Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Easternarcher on March 10, 2011, 06:06:36 pm
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Got a chance at a brand new deep fryer that has temp settings...lowest is 275deg. F.
Is that too hot for a double boiler setup for hide glue????
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from what I have read, 150 is the max. you want it warm not hot. but more knowledgable folks will here shortly I assume. I think alot of people get a crock pot from garage sales or goodwill. best o luck
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"from what I have read, 150 is the max. you want it warm not hot. but more knowledgable folks will here shortly I assume."
Edit: I deleted my original post as I cannot find supporting info right now...
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Yep, too hot. Here's the cheapest warmer (below). Got mine it at wally world.
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...or a $5 crock pot from GoodWill. ;D
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I think that would be way too hot. You should be able to keep your fingers in the glue without burning them. I did some sinewing this afternoon. I had my glue in a pan and had that in a pan of water on a double electric burner. I had the large pan of water centered between the burners and both of them set on low. It worked great. This was the best set up I have used so far. The glue stayed the perfect temp the entire time. No curly sinew today ;D
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r55/clintanders/SDC11390.jpg)
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I have a question regarding glue as well, do yall take your chunks out that wont disolve? With sinew glue there is always chunks that just wont disolve, so I usually throw them in a blender and whip them to a liquid, adding them back in with the glue to cook for a while to get everything out of what I got.
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I use knox gellatin.
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OK then....I've always got my eye open for a cheap crock pot or old hot plate...they seem hard to find tho.
I'll check out the wax warmers or maybe one of those desktop coffee cup warmers???
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Osage outlaw's set-up is about the best there is in my opinion. Once you get used to the right temp for the glue you will just know by feel whether you are in the range or not. If you even remotely suspect the temp is too high just drop in a short scrap of teased out sinew and watch to see if it relaxes or if it shrivels up. Shrinkage from too much heat is just as bad as shrinkage from swimming in a cold lake. Actually, it's worse because hi temp shrinkage cannot be undone.
>:D
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i also use a desktop coffee mug warmer like jackcrafty. good for pitch too!
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Just a thought if you're into saving a few bucks...most 2nd hand / re-use stores like Salvation Army, Ditto's, etc will have those used hot plates, coffee warmers and old crockpots for just a couple bucks. Most folks only shop these stores for clothing and the older, 3rd/4th hand electronics rarely get scooped up (it can also be a good place to find old rasps and drawknives too)
Good luck~
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My set up is a hotplate(single burner) with a double boiler. It's basically a pan inside a pan. Pretty much the same as Easternarchers setup. I find it easy to regulate the temp.
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Found a small crockpot works well. Fill ceramic part with water then put a dish with hide glue into the water. That way you can use the missus' crockpot and with a little clean up she won't even notice when you put it back. Don't put glue in ceramic pot-you won't get away with that! You'll be lucky to get away with your life!
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I used an old coffee pot heater and a small bowl before I got the double burner hot plate. Since I learned how to cut the sinew much longer, I had to switch to the pans so the pieces would fit.
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How do you cut the sinew longer?
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I use a coffee cup warmer look like what craftys got.
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I bought a little deepfat fryer with a temerature control knob. The numbering started at 150 or so but the control worked ok well below that and I spot calibrated using a digital thermometer to 70 degrees C and it worked a treat. I put water in it and put the hide glue in a glass jar in the water.
I think there's a pic in my Bowyers Diary here's the link http://bowyersdiary.blogspot.com/2010/04/glueing-up-ashcherry-bow.html (http://bowyersdiary.blogspot.com/2010/04/glueing-up-ashcherry-bow.html)
If you click on the pic it should go big so you can see how I marked it at 70.
Del
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How do you cut the sinew longer?
On the back legs of a deer, you can go above the knee and find where it splits into 3 bundles. One goes over the front of the knee. Cut it there. The other two go kind of along the side of the joint and into the upper leg where the tendons join the muscle groups. Cut them just before they turn into muscle. Grab the tendon inbetween the hoof and the knee, pull really hard, and it should slide out. You might have to scrape some meat off when you get them out. On bigger deer, you will end up with pieces 15" or longer when dried. This fall, I can do a picture how-to if anyone wants to see how it is done. Here is a picture of what you end up with. Sadly, I have traded all of these away.
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r55/clintanders/SDC11325.jpg)
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Very nice to know osage.
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That's great outlaw. A how to would be interesting to me and I'm sure many others.
thanks
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I agree, a How-To in early September would be great. I have an old friend I used to work with who has opened up his own Butcher Shop and process a ton of deer each year. I'm sure he'd let me have as much sinew as I cared to harvest.
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No problem. Our season doesn't open until Oct. 1st, so I won't be able to do it until then.
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Sorry, was thinking of our Small Game season date... :-[ Oct :-[ 1 up here too. Thanks a ton!
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I use a baby bottle warmer. It has a temperature control and works excellent. It was well worth the $3 paid at a garage sale.
Alan
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I use a baby bottle warmer. It has a temperature control and works excellent. It was well worth the $3 paid at a garage sale.
Alan
Great idea Alan!