Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => English Warbow => Topic started by: ~JM~ on June 16, 2007, 10:47:35 pm
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story (http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=044618#000000)
galleries (http://www.sthubertsrangers.org/new_page_1.htm#Medieval_Hunts)
Enjoy.
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thtats really cool, nice boar :)
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That would be Paul Wilburn aka Geoffrey Hawken, the care taker of St. Huberts Rangers, of which I will be a member in a few months, once I get my early 10th Century Anglo-Saxon huntsman kit finished!
St. Huberts Rangers are an international brotherhood on medieval huntsmen that take game (or not!) using only medieval style hunting techniques.....with period crossbows, bows, hawks, spear or ferrets!
It is a blast!
I am one of those authenticity freaks....my clothes are hand sewn, hand woven linen and wool.....
I am kinda a jack of all trades....I am making all of mine own knives and axes...as well as mine own bows, quiver and arrows....even mine own period shoes! My next project is a period leather costrel (aka water bottle or canteen).
One thing I cannot do is sew a set of clothes....so I am having them made....
It truly is a blast and a great way to add history to your archery be it field or hunting!
www.sthubertsrangers.com
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Good looking pictures. I like it when guys take lots of pictures of the hunt. Not just pictures of the kill. Justin
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Hello Chaps,
That's some really interesting looking equipment. I love the gear that's made by the user, to me it's part of what makes primitive archery as wonderful as it is. I had a go at making a costrel out of horn (internally proofed with beeswax) with enough left for a bracer.
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JM Cool pic's and great story ;D
Yeomanbowman I like the costrel and bracer very cool 8) here's some pic's of a grease horn from the Museum of London a freind took you may like to make from horn, I need to take a pic of the grease horn I made.
Miles
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Thanks Miles,
The grease horn looks very interesting, how does it work? Is hot fat poured into the large end and allowed to solidify, also did it have a bung? Whilst I'm bombarding you with questions ;) did it have a date and is the pointed tip cut away deliberately or just decayed/damaged?
I think I'll make one, I'm intrigued!
Cheers,
Jeremy
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That would be Paul Wilburn aka Geoffrey Hawken, the care taker of St. Huberts Rangers, of which I will be a member in a few months, once I get my early 10th Century Anglo-Saxon huntsman kit finished!
St. Huberts Rangers are an international brotherhood on medieval huntsmen that take game (or not!) using only medieval style hunting techniques.....with period crossbows, bows, hawks, spear or ferrets!
It is a blast!
I am one of those authenticity freaks....my clothes are hand sewn, hand woven linen and wool.....
I am kinda a jack of all trades....I am making all of mine own knives and axes...as well as mine own bows, quiver and arrows....even mine own period shoes! My next project is a period leather costrel (aka water bottle or canteen).
One thing I cannot do is sew a set of clothes....so I am having them made....
It truly is a blast and a great way to add history to your archery be it field or hunting!
www.sthubertsrangers.com
Now, this is very very cool stuff. I always wonder why more of you warbow fellows don't put together medieval soldier's kit to see how all that gear (maile, dagger, wollen hose, etc) affects and enhances your experience.
I'm involved in Roman period living history now, and make my own tunics, weave some of my own stuff such as a cloak I'll be finishing for colder times, etc. I just finished a linen band for decorating my undertunic sleeves and bottom heam. Leather hates me, though Stonedog, so I guess we are in opposites when it comes to what we like to make :) Turnshoes terrify me as a project.
I'd like to see you post photos of yourself when you are kitted out, and some gear you already have.
Dane
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Hello Chaps,
That's some really interesting looking equipment. I love the gear that's made by the user, to me it's part of what makes primitive archery as wonderful as it is. I had a go at making a costrel out of horn (internally proofed with beeswax) with enough left for a bracer.
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q280/yeomanbowman/Dscn6989.jpg)
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q280/yeomanbowman/Dscn6988.jpg)
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q280/yeomanbowman/Dscn7098.jpg)
(http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q280/yeomanbowman/Dscn7096.jpg)
Beautiful workmanship.
Dane
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Very,very cool guys I'm really enjoying yer warbow forum, hope ya all like it here.
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Thanks Miles,
The grease horn looks very interesting, how does it work? Is hot fat poured into the large end and allowed to solidify, also did it have a bung? Whilst I'm bombarding you with questions ;) did it have a date and is the pointed tip cut away deliberately or just decayed/damaged?
I think I'll make one, I'm intrigued!
Cheers,
Jeremy
Hi Jeremy
The tip seemed damaged from decay(not a good hole there) it looks like they used it like a drinking horn I've been working on what type grease like lard but on VERY HOT 95'F days here in Suffolk Virginia US it just runs out, so I use a ball of bee’s wax as bung or plug (I have no proof of it being used like this but if was a medieval archer I'd do it that way but we know they did carry bee's wax) but on cool days it not needed.
I did not take the pic’s myself, the Museum of London did not have it dated it just had the small placard I posted.
Jeremy your stuff looks to be a hit.
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one more :) no two
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JM I will be joining your group soon. Just getting most of my gear from Historical Enterprises and just waiting and will be orderring the boots from Armlann. I will be using these mostly for reenactment purposes with the Camlann group in Carnation, WA. I will be using my gear also for hunting purposes and think it would be a kick to get a number of like minded people together to go hunting with. I make my own bows and arrows for reenactment also in the Medieval Warbow style. Dont think I will be up arround 120# range ever but will be using them for hunting purposes arround 50-80# and 30-31" draw length.
Any sugestions on kit to make or take with me on those style of hunts? I will be going out on my own to do this style of hunting unguided so the more info the better.
David T
PS: Really cool boar!
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Miles,
That looks a very good recreation of how the original would have been in its heyday, how about lamb or beef fat thats a bit harder and with a higher melting point?
Dane and DanaM,
Thanks for the positive feedback.
Jeremy
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I do late 15c 1471 my self English Archer but have been doing a number of medieval periods.
There a book called (Medieval Costume and how to Recreate it) reprinted by Dover Publications ISBN 0-486-42985-7 $11.95 US it old 1st published in 1931 but it's very good for the little things like Hunting Costume how to cut two fur hoods from a skin, it's not a bad to have.
I've used Historic Enterprises there OK Amror great
I've used Medieval Design there in Itay and of guy in my US group go here very good clothes and footwear
Hi-end footwear at hi-cost he's in the UK
Good Hunting
Miles
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Miles,
That looks a very good recreation of how the original would have been in its heyday, how about lamb or beef fat thats a bit harder and with a higher melting point?
I've not worked it out do not know that much about grease my self ::) I know they had Goose grease to but do not know Yet. ;D
Miles
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Dane,
I will post a few pics of gear I have finished....only a belt and a wool pack so far....I am halfway done with making mine own Seax....I am seding it out for the heat reat though...but its the first knife I have ever made and its shaping up to be a dandy!
Fortunately, leather, metal and wood love me.....fabic hates me! About all I can do with fabic is make basic items...like sacks or char it for char cloth! LOL!
I should have it all complete by december at the latest....next projects are a new longbow....hunting weight of 60# at my 26" draw and a leather costrel!
When I get my Seax and sheath complete I will post it.....
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Nice!
What type of Seax are you making?
Saexes are common throughout Scandanavian country's but the British variety is unique,the 'Brokenback' seax is only found in England,its a big bugger with a two hand grip and a welded blade.If your making a Seax for war then it must be one of the bigger one's (Brokenback,Scramseax) these blades can be as long as A Roman Gladii,but they range from 12" up to 30" being the largest.
You can allso have the smaller variety but these were utility knives,used for everything from Eating to picking your toes ;D,beautiful little knives with blades from 2" long.
And people think Saxons were all Longswords and Axe's,a Brokenback Seax is just as affective as a Gladius in the shieldwall.Of course,that doesnt mean the Huscarl's behind you cant cleave the enemy in two with the mighty Daneaxe ;D,what a weapon!
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Here's a link to a late 15c Hunting Knife it's a Duke's not commer
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/bnpu/ho_50.119a-c.htm
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Charles the Terrible,brave as a lion but as cruel as Nero in his wildest moments :'(.He was king Edward IV's brother in law and many Burgundian Bowmen fought for the Yorkist in the war of the roses.
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Charles the Terrible,brave as a lion but as cruel as Nero in his wildest moments :'(.He was king Edward IV's brother in law and many Burgundian Bowmen fought for the Yorkist in the war of the roses.
Yes Charles was hotheaded powermad jerk but he's dead now :P may he RIP or in hell and his hunting knife is a really good example of Blade and Handel, I posted it because it a hunting knife.
The wars of the roses were a longent period(30+yrs) of civil war in Engish History and the off and on conflict was very violent and cruel time.
Campaigns were brief and the disruption to the common man was usually fairly limited as both dynasties hoped to rule an economically prosperous England once the dispute was settled.
The English themselves were not the only participants either. Scottish, French, Burgundian, and Netherlands interests were at times played out, with invasions coming out of, or backed by, some of these countries.
Now Loki is that your Huscarl kit because it wicked cool 8)
Cheers Miles
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Dane,
I will post a few pics of gear I have finished....only a belt and a wool pack so far....I am halfway done with making mine own Seax....I am seding it out for the heat reat though...but its the first knife I have ever made and its shaping up to be a dandy!
Fortunately, leather, metal and wood love me.....fabic hates me! About all I can do with fabic is make basic items...like sacks or char it for char cloth! LOL!
I should have it all complete by december at the latest....next projects are a new longbow....hunting weight of 60# at my 26" draw and a leather costrel!
When I get my Seax and sheath complete I will post it.....
No rush, I'd just like to see your gear when you have it all together.
Neat on the seax - right now, I'm trying to track down what the ancestor of the Germanic seax was. Any ideas? I'm talking about what the Germanic tribes would have used during the Roman period.
Funny how we have the skills we have. Fabric is easy for me, but leather and bone are horrifyingly difficult. Horn and bone simply hate me, and leather needles love to impale me.
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Miles,
What's the backing on this target? I'm due for a new arrow-stopper.
J. D. Duff
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Funny how we have the skills we have. Fabric is easy for me, but leather and bone are horrifyingly difficult. Horn and bone simply hate me, and leather needles love to impale me.
Hi Dane
If you can stop by a saddle and tack maker shop and them show you there tool's and how they work leather I've picked up alot from doing that.
I'm not bleeding as much now ;)
Hi J.D.Duff
It the back sided of the two Welcome mats face to face looks good hu ;D Hahaha works very well, made it for under $15 bucks.
Miles
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I like that a lot. Would it stopr field points out of a 90# bow ok?
J. D. Duff
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I like that a lot. Would it stopr field points out of a 90# bow ok?
J. D. Duff
Hey J.D.
Yes but you need big fat mats or points stick 1/2 way out the back I'm thinking of adding one more mat be because when I shoot my big 5 bow at it ~110# there going in very deep. ;D
Ligth Bow say -45# can Bounds off it at times no fun for the kiddys. :-\
I'm looking for round mat's to make a target from but had no luck yet.
There's two type's out there they cost about the same straw (very much like the cool English Straw Targets the real ones from the UK that cost a arm and leg to ship to the US but then we have game to shoot here ;)) and coconut husk, when I was testing this out I took my old used welcome mat from the back door of the house and started shooting it, this one was coconut husk it work well.
Miles
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Thanks for the help Miles.
J. D.
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Funny how we have the skills we have. Fabric is easy for me, but leather and bone are horrifyingly difficult. Horn and bone simply hate me, and leather needles love to impale me.
Hi Dane
If you can stop by a saddle and tack maker shop and them show you there tool's and how they work leather I've picked up alot from doing that.
I'm not bleeding as much now ;)
Good advice, Miles, but my leather needs are not that great right now. One day, perhaps. I do manage to poke myself once in a while working in linen and wool, so all this is bought with blood, :) Blood doesnt look good in natural linen. Sometime, I'll post some photos of my Roman kit, though not English War Bow related. Neither is a Scorpio, for that matter, but it is a mega-powerful arrow shooter for war. That will go in the regular bow forum, I guess.
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Hey Dane
Where you at Roma day 2007 Maryland?
I was just looking at all the cool stuff here's some it not the Warbow we talk about but it is a type of Warbow.
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Miles, I alas, missed it this year, but nine members from my Legio, Legio III Cyrenaica were there. That stone throwing ballista was just finished weeks before the event by Flavius Octavius Servus (aka Fred Wojick), and we call it the Roman Atomic Cannon. It weighs thousands of pounds, and is primarily ash. he did a fantastic job.
You can't tell it from the last photo, but that is the bed of the new cart Publius Clodius Secundus (Randi Richard), Tesseraruius of the III built recently. He is the guy manning the scorpio, with the straw hat. One of the big things for us about this event was having possibly the first arrow firing catapulta mounted in a cart in nearly 2000 years in action. The scorpio you see is from the Legio XXIV.
My scorpio is coming along nicely. I'm about to start the base, and within I hope a few months, cast the washers out of bronze. That is a new skill I have to acquire for this project. I expect to start building my melting furnace in the next few weeks to a month. The nice thing about this is I can cast bronze tribolate and bibolate arrow heads, something you simply cant find at all out there as repros (echoing the difficulty you English war bow guys have with authentic bodkins and such).
I'll be using actual artifacts as the starting point for my molds. I have a nice little 100 BC bronze head here, a small one that was almost certainly not for a full sized war bow, but would make a nice target point.
Dane
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Yaep they shoot little ash baseball bats!!!! ;D
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Ha ha. Yeah, George Metz does make some of his scorpio ammo from those mini bats. You noticed that, :)
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Ya I ask him how he made them I know it was ash and a very hvy. bolt he told mini ball bat he get for free at the ball game
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You were at the Roman Day event? So you know George? On his XXIV webpage, you can go to the catapulta section, and it outlines how he makes them, with pics.
Dane
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Dane, you have the URL of that webpage?
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Here you are.
http://www.legionxxiv.org/catapulta/
Dane
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Know George no but I may have talk with him, two guy's my LH group Lord Grey's Retinue are in XIV=14th that's Chuck R. and James B. and ran in to a freind 18c Ron F. of the LEG IX HISP.
Kurt Suleski is a very old frenid he in to the big roman weapons he's been in to it for a long time too, LEGIO XX Valeria Victrix
Ballistaria he has a Great home page called Knight's Armoury with a lot DIY stuff from 1c Roman to 20c WW2 one smart cookey.
You should do up some thing on this may be PA would put it in a issue I've got just about 100+ pic of Roman days 2007 I'll post some of the pic's just give the heads up when you do.
Because we are Hi-Jacking ::) Medieval-Style hunt! ;)
Fun talking with you hope to talk some more.
Cheers MilesHere you are.
http://www.legionxxiv.org/catapulta/
Dane
Very Wicked Cool Link
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Miles, I know about Kurt's Knights Armory site. Great place! He and I corresponded before, and will again as I build my machine. Cool guy.
I'd love to see the Roman Day shots, if you could maybe post them somehow? And I am sorry, we did hijack this thread. Sorry, guys.
Dane