Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Pat B on June 06, 2007, 12:00:00 pm
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Well, congratulations to all involved, physically and emotionally. The Community Bow Projects are almost done. Only a few more steps and we will have 2 complete archery sets. What are we gonna do with them. ??? We need suggestions. ;)
Our goal with the Community Bow Projects is to promote Primitive Archer Magazine and to help boost subscription sales. Lets put our heads together and see if we can come up with a good plan. :D Pat
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How about donating the goods to one of the hunting/conservation organizations such as the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation?
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I second Pat's congrats to all involved, ya all deserve a pat on the back. I want to see a photo spread of
both bows with all the accessories. I think its up to the guys that worked on them to decide what to do with them.
I'd hate to see em go cheap at an auction though. These babies are gonna be priceles!!!
I would love a chance to own either one, heck the string alone on the southern bow is worth several hundred $$$ ;D
Dana
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Yeah photo spread !!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Before you get out your cameras, who do I mail the Northern bow sock to? And the Southern sock will be finished tonight. I'll post pics of them both - have Pat's address, and want to mail them at the same time. Help!
Oh, got a few names and jobs for the two certificates, but need the rest of the rogue's gallery of names and tasks associated with the creation of the bows. If you guys don't think certificates are a good idea, just let me know.
Thanks, Dane
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I suggest we send both bows (+ accessories) to Pat.
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I suggest we send both bows (+ accessories) to Pat.
Oh great, now we'll have to pry a bow out of the clutch of each of Pats cold lifeless hands! ;D
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Dane,
I did tips and the finish for the Northern Bow. I also made a string for it.
Keenan Howard applied the beautiful skins. He also knapped the arrow points.
Ryan O'Sullivan is wrapping a handle on the bow.
Keith (aka Zane) sanded the bow - but I don't know Keith's last name.
Dano roughed out the bow from a stave.
Matt NewComb tillered the bow.
There are more contributors but I'll let them chime in...
Gordon
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If ya'll want to send everything to me, that's fine. ;D I swear I'll take care of them until we decide what we are gonna do with them. ;) TRUST ME! :o
I supplied the handle wrap and made the fabulous ::) string. I also supplied the hardwood arrow shoots and hafted the points Cowboy made. Justin put in spined self nocks with horn spines and fletched the arrows. Pat
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I didn't find this site until long after the bows were started, so if this suggestion is not in the spirit of things let me know and I'll delete it.
If the idea is to boost subscriptions, you could maybe give current subscribers a chance to "sell" new subscriptions and whoever gets the most wins one of the bows. People who subscribe as a result of this contest would have to indicate the name of the person who told them about the magazine and got them to subscribe.
When I was a kid I got a new 12 guage shotgun for doing something similar to this with Hunting&Fishing News magazines.
Just a thought.
Stan
PS If you do go this route I buy all of my PA's at the newsstand and could easily be convinced to subscribe ;)
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Stan, We are trying to come up with any suggestions and yours is definitely welcomed. We will have to see what PA's thinks about it. Thanks for your input.
It is my opinion that anyone that wants to make a suggestion, please do so. I think that the actual contributers to the combined Community Bow Project should ultimately decide what the outcome will be. Pat
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What about some sort of web-based raffle? For example, one ticket (for one bow or the other) for $10, which includes a free introductory issue of PA. Three or four tickets gets you a 1-year subscription. Set up a web page that will sell tickets via credit card and paypal and spread the link. You could advertise it in the other mags and forums to attract new PA subscribers. Donate the profit to some worthwhile conservation fund.
Just a thought. Of course, I don't know about the legal and tax implications.
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I did the antler tip overlays on the Southern bow.
Now, let me start the this by saying that I am not trying to sound condescending and the ideas that have been suggested are great ones, but I think we need to look less at how to move the bows as to where. What we need to figure out is what will get the most good press for the magazine. Larger organizations are good for this sort of thing, Conservation departments, Rocky Mtn Elk, NWTF etc.
What are some of the larger organizations that can help?
What about running the raffel ourselves (as mentioned earlier) but we could advertise it in one of the larger, more circulated hunting magazines. It might have a bit of a cost involved but would get the exposure that we need.
Ok, I said my peice, you all can beat me up now. ::)
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In addition to all that Gordon listed for the Northern bow it should be noted that Jamie made the incredible arrows and quiver for this set. I will try to post some pics soon.His art work and skill on these would make anyone drool and reach for there wallet.
Great work Jamie I'll try to get those pics up soon. Keenan
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TTT
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I also think it needs to bring outside attention to PA and more importantly, the great tradition of Primitive Archery. I think having it go to Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, Wild Turkey Federation or something of that nature would bring the most attention. I think someone from the community needs to attend the auction. As for selling cheap, I already told Pat I would put up my own money to set a reserve bid. Justin
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OK everyone. we need suggestions. ??? Not only from the folks physically involved but from anyone interested in making a suggestion. ;)
The ideas we have so far are good ones. Stan's suggestion of using the Community Bow Project as a prize for the person selling the most subscriptions, and Stickhead and Skeaterbait's suggestions of a raffle are both excellent ideas but I think the time involved would be too much for this particular Community Bow Project.(IMHO) We could start now by putting an ad in PA Magazine to promote next years CBP and have all year to advertise and hold the raffle or the subscription drive, so I don't want to discount these excellent ideas. ;) Pat
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I love the idea of a raffle. Who wouldn't want a chance to own one of those beauties.
But I think Pats right on the time issue. And I like his suggestion that next year a raffle PA does a raffle(if willing)
Tickets could be sold for months thru the magazine and also at various events such as Tennese Classic, MOJAM, Comptons etc.
I think the earnings potential of a raffle would be greater than a auction. If I might suggest the dollars could be used as a scholorship to be awarded
thru PA to college bound child of a subscriber. They would write an essay on Primitive Archery and submit it to PA for judging.. Another criteria could also be on what they have done to promote primitive archery. Just a thought, I realize it would be lots of work for the fine folks at PA but the benifits would also most likely be worth it.
Dana
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Dana, Another excellent idea! Obviously, the girls in the office could handle more work ::) and I'm sure they would volunteer their free ??? time also for such a worthwhile project. ::)
Seriously, I love the idea for a scholarship. I'll try to find out what PA slant on this would be. Pat
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I think all will agree that the ultimate goal is to promote primitive archery while at the same time gaining support and recognition for PA and all that the magazine has to offer. To realise that goal, we must in my opinion go outside of this forum to reach the largest number of the right kind of people. The interest of new people is what we're after...all of us here already are eatup with the sport/hobby/PA. :)
The amount of $ raised I feel is secondary, although none of us would want the bows/accessories to go for a small amount because we understand and appreciate what works of art each item have turned out to be.
I think the selection of the right highly publicised event to possibly auction off the two community bows with their supporting equipment is the key. Hopefully as a condition of the donation, PA will be able to specify such criteria of proper display and advertisement of these works of art prior to the event. Hopefully they can be displayed to allow viewing by a large audience, and detailing the fact that they were created with the involvement of PA forum enthusiasts from across the country. We're proud of the results and know the community bow projects turned out special, just got to get the masses outside our ranks to realise it as well. ;)
Hopefully whichever organization is chosen will select a good cause for the proceeds generated. :)
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I think all will agree that the ultimate goal is to promote primitive archery while at the same time gaining support and recognition for PA and all that the magazine has to offer. To realise that goal, we must in my opinion go outside of this forum to reach the largest number of the right kind of people. The interest of new people is what we're after...all of us here already are eatup with the sport/hobby/PA. :)
The amount of $ raised I feel is secondary, although none of us would want the bows/accessories to go for a small amount because we understand and appreciate what works of art each item have turned out to be.
I think the selection of the right highly publicised event to possibly auction off the two community bows with their supporting equipment is the key. Hopefully as a condition of the donation, PA will be able to specify such criteria of proper display and advertisement of these works of art prior to the event. Hopefully they can be displayed to allow viewing by a large audience, and detailing the fact that they were created with the involvement of PA forum enthusiasts from across the country. We're proud of the results and know the community bow projects turned out special, just got to get the masses outside our ranks to realise it as well. ;)
Hopefully whichever organization is chosen will select a good cause for the proceeds generated. :)
;D ;D ;D That is what Im talking about. We have two definitely different goals here. One is raising money, the other is more good exposure for primitive archery. I think we need a lot more people to speak up and give their oppinion. Then maybe when we can set up a poll to decide. Justin
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I dunno. Exposure for PA IMO is the main goal, but at the same time - don't want to give them away so's to speak :-\.
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TTT ;D Hello, anyone else out there with a comment or idea? ??? Pat
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I dunno. Exposure for PA IMO is the main goal, but at the same time - don't want to give them away so's to speak :-\.
I agree, it would be a shame to let it go for $100 after all the work that has been put into it. That is why I planned to send $500 to the auction with someone from the board. If we can get a bidding war going it will generate interest. ;) Worst case scenario it comes to live with me. ;D Justin
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personally its a piece of bent wood. its the time and the hands that it has passed through that meens something so a monetary value will always be too cheap. i think the only people who really appreiciate the work are the ones involved in this craft. what if we just gave them to p.a. and allowed them to put all the new subscribers into a hat for a drawing. that would help p.a. by bringing in the subscriptions thye want. that way to it'll be in their hands and we can just move on to the next set. peace
p.s. thanks for the kind words keenan
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Jamie, We are already in discussion with PA about next years Community Bow Projects with a subscription related "give-a-way". Because of the time it takes to set something like this up I thought it would be a good idea to start now for next years projects. PA has promised a complete set of back issues(except 2 sold out issues) to go to the winner(s) of this CBP. BUT! we have 2 beautiful bow and arrow sets(et al), possessing a lot of good medicine, that we have to deal with now, or in the near future. It is my opinion that one of these wildlife organizations would benefit from the usual "high bidders" at their conventions and PA would get a lot of good press. I am open to all suggestions. That is what this thread is about. I've been a bit possessive with CBP but that's because I know it has the potential to bring PA lots of good publicity. ;) ;D ;D ;D 8) Pat
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My understanding is the last community bow went for not much money? And is the money that important? I'd think the publicity is worth far more, as well as the messages and symbolism such bows bring.
Here are some stream of thought ideas, so if some seem odd or strange or dumb, forgive me.
Has anyone considered donating the bows to some sort of charity? I'm thinking of Make a Wish Foundation, not appropriate for these full sized hunting weight weapons, but something along those lines? Maybe even not just in this country, but abroad as well?
Also, what about focusing not only on hunters, but some other audience? I myself have never hunted in my life, but love archery, as well as other shooting sports.
What about museums dedicated to arts and crafts, and modern art? These sets are truly works of art, after all. MOMA in New York, Smithsonian in DC are two I can think of right now. Most cities have modern art museums.
Traveling road shows? To get exposure to the magazine and the weapons?
Art galleries?
Contact newspapers and magazines to get some articles written up about these projects? Someone do a full length article and get it circulating in various community newspapers and such. Press releases, as well.
3D associations and circuits. Lots of that in this area, though most shoot the Borg bows, it might convert some to primitive / traditional archery.
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Here in Michigan the high schools are reviving archery as a sport. So that could be another avenue.
Another idea would be next CBP perhaps Matius and AndrewS could spearhead a European bow project, Marc and and the other
Canucks could do a one. The war bow guys from across the big pond etc. Their is lots of potential here. Personally I don't see PA getting that much exposure
from Whitetail or Turkey federation. From what I've seen of these organizations I see mostly trophy hunters and high tech gadget laden hunting snobs.
Sorry if I offended anyone with that comment. I really believe the place to get em is schools when thier young. Perhaps Nugget could offer a perspective as he teaches bow building at a school.
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I meant StanM not Nugget
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No offence taken,But I have to agree all except maybe the snob part that them organizations
probably wouldn't appreshate it as much as some others.I differently agree get um young
and you will have most for life just don't know the best place to start.No matter what we do I hate to see them auctioned off and not bring much even tho the money is not the issue I would rather give them away than have the stolen at a auction.That dose no one any good.
Pappy
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Can someone tell me what the last community bow went for, where it was auctioned and how many new subscriptions were generated?
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Dana, From what I've heard it went for $150. It was auction off at MoJam. I don't know how many subscriptions it generated. Maybe Marie or Sarah could tell you that. Pat
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You see where I'm going with this eh. It just doesn't seem like you are going to get
the exposure that your looking for at one of the hunting banquets.
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$150 dollars is way too cheap. :o I am on the RMEF committee here in our local town. We have a pretty good turnout at the banquets. We average around 250 attendants. I donated a simple BBI at the last banquet and it sold for $425. The key at the banquets is to have a good auctioneer and really get the crowd involved. When we have an item that is donated and auctioned at the banquet we always take a minute to give a little speech and try to get some press time for the organization that donated the item. I am not sure how the other organizations handle their banquets.
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Dana, I think that MoJam is the wrong place to auction off our Community Bows. Everyone there makes their own bows and nobody is carring a wad of money when they come...plus, a lot of folks already subscribe to PA. All of the suggestions are worth looking into. The money recieved is not the point. We don't get it anyway. What we are looking for is the most publicity(and subscriptions) as we can get for Primitive Archer Magazine. This is one reason I like the idea of one of the National Organizations.
Shannon, Can you get us info about when RMEF will hold their next banquet?
As I said before, this is NOT my decision to make. When we get all of this info coordinated, we will put it to a vote amoung all parties involved and that is all of our members. We have 2 complete sets that can be raffled off with either one group or 2 differant groups. That's another decission we will have to make.
Pat
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Here in Michigan the high schools are reviving archery as a sport. So that could be another avenue.
Another idea would be next CBP perhaps Matius and AndrewS could spearhead a European bow project, Marc and and the other
Canucks could do a one. The war bow guys from across the big pond etc. Their is lots of potential here. Personally I don't see PA getting that much exposure
from Whitetail or Turkey federation. From what I've seen of these organizations I see mostly trophy hunters and high tech gadget laden hunting snobs.
Sorry if I offended anyone with that comment. I really believe the place to get em is schools when thier young. Perhaps Nugget could offer a perspective as he teaches bow building at a school.
Dana, you are right on the money when you say the place to get them is in schools when they are young. Trouble is that very few schools will allow students to make a weapon.
When I started the archery class at my school, I didn't intend for it to be a traditional only class, but I really don't know much about compound bows. Not to worry, the kids really prefer making and shooting their own bows. Really fun for me to be around a group of youngsters that just enjoy watching the arrows fly. No agenda on their part. They love the simplicity of "old school" archery.
It would be great if more kids could be exposed to archery in this manner, but I don't know how many schools would allow it. I know that my principal went to bat for me with more than a couple community members who were put off by the idea of having weapons at school.
Stan
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You know, Its unfortunate that most folks don't realize its not a weapon unless it is used as a weapon. A cast iron skillet is a very effective weapon but no one thinks of it as one. If kids are taught to use these, and other tools, correctly and safely there would be a lot less trouble and misunderstanding about it.
I'm all for getting kids involved in archery. Thats why I donate low weight bows to the archery clubs I frequent. Watching the face of a kid with a new bow is worth way more than any money I could get for my bows. Pat
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You are a good man Pat. I don't think this bow is the right bow to go to a school. The skins would be trashed in a week. I think something a little more durable would be better. I do have a thought for everyone to ponder on. Maybe we could do a project were everyone makes a kid bow and we gift a bunch to an after school kids program or something. ;) Justin
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For what it's worth my vote goes to the RMEF for the Northern bow. Unfortunately they have already had their national auction for this year.
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Whats the RMEF?
Justin I love yer idear, count me in.
Perhaps a subscription drive by present subscribers to PA magazine, who ever sells the most subscriptions gets the bow.
Divided into the north and south of course.
Pat a automobile is the most deadly weapon I know of, but they teach driving in the schools.
I just ordered 3 more years of back issues ;D Half way there.
To our European friends would you guys be willing to do a bow package next time?
Just so you guys know, I realize I'm very opinionated, sometimes downright cantankerous, wife says I was born a grumpy ole man ;D
But I also will not hesitate to help someone when their down on their luck. Over the years I have volunteered for many different community projects
and most times I end up burned but thats life eh. I realize few if any share my opinion on things and thats ok. To each their own right!
I'm very new at this new hobby, but my hunger to learn is ravenous. I appreciate each and everyone of you guys and gals. We can disagree over and over
but in the end we all share the same addiction. BTW if ya find a stinky fish under yer seat it was most likely me ;)
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RMEF = Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation
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Dana, The last Community Bow Project consisted of an East Coast Set(Canada included), a West Coast Set and a European Set. I believe the European Bow broke and they lost enthusiasm. Also, it was a lot more difficult for them because they were trying to work across borders.
This is my 3rd Community Bow Project. I was on the tail end of the first one, adding tip overlays and refinishing the bow. I also donated a saddle stitched oak tanned leather back quiver with elk fir collar. Never heard from any of them again. :'( I didn't get discouraged(a little disappointed) because I know the potential the CBP has. I guess that's why I seem so possessive about this one. Even though I only added the string and handle wrap material, I feel as much a part as anyone.
I am going to start a poll in the near future so everyone will have a chance to vote. I will add all of the suggestions that have come up so far and that will come up before the poll. ;) Pat
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Pat all I did was cheer from the sidelines, I can't even begin to say or show how much respect
I have for all the guys that participated in the CBP north or south. It is simply amazing to see the
dedication that is present on this forum and the PA community as a whole. No matter what happens
with the bows you guys did yer part and for that I think we all applaud ya for a job well done.
Had the day off spent it finishing a bow and started building a hot box Feels so dang good ;D
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pat as far as im concerned you are in charge. elk foundation sounds great . i really like the idea of the kids bows. definetly not in connecticut. bringing a bow on to school grounds up here and the feds will show up. lol
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I would like to reiterate my suggestion from the first page. Understanding it would be more work BUT, I think getting in a widely published magazine to run a give away would be the most exposure. I am not referring to just archery hunting but general hunting. The type that are sold over the counter everywhere, Walmart, Quicktrip, book stores etc. Heck, put a time limit on it, the winners to be drawn from all new scripts in the next 6 months or something like that.
Ok, beat me up now ;D
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I'm with skeaterbait, now that I think of it. That would certainly boost awarness of PA, if not up prescription's dramatically. I didn't know the magazine existed till bout a year ago (arrowhead enthusiast friend of mine) now I don't hardly pick up the magazine I've been taking for over ten years now. I soak up almost every article in PA now, and can't wait for the next one (even more fun when your physically practicing some of the tips they publish). I can think of several mag's that I suppose many thousand's subscribe to that PA could possibly get quite a following from.
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I started working on a poll last night. I will try to have it up and ready this evening(if all goes well) so we all can decide where to go from here.
After the poll, I will need some help from whoever is willing, to coordinate everything and contact whomever about raffles, drawings, etc. Also, we need someone to write an atricle for PA and something to distribute with the CBP sets, explaining who did what, etc. Thanks to all. Pat