Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Flintknapping => Topic started by: Outbackbob48 on October 20, 2010, 07:39:38 pm
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I took this piece of kekouk down to preform an have since taken it down to a 6to1 ratio. Its 2x5 by 5/16 an a lot of front to back healed fractures or some type of inclusions, should i chance it an thin a little more or play safe an notch it. Any suggestions on point style would be appreciated. On my last set of percussion thinning some of my flakes stopped at healed crack, need to come from oppisite edge an try an go past healed crack, Most flakes ran by but I think I also was getting a slight case of yellow wrist an wimp hitting it :( Anyways pretty thin for this ole guy. Bob
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I ain't saying nothing. ::) I just broke a 7 incher trying to get one more thinning flake, and it broke on a curved crack. >:(
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looks good to me like it is.
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don't hit it any more..
Use your ishi stick to thin it more. Thin it from the base with some hard pushed presser flacks with your ishi. The will aid in notching.
Looks like it would make a good lost lake. and if your notches stall your have a big Keokuk Hernando ;)
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Go for a HELLGAP Bob...LOL Thats hellofagap...try a Stillwell or an Allen,,,,or maybe a Cordilleran... If u can find it I never seen anyone make a Priest Rapids....that should keep u busy!!! Hi BOB!!!
Ps all real points some may not be feasable..LOL
Seriously Bob a PICKWICK do that one... call me for the details!
Russ
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Hardin!
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HIT IT! The only way to get to the 8-1, 10-1, 12-1 is to hit the 6-1. I have given buckets of spalls, flakes and dammits to several people who post here regularly. They can tell you that there are lots of broken preforms in there that were pretty thin. It is the only way to learn if you want to get better. You don't have to do it often, but you have to do it or you will stall where you are. That's my opinion, I may be out in left field with a hockey puck trying to score a field goal in overtime. Bill
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Well said Bill forget it Bob sit it on a stump and blast it with a shotgun...thatll teach them.... I know Bob will make something good out of it Im sure he just wants to get some response to opinions on possibilities. Bob u been looking at that book anymore??? I look at mine everynight before bed...Love that thing... TTYL
Russ
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He has alrdy taken it to a refind preform.
The stage 3 biface in the 1st photo is when the primary thinning should take place. I think if he was to try and hit it some more at this stage it would most likely brake. Or in the effort to get it thinner he would loose his width.
I have made some 12-1 turkey tail and when making those ya got to thin the fast from the get go, once the refind preform stage is reached its time to straiten your edges and notch.
What Bill said is 100% true if you don't try your never do it. I to have broke countless preforms and I'm sure I'll brake many more.
But in the case of the point at hand i think its to late to thin it any more with a billit with out the loss of allot of width.
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I think if you try to hit and thin it more now, you will just get your flake to dive into the center and stall. I have a stack of preforms like that. I'd just finish it.
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I'm thinking I would notch that one too Bob and as already said try thinning a little earlier in the game on the next peice. Or you can go for the hail marry and see what happens - it's your rock ;D.
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Well, I decided to try an run longer flakes with ishi ,clean it up an notch. Flakes didn,t travel as far as liked an overall did not come out as well as I was hoping for. Base still to thick an to many flaws to get long clean look. Now for the good things , notches stalled so I punch noched an got some scary results, huge c flakes that did get my notches to move, learned a lot an I think I need to get cleaner thinner preforms earlier in the game. Thanks for everyones input. Very much appreciated. Bob
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looks good to me nice job.
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That turned out purty allright Bob! That punch notching - I like ;).
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very nice
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I'm one of the lucky ones to get some of Bill's rock. Some of the stuff he threw in the bucket was better than my best work, but just culls to him. No guts no glory!
Bob, you managed to make it look good just the same.
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Jesse has a very good point about working from the start for the super this stuff. On Bob's last picture up top, he had a hump and his edge had the correct bevel. I would have ground, possibly made an isolated platform and smacked the snot out of it. I then probably would have put both chunks in a bucket and made some smaller points at a later date. That would be after doing the "Knappers' Dance" while saying the "Sacred Words". Bill
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;D ;D ;D ;D
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Dang Bill you do that too? I thought I was the only one who knew the sacred words, and dance! :o ;D It was something that just sort of came to me, after the second almost knife blade became three almost arrowheads! ::) Sort of spiritual actually. Some of it was in unknown tongues, I think. Sometimes I would finish the dance, and put the piece on the anvil of the vice, I uh,...mean the sacred altar, and take the sacred hammer, and scatter the stone to the four winds. Then I would sweep up, go have a beer, and come back out later, try to just make an arrowhead. It is kind of calming that dance, and sacred words...... ;D Nice job Bob, I wish I could get to that stage, to wonder if I should pressure flake, or whack the snot out of it. Right now, I just get to the point where I wonder if I should place it on the sacred altar....... ::)
Wayne
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Wayne, been to the sacred place a few times myself, I wasnt real happy with this point so the day after pictures were taken I decides to alter, Yep it broke so it was a short lived point. Later Bob
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Sorry to hear about the point Bob. :( Yeah, I have had a few times when I should have left well enough alone, till my skills got better. ;) But it was nice while it lasted. It is like the stone is teasing you and daring you to just try leave, without trying just a little improvement here, or there......then it is like you can hear it laughing, as you hold two or three pieces of it in your hand. I made a nice little calf creek, about an inch long, and had put in an altoids, can, with some others that I decided that I would use as hunting points, when I opened the tin to put in another point, it jumped out and hit the concrete floor, and broke off one of the ears.. :'(
Well it sure looked like it jumped out. You do nice work. Like I said I wish I could get to that stage. I even do the ritual blood letting, and I still can't get to that stage. I wonder if I am doing too much blood letting. Maybe it should not be just my blood..... ;D
Anyway, I get one now and then, but no knife blades. I keep breaking them. All I have been working with is Obsidian. Well, go get another chunk, and go at it again, and post the pictures. ;)
Wayne
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just ask Abby about my sacred place lol.
Good job Bill , its all about learning and takeing what you lern from one point and doing it on the next.