Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: chep on February 12, 2011, 03:33:40 pm
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I purchased this board just this week. It has a knot all the way through it and the knot is fairly large in size. Now I have only made one other osage board bow which was hickory backed and it turned out great. It had a few pin knots in it but worked great. No concerns. However I have also built an Ipe bow which had a knot like this where the limb bending happens. That bow did not live long and I spent a lot of time working on it. This board looks bad to me and I believe it might break because this knot goes all the way through the wood and it happens to live right where some limb bending would happen. I want to see what some other opinions are on this board. I planned on backing it with some hickory.
Thanks
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Is the board osage? What are the dimensions of the board? Did you order it from a bow stave dealer or a lumber company?
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As the title of the message implies, this is an osage board which I have purchased. I mentioned that this knot is where limb bending would be happening in my bow plan. The question isn't where I got it from and what source it originated from. The question is, would you consider embarking on the build with this knot where the limb bending is supposed to occur? The knot is about 1/2 to 3/4 inch wide and goes all the way through the board. I have also indicated I planned to back this bow project with hickory. It doesn't matter to me what the dimensions are or who it came from as I am asking a very concise question. Sorry, not trying to sound rude. Just trying to get right to the point.
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A question about bow type is very germane to your question. It is hard for me to see in your pictures just how the knot runs. Is it front to back or side to side? If it is side to side, I would say send it back. If it is front to back, can the limb layout 'wiggle' around it? If so, keep it and build a bow.
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I was looking to create a longbow with some back set limbs. The knot runs front to back. It doesn't appear to me that I would be able to wiggle around the layout and avoid it.
I have thought about scrapping the original project which was a 64-66 inch longbow to create a shorter bow of about 58 inches. This would have me to cut the board off right at the knot and use that cut piece as a handle. Then I would probably donate the bow at an event for raffle or igive it away to someone.
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I would say to get a helpful answer you will need to show some better pics,!!!
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I disagree. I think the pictures supplied show just enough detail to get the point across , along with my explanation.
Oh well, I'll run on over and ask my bow building buddy. Thanks for those that had some good feedback I could use.
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You can't have that big knot in your limb. I think the question about dimensions was important cause it looks like your board is a 3 x 1. Actual measurement would then be 2 1/2 x 1. Your knot only goes halfway across...leaving you with a good 1 1/4 inches of width for a bow... good enough for an osage bow! Sooo... adjust your "layout"
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Your pictures are poor quality, the first is poorly lit and the second is too far away. Getting an attitude surely won't get you any advice. I have made an osage bow or two but can't give you any sound advice on the information you supplied.
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BTW, cutting it to 58" AND putting a handle on it might be getting a little carried away cause that doesn't leave you with much length for your limbs. PLUS if your draw length is 28" (which you didn't tell us) your draw would have some serious "stacking" unless you recurve the heck out of it. So yea, your info in your posts didn't give us much to go with. But maybe your BBB (Bow Building Buddy) can give you better advice ::)
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Sounds like you have made up your mind you can't get a 66" bow out of this. In that case I would recommend you send it back. Going into a project thinking it will fail is the best way to make it fail.
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I build a lot of board bows.. A picture never does justice to the need. However It is my opinion based on the photo you have given , back this stave with bamboo and you would probably be safe. If you have doubt, as it sounds like you do, can you return the product or is there even that option ? I have successfully built bows with knots ( osage) but run off knots, not like yours are a concern. I learned in early days of my building fellows built around the knot and sometimes cut them out and plugged them. That being selfbows ! But board bows are a lot more touchy, cause of the violation of grain, thus requries a pretty descent stave to work with. Good luck I hope this helped. Denny
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One reason we would ask where you got the board has a lot to do with how we would answer your post.
1) If purchased from a lumber dealer, I doubt they would take a return, nor would they understand that a knot in the board would be a problem. After all, THEY are not bow builders.
2) If purchased from a bow materials dealer, you got reamed/hosed/stuffed/bent/robbed/cheated/take-to-the-cleaners/what-have-you. They know better than to sell such questionable material and if it went out their door to you it was bad business. A reputable dealer would make it right.
If you come in here for advice, please don't get upset when we make an effort to get you GOOD advice. Simple answers are rarely as good as they sound.
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I am just loving this! My advice is make a skinny bow, osage likes it that way anyway.
and the pictures were terrible.
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Bad pics, bad attitude, minds made up, why bother asking? the friendly helpers are some of the best bowyers and you're rude ???
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I second that.
Can't see anything that I could have an opinion about, especially not on the second picture, except run offs at the upper board end that I would give a very close inspection.
I believe Pat was asking 'is this Osage for sure', which I would have asked, too. And yes, it matters where you got it.
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Since your mind is pretty much made up before ever posting, I believe you would fail at the attempt. Please package the board up and send it to me. I'll make a bow out of it. All these guys have lagit questions, that deserve answers to answer your question. Asking the advise of one versus all the knowladge you can aquire here makes since to me ::)
Here's a link to one that I built last year. It has a knot all the way through, and in a pertenat working area
http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,19283.msg267495.html#msg267495
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as the title states send it back if you have anyquestion on it because if you do not see the bow in it already you'll blow it even with a osage board. and hickory back but. if it is from most lumber yards that do not deal with bowyers or people that make alot of bows once it is out of the shop it is yours that is why we were asking that question but for you i'd say send it back
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Chep, first off, there are a lot of very knowledgable folks here on PA and all of them will do what they can to help you make successful bows. They don't get paid for this advise but they do ask for a little respect. If you already know the answers and already know that what we suggest is ridiculous then why bother to ask. Each question asked to you was for a reason and that is to give you the most appropriate answers to your question. If you don't have the COMMON courtesy to reply civilly then you need not bother to even ask any more questions or participate! I don't know where you learned your manners but maybe you would be better served going to "romper room.com" where there are more like minded folks with the same values that you seem to have.
This is going to be your first warning! If you can't find it in yourself to act civilly while on PA, please stay away or I, as a website administrator will help you out with this!!!
Remember you have been warned once. If you don't know what this means, READ THE RULES!!!
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i read this post when it was first posted
i knew what questions i was gonna ask
but i could already tell the attitude that was going to show thru so i kept quiet
and yes all these questions are important,but you already had the answer you were looking for,it was in the back of your mind before you even started to type
i may not be the most knowledable or best bowyer on the site
however i do know a thing or two aboot self bows and such things
but like others on here,i do require a level of respect if am going to help someone
you admit your new at this but yet you talk down to folks with knowledge
i'll bet your one of these folks from the "i want it now,and my way" generation
Pat,i used to enjoy Romper Room ;D
but i grew up
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Tim, we all did...on both accounts! ;)