitive
on the others no one would bitch about the way i draw or where i anchor
eric i have a q or two for you
why would i have to have realy long arms,just cause i like long arrows
alot of tribal people to this day still shoot,what we would consider ,excessivly long arrows
how do you know exactly how people drew their bows or anchor point were in primiitve times,and i aint talking about midevil london here
i mean primitive times like paleo times and before.
persoanlly i dont give rats backside what the elb society does
sure i make elbs,but i dont gt caught up in all that bs that they do
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Erik- you need to get over yourself and weird rules you think run this forum. Who cares if you pull to your chest or a foot behind your neck ???
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Hmmm, good point. We are going to have to set up a filter so that the people on Papua-New Guinea cannot post on here becaue the stupid heathens are shooting 48-55" arrows. And they aren't even fletching them like all primitive arrows are supposed to be. Global Moderators! You have your assignment. Ban the P-NG people!
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yup thems my feelings too
this site isnt the only one for primitive
on the others no one would bitch about the way i draw or where i anchor
eric i have a q or two for you
why would i have to have realy long arms,just cause i like long arrows
alot of tribal people to this day still shoot,what we would consider ,excessivly long arrows
how do you know exactly how people drew their bows or anchor point were in primiitve times,and i aint talking about midevil london here
i mean primitive times like paleo times and before.
persoanlly i dont give rats backside what the elb society does
sure i make elbs,but i dont gt caught up in all that bs that they do
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JW—Please don’t pretend to be insulted. The people in Papua-New Guinea {and the Amazon ] are primitive archers and of course their archery belongs on a Primitive Archery forum. Victorian archers have their own forum. Nothing wrong with that, but Victorian archery is not primitive archery.
Sailordad—Answer to your Q or two.
Q--why would i have to have realy long arms,just cause i like long arrows
alot of tribal people to this day still shoot,what we would consider ,excessivly long arrows
A--You would have to have really long arms to get a 30” arrow measuring from your mouth to the web of your bow hand as you said you did.
Q--how do you know exactly how people drew their bows or anchor point were in primiitve times,and i aint talking about midevil london here
i mean primitive times like paleo times and before.
A-- I don’t know the anchor points in all primitive or paleo times. I do know that the corner-of the-mouth anchor point belongs to Victorian times and later, not primitive times.
I don’t give a rat’s backside how you draw or even if you prefer an AK47, but that doesn’t mean it belongs in a primitive archery forum.
Erik
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"You would have to have really long arms to get a 30” arrow measuring from your mouth to the web of your bow hand as you said you did."
Arrow length doesn't need to have anything to do with draw length. I draw 28" to the corner of my mouth but have some 31" arrows. It's a very easy way to decrease spine of an arrow. Tim said he used 30" arrows, he DIDN'T say he had a 30" draw....
You really are a disagreeable person there Eric. I'm not sure I understand the motivation behind your presence here. It seems you have an obsession with being historically accurate. That's valid IF someone is representing their equipment as such but as I pointed out earlier VERY FEW here do. We just make wood bows and enjoy shooting wooden bows. The majority doesn't care how you draw, if you used power tools or epoxy glues. Your elitist exclusionary attitude is not what "Primitve Archer" is about. Not sure if you've ever read a PA magazine but it's obivous if ya read one that corner of the mouth draw is more than acceptable here at PA.
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ntd, your correct i never daid my draw was 30",only that i liked my arrows that long
my prefered draw for trad/primitive bows is 26"
which isnt even the corner of my mouth
that right where my thumb starts to touch my lip
it makes for a nice release point for every time
there for i only draw 26",i could get 28.5" if i drew to the corner of my mouth
but i hate the feeling of the sting on my face,and it affects my accuracy
eric,youve admitted that you dont know what draw length and anchor point was in paleo/primitive times
so how do tou know it wasnt thwe corner of the mouth?
it very well coud have been and then was lost over time and cam back again
i dont claim to know much,but one thing i do know is that history will historicaly repeat itself
now i think i am going to make and elb with a stiff handle,an arrow shelf and and elliptacle tiller
hows that for accurate ;)
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If you guys would just ignore him, he would have no one to argue with. None of his comments have anything to do with this topic anyway. We all know that shooting a pointy stick with a string and another piece of wood is pretty primitive, regardless of how you do it... let's all just relax a bit ::)
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I apologize if I have offended you, Erik. I was not "pretending" to be insulted, I was using hyperbole to highlight the humorous way you set yourself up to be the final arbiter on what belongs and does not belong on this website.
If you feel your opinion on the matter is the position the Forum must take on the issue, I encourage you to contact each of the Global Moderators and have them publish those standards. Until such time, please do not assume to speak for the general body of members.
Meanwhile, if anyone wants to use hyperbole, sarcasm, irony, satire, or even ribaldry to deflate me, feel free to do so. I love a good laugh on myself.
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So, I shoot an ELB. At distances under 100 yards (approximately) I pull to the corner of the mouth and aim, for longer distances (clout) or for pure distance I pull 32", which is way past my ear.
Now, I'm guessing that drawing two different styles is not the best for consistency but what do most folks do ?
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Dang somebody, kicked the ants nest! How about just taking a broom handle, or any other stick, and an arrow, or dowel, or yard stick, and have him pull it to "HIS" anchor point, and measure it? That is what I did. I still like the longer arrows, but my draw length to the earlobe is only 28 inches, but that is due to my stance. Eddie draws way past that, and his stance is different than mine. ;) Of course he wears a plaid skirt, and shoots a pink bow too. ;D ;D ;D
Wayne
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im simply amazed that someone is making bows for people and doesnt know how to measure draw length. any respectable archery pro shop or fancy schmancy bowyer measures from the corner of the mouth to the back of the bow. typically archers who have adopted a more "primative" style lean there heads in, shortening their draw. still drawing near to the corner of the mouth. of course you can draw to your left ventricle if you want to. but drawing past your mouth is a good way to get backlash on your face. and then no one will ask you to prom.