Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Arrows => Topic started by: Kegan on May 28, 2007, 01:45:48 pm
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Here are the arrows for my little Stalker bow. Golden rod shaft, cut to 28", with thread reinforced selfnocks and Seminole one-fletch. The trade points are from scrap steel my father had and are hafted with some pine pitch.
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Nice arra's, goldenrod eh, ya meet the weed that makes us sneeze from the pollen?
Dana
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Cool arrows Kegan. You are quite talented ;D. I have cut a few goldenrod shoots as well as dog fennel and horse weed for arrows but I've not made an arrow from any of them yet.
Dana, actually, it's not goldenrod that makes you sneeze but probably ragweed. The goldenrod blooms at the same time and is more obvious so everyone thinks it's the goldenrods fault. ::)
Pat
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Wow Kegan! Those arrows look to be plucked from the past!!! They are a great accompaniment for your fine bow!
Great show of talent! You got the skills.... ;) ;D
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Kegan are those some of the stuff I sent you? They look purty mean fer sure!
Make sure you seal 'em with some fat or wax or something they will dry out too much if you don't.
Describe the fletching method for me. Split the shaft and insert the feather?
Chris
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very well done, kegan. they got the look. ;D
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Kegan are those some of the stuff I sent you? They look purty mean fer sure!
Make sure you seal 'em with some fat or wax or something they will dry out too much if you don't.
Describe the fletching method for me. Split the shaft and insert the feather?
Chris
Yup- those are the ones you sent me :). I'll make sure to seal them- got a few more made up last night.
As for the fletchings- you trin off any quill not holding on the "hairs" and smash the rest of the quill as flat as possible. Split the shaft and tuck the feather in. Tie it all up and cut the nock perpendicular to the split- works like a charm outta a heavy arrow or lighter bow out to 20 yards. Easy to make too ;D!
Thanks everyone!
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Cool arrows, how do they shoot, the only seminole one fletch I have made shot poorly and I have yet to figure out why. Kenneth
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Cool arrows, how do they shoot, the only seminole one fletch I have made shot poorly and I have yet to figure out why. Kenneth
The method i tricky to get to work outta all bows and on all arrows. The arow need be heavier than you normally would use for that bow. They don't spin the shaft, simply guide it like a dart. Try making them longer and heavier- worked for me several times.
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Wing feathers spin the shaft.bob
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Wing feathers spin the shaft.bob
What do you mean ???? For the seminole method, the feather as two opposite cups and simply stabalizes, as the two curves fight for the direction of the spin. If you used two feathers split in half it would spin, but not so much in this case :P
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I take it you know a lot about the "seminole method" as you call it and you have made many of these arrows. Interesting advice you are givin out.
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Uh,oh.. :(
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Uh,oh.. :(
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So Bob, is he wise beyond his years or wet behind the ears? :o
Kegan I believe Kowechobe IS the style of fletching yer talking about if I'm not mistaken. Now bein' of native american blood doesn't make you an archery expert but I believe Bob's been hunting with indian style longbows and primitive fletched arrows for some time now.
You might want to qualify things you think are statements of fact as observations you've made instead of hard and fast truths. Not trying to erode your confidence or anything its just that on this board there is a whole lot of experience on a whole lot of facets of primitive archery. I've been straightened out by a 14 year old boy before!
But hey they are cool arrows whether they spin or not. I'd be hard pressed to tell if they were spinning in flight anyway, and I'm darn sure the deer won't tell the difference. You're doin fine work. Chris
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Kegan, Chris is right. Bob is Seminole, and has been hunting with arrows fletched like this for more years than you and I have been alive. And that is our ages put together. He learned from his grandfather who has built more arrows than you have seen. If he says the wing feathers will spin them, you can count on it. I don't expect you to just take his word for it, but go try it and find out before you argue. If you look real close at a primary, you will discover that it is cupped on the edge that was the trailing edge on the bird. This helps create lift, much like an airplane with its flaps down. The leading edge is not cupped like the trailing edge. Your arrows are looking good. Keep making arrows and they will get better. Bob has probably forgotten more than I will ever know. I will be the first to admit I know very little. But by listening and reading what guys with years of knowledge say, I might learn something one day. Justin
Here is a link to the original post were Bob posted the one fletch arrows per my request. http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,2180.0.html
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:-[ I didn't mean to say that I knew more- i didn't even come up with it :o! There was an article in a National Geographic magazine or something about four or five years ago that had an article about a modern day Native American hunter. I beleive it said something about his arrows, and he explained vaguely how the split feather method worked, and compared it to what I refer to as the "Seminole" fletch. It made sense after thinking about it, at least to me, from, how my arrows shot.
Didn't mean to offend any body on here- that is the LAST thing I meant to do. I was just confused ;). Guess you can't trust what you read , eh?
Sorry Bob, never meant to offend you :). I never meant to explain it as "fact"- only how I thought to explain it.
Sorry again ;D!
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Kegan,I wouldn't sweat it.Like Justin and Chris pointed out when they alluded to Bob's advanced age.You know being the elderly type,To quote Justin"Bob has probally forgotten more then I will ever know" Heck he probally won't even remember this tomorrow. ;D
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I had no idea- I neevr meantot be a smart alleck. I respect and admire everyone on this sight- that is never my intention :)
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Where is Bob when we need some Grandfatherly advice. ;)
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Kegan, don't worry about it. We meant nothing personal by it. My dear old dad used to tell me I was given two ears and one mouth for a reason. Now if I could just get someone to tell me what the reason was. ??? The other thing you will learn as you get a little older is to let it roll right off. Life is to short to get to worried about it. Now go make some more arrows, and let us see. Justin
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Yep,Watch Justin let it roll off when Bob see's how he was calling him old,heh,heh. ::)
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Yeah,He is kinda in denial about that,aint he. ::)
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Traxx,Oh yea.I just got off the phone with him.Yes Grandfather,no Grandfather..snicker.. ;)
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Kegan-Naw no worries. Was never offended. Was just concerned that it was incorrect info being passed out. Ahem, now you Eddie Parker; "elderly type", " probably wont remember today","grandfatherly advice","bob's advanced age". "yes Grandfather, no Grandfather-snicker".You are a granpa also and your not that far behind me. :o Like we laughed about last weekend I OWE you one fer you know what . This makes THREE dude ! Payback is a bi#@# and its COMIN ! Just want ya to think about it fer a while. Heh-heh -heh ! AND you "buckaroo" in denial huh ! Didn't know you could spell denial 'cause its not on a horse :o Payback # 4. Oh boy its comin' -Think about it y'all. Kegan, back to ya. Keep makin' bows and arrows y'all have a feel fer this and me thinks your'e stuff is gonna get better an better.BTW theres a trick to makin' putt-putt wing feathers spin and I aint gonna tell ya. Keep makin' 'em you will find out fer yourself. Ok, gotta lay down and take a nap now ! HA-HA-HA-HA ;D ;D ;D. Oh and "Chucklehead 2 " "NON" aint forgot about y'all either "bob"s probably forgot more than I know", woulnd't have to ferget much ! payback #5, isnt this great ? I LUVS IT !!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D.......bob"non"
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See Justin,I knew it! for a GLOBAL MODERATOR,you really stirred it up now. :-*
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HEHEHE!!!!!!! ;D
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Bob, I like your style. Sit back and wait for the moment! ;)...then go for the juggler! ;D ...and I was worried about you! ;) Pat
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This is better than a soap opera ;D We could call it "As The Arrow Spins"
Kegan don't worry about it is right, I've been putting my foot in my mouth fer years
just get some good mouthwash to kill the taste.
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Speaking of old people, I heard that the reason Eddie makes such nice arrowheads is because he was able to personally watch the Clovis people knapping back when he was a kid....................................His unique jeep hunting methods for pigs and armadillos are a holdover from the days when he chased buffalo on horseback with the Comanche and Arapaho..............and there's a portrait of somebody that suspiciously looks an awful lot like him painted on a cave wall is Lascoux, France....... ;D ;D ;D
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Bob, you are right there. But the truly scary part is I think I have forgotten more than I have ever learned. ??? Figure that one out.
Eddie, that is GREAT OMNIPOTENT GLOBAL MODERATOR to you. ;D BTW how did you manage to get me in trouble on this one? No I didn't say impotent. I had to fix that one before you guys turned it around on me. ;D Justin
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I like "Great Impotent Global Moderator" better ;D.........bob
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;D ;D ;D
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I like "Great Impotent Global Moderator" better ;D.........bob
Bob, I didn't think the elderly even joked about such things.
Dana, what do you think you are grinning at. Justin
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I like "Great Impotent Global Moderator" better Grin.........bob
;D ;D ;D good folks here!!! :)
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Go ahead "chuckle head 2" thats payback # 6........Heh-heh-heh ! ;D ;D ;D ;D..bob
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I'm afraid to come down to hunt pigs now. I don't want to be left in the swamp with the boogie man. ;D Chuckle head 2
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Leave ya in the swamp with the boogie man, cottonmouths, anaconda, piranaha, gators, camens, boas, gallon nippers, monitor lizards ! Heh-heh-heh, uh I mean naw ! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D...bob
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Cottonmouths, anaconda, piranha, gators, camens, boas, gallon nippers, and monitor lizards don't scare me Bob. You know what to expect from them, and they are all edible. It is people (boogie man) that you cant trust. ;D Justin
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Ok Bob, I gotta know, whats a gallon nipper?....I know im gonna regret askin :P.....Brian
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WHY!, just got home today ,and Boy Justin,You can dig a heck of a hole.I told you not to start this ,uh,didn't I? ???
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Ya eat "gallon nippers" Justin ! Damm ya must be desperate and hungry ! Remind me NEVER ta let ya cook! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D.............bob
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Bob, I said they were edible. I didn't say I would eat them on purpose. :P Heck, I would have to get awfull hungry to eat a jack rabbit. :P
Mullet, I didn't dig the hole. You dug it then buried it with twigs and leaves. I just happened to be the chump that fell into the hole. Nice to know you can catch something. ;D Justin
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;D ;D ;D :-*
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What's the draw weight for the bow you're using these arrows with?
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kegan those are nice arrows. sometime I might try to do that :)
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What's the draw weight for the bow you're using these arrows with?
That bow is 50#, but shot them fine outta a 60#. Amazing shafts outta a "weed".