Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: ken75 on November 16, 2010, 10:29:33 pm
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heres one i just finished yesterday , been layin round waiting on me to get the time. this bow is inspired some by a flight bow picture in the BB and the rest im blamin on Rich R. it fits very similar with the infantry bows he has built lately . this ones 59 inch nock to nock 15 inch working limbs , 6 inch nonbending handle and fades . working limbs start at 1 7/8th inch and taper to 1 inch at the levers . levers are 1/2 inch for their length. got a little paint and body work going on and an antler rest. 61 lbs at 28 inches and this thing really flings them . should get some distance measurements soon since i dont have a chrono
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Sweet Jesus Man !!!!! That bow just flat looks fast, did ya reflex the levers any? Very sexy brace and draw profiles. really like the flat unbraced profile too!!!!
rich
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I love everything about it. :)
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nah Rich i didnt do any reflexing on this one didnt have room after it finished with the weight that high. i wanted 55 lbs or more and got it without any noticable set. you knew i was gonna blame this one on you ! thanks Rich
thanks simple hunter
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here jeff you forgot this one
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Cool Bow Ken. Looking forward to hearing the cast report. I've got to try a molle one of these days. I suspect in my dry climate a hickory Molle would be quick but on the edge of death >:D
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That is a nice looking bow. ' Frank
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Very nice bow, Ken. The color combo makes a pretty good camo effect. These bows are stiring my imagination lately. I've built Holmie type bows but not a Molle. It is almost like an Asiatic bow laid flat.
Nate, hickory would be an excellent choice for your dry climate.
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that paint job has me going crazy! I love it. truly a beauty. what type of paint did you use?
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Now I can stop worrying. Ken posted Finallly so he must be o.k.
Love the colors.
Jeff
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I like the tree stump it's resting on.
Del.
(Oh yeah that's a sleek looking bow too ;D )
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Nice looking bow,tiller looks great and the color combo in very cool. :)
Pappy
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Nice bow and cool dye job!
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Very nice..Is it quater sawn?
Thanks Leroy
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Very nice!
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Oh that's nice. Excellent tiller! Jawge
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thanks all bow is 1/4 sawn and paint is dollar store stuff . thanks everyone
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Cool design! Pyramid/Molle I guess. Nice!
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I like ur colors looks good!
AA
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thanks tbod and AA
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Yeah, I was thinking camo, too. Cool.
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very cool! i'm stealing those colors ;D
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thanks max , and sulphur
flight shooting results for today . stats are 90 grn string , 460 grn arrows with MA 2 broadheads 5 inch parabolic fletch
average of four shots was 183 yrds.
dont know if this is good or not but i was happy seeing them soar away .
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Well Ken, had to take my shoes off for this one but I rekun if ya shoot a deer at 20 yards then it's gonna hit with enough power to go another 163 yards.......got to believe that will put the hurts to 'em.
Seriously, for that weight and fletch that long and high , got to believe thats a fine shootin bow, with plenty of power.
rich
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Fine looking piece of Hickory, you got finished there.
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thans lombard, i was hoping to get some flight educated folks to tell me if they thought this was average or better with broadheads
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I don't know about average flight distance, but sure is a nice looking bow. I have always liked holmies, but now I have to ask what is a mollie? Again, cool lookinb bow. How is it for hand shock? Kenneth
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Hey Ken,
Looked up the world records for Primitive self bow broadhead flights. For a 50# Prim Self it's 211 yds/ 1 foot/ 2 inches and that record was set in 2007.....for 50# Primitive Simple Composite it's 227 yds/ 2 feet/ 11 inches......these are for broadhead flights. Dont think your self bow is doin too bad at all, sir.
rich
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For the flight shoots, there is a minimum arrow mass of 500 grains in the primitive divisions. These records are being set near the Bonneville Salt Flats which is just under a mile above sea level. I think that the air is about 20% thinner than at sea level, so this makes a difference with high-drag broad head classes. That doesn't mean the arrows go 20% farther but it does make a difference. The broadhead event is also different than regular flight classes because a longer draw can be an advantage. Finally, the records are set with all-natural string materials, but I don't see this as much of a disadvantage anymore as we keep learning more about the potential of natural fiber strings. In fact, a good properly made linen string will blow away a B50 string for performance. Finally, there is a little luck that can play a role in the records set. It is great if you have a light and steady tail wind, but it can be a mess if the winds are constantly shifting and turbulent.
Here are a few primitive class results from the 2010 Broadhead Flight Nationals held this past August:
Unlimited Complex Composite (Horn bow in this case) - 237 yards, 1 ft by Bede Dwyer for a new World Record in this class.
50-lb Complex Composite - 205 yards 2 ft by Jaap Koppledrayer
Jaap kindly let me shoot his horn bow in this same class in another round and I managed a distance of 204 yards.
Unlimited Simple Composite (2-lam or backed bows) - 220 yards (an old Marc St. Louis Bow) shot by James Sanchez that may have had a draw weight in the upper 50's with the length arrows he shot.
This was the first time I tried the broadhead class and it is a lot of fun. The arrows are moving relatively slow and it is fun to watch them sail across the sky. I'd recommend it if you get the chance! A little work on the arrows and you might find yourself in the record books with a design like you posted here.
-Alan
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4091/4947350228_89092b8b04.jpg)
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Great looking bow, Ken. That sucker looks fast.
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Have mercy! :o
Ken, that is some kinda sweet! The colors are perfect camo...The black will throw everything off in the 4 hoof world. I guarantee that sucker is fast! I don't need a radar gun to tell if a car is speeding. And with that #age...Just wait till you can line two of them little hoofer's up at a time... pull it to 29"...You got grub for 2 seasons! (oh..uh...might be illegal ;D). Definitely one to be proud of.
@NTD, Hick works great here in Arizona, Just let it get used to the climate here. As you know wood is in a whole different universe in the south west.
@Rich, You have drawn more people to the molle than honey draws bears.
Anyway Ken, Thanks For Sharing such a fine weapon!
God bless
Ron
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little john the difference" to me" between the molle and holmie would be from what ive read the holmie is tillered back and belly with stiff outer limbs ,leaving the handle and stiff tips protruding from the back .other than that maybe a longer working limb ratio.
Rich thanks for the info ,not much time to search while on nights. im beginning to think it did pretty good with cast.
Alan thats some great info, thanks , i didnt see a selfbow category in your list .this ones a board but still one piece of wood.arrows i used were regular hunting arrows .is there a limit or standard to fletch ,weight , length in the broadhead class? this is very fun and addictive by the way
thanks Eddie ! its quick alright , but i guess in my mind for hunting bows if i measure cast with hunting arrows like we talked about on your bow i will get a better idea of lethality than if i were shooting flight arrows or just testing speed.
thanks Ron i intend to use this one soon maybe it'll be good medicine! as far as the molle design in general it has the high points for speed and efficiency. light stiff tips, mid working limbs, open string angle with no stack even in a short bow. i
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Ken, I have never heard of the molle design til this post. Also I have never heard of the holmie being tillerd from both back and belly. I have done several bows that I considered to be holmies but always with backs following one groth ring 64-66 inche osage that sent hunting arrows 210 yards with a 68-70# draw @ 29+inches.I always keep the outer limbs ultra light as possible and non bending, it is such a good design I will probably never build other designs. I do plan to make one with a raised handle section from a small diameter pole stave. Again a great bow and great design you got there, I really like it a lot, enjoy. Kenneth
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Ken,
There is a primitive self bow category in flight shooting but I didn't recall any being shot in the broadhead classes this year. This was a real down year for the primitive classes. Modern composites dominated. At my first flight shoot in 2004, the primitive classes pretty much stole the show. It appears that 2011 will be a good year for primitive once again and it's about time!
-Alan
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Hey Ken,
Looked up the equipment rules for Primitive flight shooting in the USA. Sent ya a email....but going to post it here in case anybody else is interested. Hope it dont take up too much space.
rich
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Since it dont print out the whole document , heres two more sets. One is for recurves and one is for longbows.
rich
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little john im baseing my info on the tbb. from memory i could be wrong . try the molle its a great design
thanks alan for the info
rich thanks for the info also now if i can figure out how to open them lol !