Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Elktracker on December 19, 2010, 09:20:55 pm
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I have used both of these and love them both, they work great! But at this time I only have money to buy one or the other. Which one has been more usefull to you. the bowyers edge or bowyers rasp? Both by Dean Torges Or if u know of a more affordable tool that works as well please do share. Right now I strictly use a farriers rasp and pocket knife and want something that works more efficiently. thank you for any input ;D
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For me, nothing works more efficiently than a farriers rasp. Lots of tools more expensive, not sure they work better though. ;)
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I have the bowyers edge and very rarely use it. I have heard that Dean's rasp is a very good one but I have never seen one or used one. I do prefer a Nicholson #49 rasp for bow building. Like Justin said a farriers rasp is quite handy also.
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cummon guys 42 views and only 2 replys? weigh in here lol
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I'd go with the rasp.
I have used one exclusively now since it's inception and have found no equal to it.
I also use the edge a good bit but mainly just on the belly. The rasp can be used for many things in the bow building process.
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I have a Bowyers E. that i use a lot. It's worth every penny i paid for it. I don't own one of his rasps. Instead, i have farriers rasp i bought from the Amish. I really believe that a good sharp rasp is more useful when making a bow than the BE tool.
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I primarily use a nicholson wood rasp, not the expensive #49 or 50. I think I buy them for less than $10 each. They work great.
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I have used the Boyer's edge and it fine but didn't seem much better that the ones I use from old band saw blades,guess it's what you get use to.I have never used his rasp,I use a 49/50
Nicholson's and a farrier rasp most of the time,love the farriers rasp and when you get use to using it you can take off a lot or a little and leave the wood pretty smooth. :)
Pappy
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I have a bowyers edge, works OK on clear wood but used on anything with pins and grain swirls it is going to chatter and dig in. I am sure it is my lack of sharpening ability that causes my problem with it. I have sharpened it every way imaginable and set the blade depth dozens of different ways and it still chatters.
I use a #49 rasp the most.
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I found the Bowyers Edge worked well on clear yew and ERC but I had the same results as Eric on other woods.
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I checked with Dean about 6 months ago and he was not making the Bowyers edge at that time. Was considering some for the future.
Ron
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I have his rasp and its great,... have only used it once though,.. but its really nice to work with a little smaller than a regular farrier's rasp, which makes it a "little" more versitile due to its size.
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I never used his tools...I guess I'm cheap. I use a farriors rasp and a nicholson 49. The Nicholson was given to me. I bought cheap rasp at the hardware store for 8 bucks and it works just as well as the Nicholson. I guess expensive itsn't always better. As soon as it becomes a speciality tool for building bows....the price goes up
Jon
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I love my farriers rasp,and band saw blade scrapers. Do reccomend a goose neck scraper,it has been a handy tool for me.
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I use my Bowyer's edge quite a bit early to mid tillering, but put it away for chasing final tiller. The nice thing about a Bowyer's Edge over an ordinary scraper is that is has a flat sole that tends to prevent gouging at knots and grain swirls. It may still chatter, but won't dig in. The blade MUST be sharpened and burnished very well for it to work properly, but it's a dream when tuned up. Because of the frequent sharpening needed, I tend to use my Mystik scraper more than the Bowyer's Edge. It sharpens faster and alot easier with just a broadhead file, but I have to be careful that I don't repeatedly gouge wood at the tough spots. Tradeoffs. I'd love to get my hands on his rasp, too. I also use #49 and #50 Nicholsons alot, alternating with a Bowyer's Edge or scraper. The rasp takes off wood and removes scraper nicks and gouges, and the Bowyer's Edge or scraper removes the rasp marks. The tools compliment each other. Since that particular rasp is supposed to leave a smooth surface, I'd opt for that over the Bowyer's Edge, site unseen.
I sometimes use a farriers rasp as well, but only for the roughest work, before the bow is even floor tillered. It creates such deep furrows, that I consider it useful for only the roughest of work. Even the "smooth" side leaves an abhorent surface. More often than not, I go straight from a drawknife or bandsaw to a long handled Surfeform rasp, which is still a "rough" tool, but not so much as a farriers rasp.
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I sometimes use a farriers rasp as well, but only for the roughest work, before the bow is even floor tillered. It creates such deep furrows, that I consider it useful for only the roughest of work. Even the "smooth" side leaves an abhorent surface. More often than not, I go straight from a drawknife or bandsaw to a long handled Surfeform rasp, which is still a "rough" tool, but not so much as a farriers rasp.
Just like any tool, you have to learn to use it. I have tillered bows with a farriers rasp then gone straight to sanding with 80 grit. I can make it pretty darn smooth with the course side of the rasp. ;)
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Farriers rasp and draw knife are the 2 main tools i use. Love my Farriers rasp !
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Farriers rasp and good scraper for me. Planner blades from a saw mill make the best scrapers hands down.
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I have Dean's Bowyer's Edge and his rasp and like them both. If I had to chose I would go with the rasp...it is a great tool and I use it on every bow I make. I am a big fan of Dean's...he got me started with his books and videos. The Bowyer's Edge is a challenging tool for me...trying to set it up just right is a pain and in the end I use the cabinet scraper more than the Edge. He used to recommend the Nicholsen files and he designed the rasp to address shortcomings of the #49 and #50. I have both of them and use all three when making bows. I have a Farrier's rasp...its rusty...Overall, I would choose the rasp he makes as my one tool if I had to choose.
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I have a lot of scrapers and rasps from my woodworking/carving days and use them now for bowmaking. For me, a farriers rasp works great for really gettin' the stave roughed out. The #49 is a cabinet makers rasp and a sharp one can't be beat for working on a bow. I use the scrapers as well but the scraper that I tend to use the most is just a knife that I made out of an old power hacksaw blade...
JMHO
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I have the Bowyers Edge and use it very little any more. It works real good on soft wood but I can't keep mine sharp any more. I can't get an edge on it like it was when it was new. Go with the rasp. Dean
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dont own a nichlosen file or a bowyers edge i use a farriers rasp and a mystic scraper a few cheaper scrapers and some flea mkt files i get buy fine
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All I use is a farriers rasp and homemade scrapers of various shapes sizes and materials. You don't have to spend lots of money on hand tools for this hobby. I agree with Justin. I can make wood very smooth with a farriers rasp. You just have to learn how to use it correctly.
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I think Dean's rasp is probably great for advanced bowyers where substantial amounts of wood can be expertly removed. Only seen a picture of his tool but it appears to me to be somewhat more aggressive than the farrier's rasp. But even a farrier's rasp is going to be intimidating to a beginner. But like some of the other have stated, you can get your work rather smooth and gouge free with the rasp.
I made up a knockoff version of Dean's bowyers edge but never really liked the thing........Art
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IMO you'll get a bulk of your work done with the rasp. The Bowyer's Edge is a finesse tool. Yes, you have to keep the scraper sharp/burnished and adjusted, but once you've gotten good at doing that, it's a great tool. I use it to chase rings or remove tool marks and bring the belly into tiller as it gets closer. I finish tillering with sand paper on a slab of wood.
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Try everything else but I always came back to a rasp and eye glass out of glasses for a scraper. Nothing better for getting down in the low spots of the back of the bow.These two things aways worked best for me.