Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Josh on July 02, 2011, 06:31:16 pm
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In order to get accurate information for the magazine, Primitive Archer magazine is requiring a subscription number to be given along with your name and address when you win the Bow of the Month Contest. It is to ensure that the correct person is named as winner for that month and it also helps the magazine keep up with who won and has a way to contact the winner with information about publishing the winner's name and photos in the magazine. Furthermore, if you post a picture on this website which belongs to Primitive Archer Magazine, you are giving The Primitive Archer magazine permission to use your name/photos in any and all future publications and advertising. Thanks for your cooperation everybody! :)
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Subscription number???
I don't actually subscribe to the magazine, does that mean I'm not eligible?
Del
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Del, if you subscribed to the magazine it would be a great way to help support this free message board! :) I think it's only 20 something dollars a year. If you buy each individual magazine every other month it's like twice that. :)
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Also I have been told that whenever someone writes or calls about a bow they saw published for information to contact the bowyer about a possible bow sale or trade, it is hard for the magazine to track down the bowyer to give him/her the information so they can get in contact with the interested party. With a subscription number, they would be able to type it in and have a mailing address and phone number on file which would help to facilitate the transaction for both the bowyer and interested party. ;)
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I live in Canada. Unless I subscribe to e-mag, I end up paying more for a subscription than purchasing off the newstand. If this was addressed, I'd buy a subscription.
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Adb, I went and looked up the yearly subscription price for Canada and it's 26.00. There are 6 magazines a year and at newsstand prices which are 7.99 each for US and Canada... you'd end up paying around 48 dollars a year at the newsstand. You'd save 22 dollars a year with a subscription. :)
you are free to participate on this site without a subscription, Scott.
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This website/forum belongs to Primitive Archer Magazine. All of the costs for this website are paid by Primitive Archer Magazine and at no cost to it's website members. Primitive Archer makes it's money by selling subscriptions. The more subscriptions, the more advertisers which help pay the bills too.
Also, Primitive Archer Magazine makes the rules for this site. ;) This new rule doesnt mean that you as a member can't participate on the website as usual but what it does mean is without a subscription to PA Magazine your bow(s) will not be considered for BOM each month.
And, if anyone feels unwelcomed here on the PA website because they themselves refuse to help support such a great site, I'm sorry. You will have to live with that. You won't find a more welcoming site on the web. I have subscribed to Primitive Archer Magazine since before it was published. I still have every issue that was delivered to my mailbox. My subscriptions and the subscriptions of all the others is what keeps the magazine alive and inturn the website up and running. When you buy off the rack, very little of what you pay gets back to Primitive Archer Magazine.
I(and the other dedicated Admins and Mods) spend many hours on the website and behind the screnes keeping the site running well and making it a family friendly website for it's world wide membership. We don't get paid for our time doing this but I feel it is a privledge to be able to support Primitive Archer Magazine and the PA website.
So, if you really enjoy Primitive Archer Magazine, if you really enjoy the PA website, if you really enjoy the world wide coverage of primitive and traditional archery, if you really appreciate wealth of information that is free to you at your fingertips, if you really enjoy all the new friends you have made here and last but not least, if you really want your bow to be considered for BOM each month, then help support the magazine that supports this website. Subscribe to Primitive Archer Magazine!!! 8)
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I sent my first subscription in before #1 issue too ;D
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Man......That was a Lot of ....IF's............ ;)
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Trying to cover all bases! ;)
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I've just been buying them off the shelf, but just got my subscription order in, didn't know they made less money from buying it off the shelf, Bub
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Personally I think this new rule is crap.. I am only 15 and on one of the reasons that I enjoy this site so much is that it is FREE... being a kid the money is much more to me that most of you so it ain't so easy to just fork it over... I have always enjoyed the competition and thought that it was pretty cool..
Does this new rule apply to this months contest?
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Personally I think this new rule is crap.. I am only 15 and on one of the reasons that I enjoy this site so much is that it is FREE... being a kid the money is much more to me that most of you so it ain't so easy to just fork it over... I have always enjoyed the competition and thought that it was pretty cool..
Does this new rule apply to this months contest?
Bein' one of the youngins too, I can tell you once you have to start paying your own bills money starts to become far more scarce and meaningful than when you're 15 ;)
Quick question though... how do I find out my subscription number? I mean, I'm not getting a lot of bows done anyway, but it's probably good to have :)
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I had been buying the magazines for the last couple of years at the news stands, but when I found out that a subscription helped out more, I sent in for it right away. I love the magazine and this site. I have no problem supporting it however I can. I am fine with the new BOM rule also. I will probably never win, but who knows. If it wasn't for the magazine, this site wouldn't exist. Just my 2 cents.
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I have been a Member for years...and a Subscriber for as long....I understand that the Site is paid for by the Magazine....but my opinion...for what it may be worth....is that this sure is an exclusionary rule ...and I don't believe it's a good one....and I hope it don't hort more than it Helps....but then...thats just my opinion....
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Just think about going to Books A Million and getting the magazine off the shelf. It's there to get more exposure, Books A Million is saying, " Thank's for the money PA, we just gave you international exposure".
and you know, Some of you guy's that enter BOM get the exposure also. I know a few of you sell bows, I can guarantee winning BOM jumps your price up for the bows you sell. If you buy it off the shelf, it's free. A subscription is $20, how much do you pay for beer, cigs, fish bait, hunting leases?
Lombard, as far as another Trad site jumping on this? Which one is going to put you in the Magazine? As far as I know there is only one other, Traditional Bowhunter, and they are 95% glass bows.
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hell it's less than half the price to get a subscription, come on!!!
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So where would one find their subscription #? I guess I missed it?
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Your subscription number is on the mailing label on your magazine right above your name. It begins with "PA******. If you still can't find it contact ann@primitivearcher.com and she will help you out.
Excuses are easy to come by when it comes to supporting PA magazine. Not being able to afford $20 bucks a year isn't a good one in my opinion. We all have birthdays, Christmas and other occasions when folks give us presents. Put a subscription to PA on that gift list. That will be the least expensive present on your list I'd be willing to bet! ;)
And we(PA website) don't claim exclusivity for BOM. if any other website wants to give it a go, let them have at it.
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so do the bows for june bom get a pass this month or do the bom entries that are entered from non subscribers get pulled and do their votes become worthless. just a question, i will gladly subscribe but does it seem fair to have people who have entered there bows for june bom and hope to win and only find out that they need to be subscribers to have a valid chance to win. this an awesome site but in all fairness would it not be more well recieved if the july bom entries were required to be from subscribers, it would help ease the transition,just my opinion.
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This is a "pay to play" move plain and simple, and while that is certainly and justifiably PA's perogative to do so, it is insulting to try and pretend it's about correct addresses and contact info. I'm as capitalistic as they come and understand PA's primary goal is turning a profit. But please don't feed us a line . I'm a subscriber and have been for 5 cumulative years. Pat makes good points about subscribing. Let's keep it at that, an honest attempt to pay the bills and keep the mag and forum alive, and leave the bs out of it.
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This is a "pay to play" move plain and simple, and while that is certainly and justifiably PA's perogative to do so, it is insulting to try and pretend it's about correct addresses and contact info. I'm as capitalistic as they come and understand PA's primary goal is turning a profit. But please don't feed us a line . I'm a subscriber and have been for 5 cumulative years. Pat makes good points about subscribing. Let's keep it at that, an honest attempt to pay the bills and keep the mag and forum alive, and leave the bs out of it.
I like This Guy............ ;)
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I tend to agree with you NTD, absolutely nothing wrong with trying to turn a profit but it is nice to be treated as an adult. I just renewed my subscription after a couple of years absence. This is an excellent sight and the BOM contest does contribute a lot to the success of this forum. Steve
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I was a subscriber for several years. I let mine run out and between some moves and career changes, I had a few year lapse. I'm back in action and I intend to purchase my missed back issues, and I know how to get them. I just have to do my inventory. I just re-subscribed on the web through this site. Before I receive my first issue, how do I find my subscription number?. I kinda have a bow I'd like to enter for July.
Both sides of the "pay to participate in BOM" issue make good points. It is what it is. It likely costs money and time to maintain. Afterall, it is a great site. For a "primitive" organization, the web site is pretty high tech. Let's forego the drama, kiss, make-up and continue on with our extended friendships. Besides all of the valuable tips and advice, isn't that really what it is all about?
...Passing it on.
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I can understand the feeling you get when suddenly you have to pay for something you've just come to expect... but considering the BOM is part of the MAGAZINE, it only seems fair that they should be able to somehow glean from its popularity (and at $20 a year that's far less than any other bad habit any of us have). After all, this all is thanks to the wonderful work done by the folks at PA magazine.
Besides, it's a light-hearted little contest... is it really that big a deal? The forum is still open and free to everyone (there being a time when it wasn't), so you can still come and interact, learn, and show off for free. Considering the many hardships folks have to go through in life every day, I hardly consider this to be worth much fuss :-\.
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I found this site on the internet, it is only recently I even realized it was connected to a magazine,( maybe I'm bit slow?),Never even seen the mag.. I always felt that my contribution was the imput I gave to the site, in posting bows , help, and inspiration etc. Didnt realize it was expensive to run the site......., I would have thought the site was very good advertising for the magazine and all those who contribute their time and energy to the site where automatically contriuting to the success of PA in general? This site must surely draw a lot of attention to the magazine and increase sales, it must also provide a wealth of free pictures and material to fill the magazine? I do feel the PA should be more grateful to all of us who post our bows and freely share our knowledge to make this site worth visiting.....free advertising and material?
I do understand though if the PA needs money, dont we all? but this feels like a strange way to go about asking/pressurizing..., I agree with NTD above..... It is also quite a bit more expensive to get the mag across the ocean.
I am very grateful to this site though for all the help I have recieved, I'm not trying to be funny but I do feel a little pressurised, but I'll probably subscribe anyway, maybe you could send me my hat, for my last BOM win many months ago???
Just thought I'd throw in my worthless humble opinion.
David Hook
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Unortunatly my subscription ran out this month. Now with me being on workers comp from my knee, I don't have the funds for it, and it will take a few months to catch up on bills. So tht will put me out for a few month., BUT my real question is. Do non subscribers get to vote?
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I was a subscriber before coming to the site, and have been since. After reading calandergirl's note I had just put the renewal in the mailbox then this post come out, and thank God I beat the mailman to the mailbox, to retrieve it.
I'm pretty old and have seen a lot of different ways of going about something. I do not believe that the "do this or else" approach has ever worked very well. I don't enter the contest, and now wont vote for bows either cause it just seems right that if only subscribers may enter then only subscribers should vote.
Ya should have just left Calandergirl's post....I'll bet ya would have gotten more subscribers than doing this. I can say for sure you would have one more than ya got now.
rich rousseau
half eye
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I was going to buy your book at Lowes, Glad I read this first.
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Ya just made my point, thanks......ya get to make up your own mind, no threats involved.
rich
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Scott..................................... ;)
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I have no idea what a subscripion in the UK would cost and how long I'd have to wait for the mag'?
I don't like E'mags, you can't flip through them the same as you can a real mag'.
I was under the impression that it was a two way street, this forum provides publicity and expertise given freely which benefits the mag.
Times are hard, in the UK we have improverished bankers and a government of millionaires to support.
Del
BTW. I didn't much like the comment about winning BOM would get me to jack up my prices. I sell maybe half a dozen bows a year at a price varying from cheap to my special 'pretty lady' rate which is a mere token.
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I cant believe all the hoo-hah this is causing. This website is one of the most friendly and accepting I have ever found. I love the site and the magazine, even as an overseas subscriber (UK).
Del, at 68 USD (£46.80) for 3 years including delivery the printed PA magazine has to be the bargain of the century here in the UK. Most motorcycling (my other hobby) mags here in the UK are around £4 per month, and not much less if you subscribe, so the price I'm paying for a 3 year subscription with overseas delivery is about the same as buying a UK monthly motorcycling magazine for year! The delivery time varies, but I usually get my copy of PA a few weeks after publication. I can live with that as there's nothing else quite like it for content and practical archery advice. Compare and contrast with The Glade or Bow International - snore!!!
If I'm honest I'm not too bothered about BOM - although it is great to see what some of you guys can do - so that doesnt impact my enjoyment of the website and the magazine. I have a full set of back issues as well, bought separately, as they are chock-full of useful info and articles. I will continue to subscribe, but only for the real, printed magazine.
Cheers, Bob.
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I buy my mags from a guy that has a little Trad shop where i live. I buy them there to support that gentleman, because I usually purchase something else as well. This appraoch by PA makes me feel like when the T.V. evangelist that tells me if I send him my money it goes a long way to getting me to Heaven. That (I hope) may not be the intention of PA, but that is the impression I get.
Jon W.
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It seems that for some people if they dont have something to complain about they just arent happy. If times are as tough as some are complaining about then it would seem that it would only make sense to cut back on non-essentials like, oh I dont know, internet service. one month of internet service costs more than a year subscription to PA. While I dont post much I do enjoy reading both the magazine and the web site. Show your support for the things you enjoy and move on.
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Lombard, you are right, SMF is free. Now that we established that maybe you could provide the space on your personal server with enough memory and enough bandwidth to support the amount of data that is transferred continually. We also need power and internet redundancy so that the server never goes off line. Im sure you also have the knowledge to set up the software and maintain the data bases, there are several. Oh and we need this all for FREE. Thanks......
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...Del, at 68 USD (£46.80) for 3 years including delivery the printed PA magazine has to be the bargain of the century here in the UK. Cheers, Bob.
OK.. I'm suitably chastened, I'll just have to sell another 23.8 staves to cover it ;).
Or maybe I could just have your back issues ::)
Del
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It seems that for some people if they don't have something to complain about they just aren't happy. If times are as tough as some are complaining about then it would seem that it would only make sense to cut back on non-essentials like, oh I don't know, internet service. one month of internet service costs more than a year subscription to PA. While I don't post much I do enjoy reading both the magazine and the web site. Show your support for the things you enjoy and move on.
You want to here about hard times, Then you should be living with me for the past 2 months and at least the next 2. My church has paid the electric bill which was over 400.00 because of this heat. I've made arrangements with other utilities for payments. Even our landlord is working with us. We don't have the $ to do ANY of those things you take for granted, like going out to eat, movie, drive to the park, take the family to see the fireworks. Dropping internet service? I would in a heartbeat, but they would still get the $$ because I'm under a contract and it's auto deducted!!! TV. I dropped to the lowest package they have. so I can at least get my local news. Also same as internet. I think you're getting the idea. Sorry for the rant( which I never have here ) but some things should have not been said.
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I would say that the PA has to be the best forum on the net for learning about wooden bow making and probably has some of the most skillfull and knowledgable wooden bowyers in the world participating in it. The number of members is growing at a fast rate ,there are nearly 1500 members more than there was when I joined just a few years ago. The success of the forum must surely be contributing considerably to the sales of the mag. It must surely be the best possible marketing and advertising strategy to look after and encourage the participation of the forum members. The quality of the forum vouches for the quality of the mag.
Unfortunately these days people are more interested in reading off the screen than reading physical ,printed material and this trend seems set to only get worse. Investment in the forum would then seem the way forward in terms of marketing the mag.
Like Scott D said above, maybe if the forum could be more cross linked with the magazine to let its members know whats in the mag. then they might be inclined to subscribe because they are attracted to it and want to buy it.
I have no idea what the mag is like, I've never seen one, its not for sale over here ( I dont think), Why would I want to buy something I have never had contact with, or seen the quality of? If this is my case there must be many others like me on the forum..... maybe. Far better to attract people than to pressurise them through guilt etc.
David Hook.
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Hillbilly i am not, I repeat not, pointing fingers at anyone. With that in mind there are always exceptions to every rule. I am sure there are those individuals who are in dire straights. I also understand there are the youths (15 year olds) that are on here because they were introduced by a family member who is a subscriber to PA and they dont have their own subscription but want to participate in Bow of the Month. Again there are always exceptions but that is not the situation that most find themselves in, JMHO. If I offended it was not my intent. I hope that your situation changes for the better soon and good fortune again smiles upon you. Congrats for having a caring Church and support in your community during your times of trouble.
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The BOM contest is part of the Magazine. Takes money to print the many pages of large colored photographs. The forum itself is still open and free. Is not being allowed in a contest really that big a deal that you would actually feel the need to NOT subscribe? It's not like PA is a big magazine either, and "rolling your own" certainly doesn't draw in advertisers like, "buying product X will kill you big bucks!"
If you like the magazine you should want to subscribe anyway- regardless of who says what, or what you can or can't do. You get it faster, you support the magazine more effectively, everyone wins. However this may have been presented it doesn't change the fact that BOM is a large part of the site as well as the mag, and it's only fair that there be some sort of carry over both ways. There certainly isn't a lot of "material" being taken from the forums for it, seems the forum is just becoming it's own entity seperate of the magazine. Not sure how "grateful" they need to be when there's no interest in the magazine, just more folks using their forums...
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once more i am cornfused is it a subscription i need or a perscription :-\
you dont have to be crazy to come here but it dang sure helps >:D
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my only suggestion is that PA wait until the bom contest for june is over so that all the individuals who enterd under the old rule be allowed to finish the contest under the old rule and not be disqualified from the bom contest by not being subscribers and the july bom contest be operated under the new rule, instead of, if i may paraphrase" changing the rules during the game" if this is done the change will be much better recieved. i plan on subscribing, it is a great site and magazine. awesome people, just my 2 cents.
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Wow, Just reading up on all this and I must say that I am blown away by some of the offenses a few have taken. Come on people this is really petty. Think about it, when you go to a 3-d shoot you pay anywhere from 10-25 dollars to shoot and enter the "contest" when you enter a fishing derby there is an entry fee. If it's a big buck contest or the lottery, it is a pay to play world. If you win the BOM you are honored and certainly spotlighted for your achievement. I know that I have been given more honor then I think I deserve from the few times that Ive won and certainly have PA and the members to that for that. What I'm saying is this: Entering BOM is a contest that, at it's very roots and heart, was set up to pay tribute to those outstanding bows that you all create. PA didn't have to do it, but has offered it for our benefit. I personally would feel a little embarrassed to squabble about being required to be a contributing member. I am very thankfull for this site and magazine and all that PA has done here. I am more then willing to show it by my subscription to the magazine. I chose this route before it was encouraged and I don't feel I was forced or coerced by any to make that decision. My .02
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;DLombard;
Challenge excepted! ;) You gift a couple of Subsciptions and I'll donate to your ASTB Shoot. Geographical statistics probably won't work anyway. ;)
And, there is a few people that is doing the most whining that weren't here a few years ago when it took a lot of begging and certain new rules to keep the Primitive Archer Mngt from getting rid of the whole web site.
And for everybody that thinks the Mag is reaping all kinds of benefits from this site, just look at all the indignant people that don't have a subscription, but complain the most. This Magazine lives and dies based on Subscriptions, this free site is their way of saying Thanks.
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I used to but my mags from the bookstore then read a comment by Marc that subscriptions helped the magazine a lot more than buying from a bookstore. Didn't understand why just knew I got quite a bit of free info and great reading from this site and if buying a subscription helped the mag financially then this site would be less likely to disappear.
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:DLombard,
I'm a GREAT shot with pistols, I thought about it :-\ Ask Mechslasher about my shot on a hog ;D. Give me the dates and where to send something.
The one thing I will add is if you need to support your bookstore, and I understand this, you can at least support PA by not being so negative in your posts.
it just stirs the pot with sensationalism and research without all the facts, kinda like the evening news.
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So...no one has answered the Questions listed ...Do you have to be a Subscriber to Vote or win Junes BOM? Do you have to be a Subscriber to vote on all BOM's in the Future...or can anyone vote? (this just don't seem fair...if you have to be a Subscriber to enter)...just need to know.... ;)
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I'm quite sure everyone will be allowed to vote
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Yeeeesh. All this commotion over six pennies a day. :-\
I think this site is well worth paying six cents a day to use. But its still free(thank you primitive archer management) and BOM is a very tiny part of what this site has to offer.
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the new rule will not go into effect until August.
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Hopefully this thread will continue until then...its been a hoot ;D
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to all the administrstors and all the folks behind the scenes of PA thank you i will promptly subscribe friday the 8th, i love the site and your magazine. i hope to be here for a long time. you have been more than fair and respectful in your response to our concerns, i will enter bom as much as i can,it sure will be tough to win(lots of awesome bows), thanks again and i hope this response eases others concerns and questions, it surely has mine.
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Hi,
Can anybody tell me if hard copies are available in the UK? And if so, what kind of price?
I'd be happy to subscribe to a paper version.
Barney
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Hi,
Can anybody tell me if hard copies are available in the UK? And if so, what kind of price?
I'd be happy to subscribe to a paper version.
Barney
http://www.primitivearcher.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=002&Category_Code=S
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Just looked at the price of subscribing to a hard copy of PA shipped to the UK. $160.00 for the year! Sorry, the shipping is prohibitive. Why so much? It doesn't cost anything like that to ship from the UK to the US.
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No offense Barney but I have no idea where you got that price from because it certainly wasn't at PA. A 3 year international subscription doesn't cost half of that, it's only $2 more than a 3 year Canadian subscription.
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$25 an issue...that sounds about right ;D
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Hi,
I clicked on a link put up by Justin. Perhaps I missread. Will Check out again. Apologies.
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Just looked at the price of subscribing to a hard copy of PA shipped to the UK. $160.00 for the year! Sorry, the shipping is prohibitive. Why so much? It doesn't cost anything like that to ship from the UK to the US.
You need to check again, it is:
$28 for 1 year international
$48 for 2 years international
$68 for 3 years international
http://www.primitivearcher.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=002&Category_Code=S
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Hi Barney, as I said earlier in the thread, at the price of $68 for a 3 year international subscription, the magazine is a steal when compared to other UK magazine subs! ;D.
....but to the publishers, please keep the subs in that price range ;)
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i have subscribed to the mag, since day one, i dont know what all the fuss is about, if your not one of the select few that seem to win bow of the month all the time no worry.
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I got a little wound up myself when I first read this thread and posted a smart a_ _ remark I regretted. After some long over do sleep and clear headed contemplation the next day, I realized it was a lot of guff over dang little. I always bought off the shelf for one simple reason, I'm never home to get my magazine! I then discovered the e-mag ads and wondered why I hadn't subscribed to that it the first place. If saving over half what I was paying off the shelf and not having to stop at ten different truck stops and convenience stores every day until I found the latest issue is the price to pay for support of this forum, I'm good with that!!! ;) And to anybody that read that post before I removed it, I apologize. Lesson learned, don't post when tired and riding a grouch! My bows are to plain and utilitarian (primitive?) to catch the eyes of enough voters to win BOM. Nor do I think it should be any other way. There are some very talented folks posting bows here that go the extra miles to stand out from the rest. Their work is beautiful and should be recognized. That being said it is kind of cool to have your bow on the same page as the best bowyers around even if its just on the voting thread. Sorry to ramble, I just had to say what's on my mind.
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Gun Doc:
We don't know each other but, I wanted to let you know that your most recent post was written with class. I read it to my 11-year old son as an example of integrity. It was clearly well thought and likely, difficult to post.
Shoot straight and drive safely, as well!
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MWirwicki:
Thank you, over the years I've learned that doing the right thing is not so hard to swallow, even with a big side of crow! ;) Now, if I could just learn to filter my thoughts before I have to apologize, I would truly be on the road to enlightenment! ;D
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@ Scott D ~ I can help you quantify that through econometrics if you can get the data on it.
I'm not a subscriber to be honest. Not that I don't don't want to be but as an unemployed economist it's not the best use of $20 right now. Later will be a different story.
I'm wondering how I can submit bows for the competition, or even acknowledgement and comment prior to actually getting a subscription. Complimentary subscription would make a great prize.
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I'm wondering how I can submit bows for the competition, or even acknowledgement and comment prior to actually getting a subscription.
All you have to do is post pictures and you can get all the acknowledgment and comment you desire. Lots of guys post pictures just to look at and we all enjoy looking at pictures of primitive bows.
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That is true enough I s'pose. but getting it in print would be nice, or getting the BOM.
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If recognition is that important that $20 shouldn't be too hard to come up with. Pretty cheap price to pay to be recognised. ;)
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Boy howdy. Just read through this one and I am glad to see that everyone seems to be calming down now. I thought gundocs humility was inspiring and I love all you guys on this site. I love the mag and read it cover to cover and then pass it on to my ole primitve bow buddy "one eyed" Bill. So we get a two for one benefit out of it. He's been disabled and can't afford much anyway and I would probabely loose track of where it was if it was'nt for him. He puts em in a binder.
My two cents worth is this, PA needs to make money to pay the bills and make it worth their while ( free enterprise system at its best). If PA wants to set a few more rules, thats ok with me. I think it could have been soft sold in a more genteel way and recieved a more positive reaction.
I have been a subscriber for I think a couple years. I've been in the contest a few times but never won and to be honest with you don't think I ever will. Thats ok its still fun to see your work along side the greatness that graces this site and share mutual appreciation of one anothers accomplishment. I subscribed because it was easier than trying to remember when the next issue comes out. I get so busy in life that sometimes its tough to even come up for air, so I'm glad when I go to the mailbox and there is another issue waiting to be devoured. I personally want PA to do well financially so that they can remain strong and solid for many years to come, because I know that if they don't, then we loose a very valuable resource in the promotion of the hobby we all love so much. I like traditional archer well enough, but I love PA. So for me I will subscribe until the cows come home. For those that can't, I understand.
I'll leave you all with this thought; I was told a long time ago by a man I consider to be wise, " you can tell the size of the man by the size of the problems that upset him". Now if I could just find that LOW DOWN DIRTY ROTTEN &$%*&^%^* thumb tack I lost I could get something &^%$#%&&%% done around here. >:( :P ;D Danny