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Main Discussion Area => Flintknapping => Topic started by: JackCrafty on August 23, 2011, 01:24:24 pm

Title: New Vids - Beginner 4 Part Series - Stone Hunting Point
Post by: JackCrafty on August 23, 2011, 01:24:24 pm
 ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8U0BXsGY1U
Title: Re: New Vids - Beginner 4 Part Series - Stone Hunting Point
Post by: Gus on August 23, 2011, 05:16:50 pm
Great quality video Mr. Crafty.

Did not find 2 through 4 in your list.
Looking forward to seeing more on this series.

I subscribed and will be looking at your other videos.

Thank You.

-gus
Title: Re: New Vids - Beginner 4 Part Series - Stone Hunting Point
Post by: JackCrafty on August 23, 2011, 06:05:53 pm
Here's the other vids:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQVKroeoN5Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF4JS_lL1pk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou83OHPJwF8
Title: Re: New Vids - Beginner 4 Part Series - Stone Hunting Point
Post by: skippy1 on August 23, 2011, 06:44:21 pm
JackCrafty, I have watched all of your vids and I'm a big fan :)  I was wondering if you could tell me where I can get the delerin rods so I can make some tools like yours. I have had alot of problems with direct percussion so maybe your technique would work better for me. I'm in Del Rio btw, if you ever want to get together and knap please let me know.
Thanks
Ryan
Title: Re: New Vids - Beginner 4 Part Series - Stone Hunting Point
Post by: JackCrafty on August 23, 2011, 08:04:42 pm
Ryan, I get the plastic rods from a guy on ebay.  I can't post the link here...but you can do a search on ebay for "UHMW Plastic Rod".  You will see various pieces.  The ones I use most often are either 3/4" or 1" in diameter and 10" long.

Del Rio.  hmmmm....you're about 4 hours away and it looks like Ozona is half way between us.  Maybe we can meet there for some knapping.  Do you know anyone in Ozona?
Title: Re: New Vids - Beginner 4 Part Series - Stone Hunting Point
Post by: skippy1 on August 23, 2011, 10:19:05 pm
I'm sorry, I dont know anyone in Ozona. My inlaws live in comstock, thats as far out as I normally go. Im sure we could find somewhere in ozona tho to sit down and do some knapping. Do you just drill a hole in the plastic and slide the copper wire in? Or do you use some kind of glue to hold it in place? My cell is 330-321-1836. Feel free to call anytime and maybe we can set some time to meet.
Title: Re: New Vids - Beginner 4 Part Series - Stone Hunting Point
Post by: JackCrafty on August 23, 2011, 10:35:05 pm
Yeah, I just drill a hole in the end and insert the copper.  No glue.

I wrote down your number.  I'm going to a knapp-in in Odessa this Saturday but maybe we can meet the weekend after this one.  I'll look for a spot for knapping and keep you posted.
Title: Re: New Vids - Beginner 4 Part Series - Stone Hunting Point
Post by: skippy1 on August 23, 2011, 11:08:44 pm
cool, sounds like a plan. Let me know what day would be good for you so I can make sure I request them off work. (I dont normally have weekends off) I hope to meet up soon :)
Title: Re: New Vids - Beginner 4 Part Series - Stone Hunting Point
Post by: skippy1 on August 23, 2011, 11:58:53 pm
Thanks for the key words to ebay, I just got a 3/4" and a 1" plastic rod. What size copper wire do you recomend for each one?
Title: Re: New Vids - Beginner 4 Part Series - Stone Hunting Point
Post by: Gus on August 24, 2011, 01:19:48 am
Dog Gone it...

Houston is just too far away from the knapping action...  :o

Although I used to hunt the Junction area...

-gus

Title: Re: New Vids - Beginner 4 Part Series - Stone Hunting Point
Post by: gstoneberg on August 24, 2011, 01:30:56 am
I just made a rod like Patricks and the largest solid copper wire I could buy was 4ga.  I drilled my hole in the rod too large for the wire.  To get it a little larger diameter I bought a hard copper 1/4" copper pipe  and soldered the 4ga wire inside it.  So far it's working well.  The other end has a #12 copper wire in it.

George
Title: Re: New Vids - Beginner 4 Part Series - Stone Hunting Point
Post by: skippy1 on August 24, 2011, 03:18:41 am
I'm not very good at knapping, but I'd be happy to meet up with anyone and sit down for a while. That way yall can teach me something about knapping lol 8)
Title: Re: New Vids - Beginner 4 Part Series - Stone Hunting Point
Post by: JackCrafty on August 24, 2011, 03:40:35 am
Skippy, I use 1/4" solid copper rod on one end of my 1" dia. percussion flaker.  The other sizes I use are wire sizes you can buy at the harware store.
Title: Re: New Vids - Beginner 4 Part Series - Stone Hunting Point
Post by: skippy1 on August 24, 2011, 04:20:22 am
Thanks JackCrafty, I'll go to the store tomorrow and see what I can find :D
Title: Re: New Vids - Beginner 4 Part Series - Stone Hunting Point
Post by: ordcorpdw on August 24, 2011, 01:41:26 pm
That was awesome!!! Thanks for sharing those videos.
Title: Re: New Vids - Beginner 4 Part Series - Stone Hunting Point
Post by: gstoneberg on August 24, 2011, 04:27:19 pm
Patrick, I watched the videos and in the middle of #3 I stopped it and went out and did some chipping myself.  Turned 2 spalls into gravel in short order.  Came in before I did any more damage and finished watching those last 2.  I guess I'll have to watch a few more times. ???  Knapping might be the most challenging hobby I've ever tried.  One of the most fun too. ;D

George
Title: Re: New Vids - Beginner 4 Part Series - Stone Hunting Point
Post by: Jimbob on August 24, 2011, 05:42:34 pm
  Knapping might be the most challenging hobby I've ever tried.  One of the most fun too. ;D

George
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I can agree with that.
Title: Re: New Vids - Beginner 4 Part Series - Stone Hunting Point
Post by: andy thomas on August 24, 2011, 06:29:56 pm
great video. you explained it so us idiots might be able to figure it out lol. thanks alot
Title: Re: New Vids - Beginner 4 Part Series - Stone Hunting Point
Post by: JackCrafty on August 24, 2011, 07:09:59 pm
George,

Yeah, it's challenging, that's for sure.

It's hard looking back (because I don't want to remember) but I had entire weeks where I could do nothing but break everything in half.  Sometimes it was at the beginning and sometimes it was just when I thought I was done.  When I was the most frustrated I would give up and make bone arrowheads instead.

Soon I would miss the stone and go back to knapping.  I'm not so sure I was missing the stone...I guess the best way to describe it is that I didn't want the stone to "defeat" me.  How can other guys make an arrowhead in 10 minutes on youtube and I couldn't do it in 10 hours???

The turning point came when two things happened:

1- I found the technique and materials that "worked".  I kept the tools, stones, and methods that worked well (for me) and put all the other stuff aside.  Eventually I got rid of all the "bad" stuff and de-brainwashed myself.

2- I stopped thinking too much and started letting my hands and eyes take over.  My brain gets irritated, frustrated, moody, ticked off, and just downright stupid.  My hands and eyes just get tired after a while.  That's it.

Oh yeah, I guess I should also put in a third thing:

3- I make sure that I take a knapp-nap before I go out back. ;D


Edit:   Bad habits will creep in when you're not thinking.  I guess I do make a strong mental effort to NOT do certain things...like hitting too hard when thinnng the base or tip.
Title: Re: New Vids - Beginner 4 Part Series - Stone Hunting Point
Post by: gstoneberg on August 24, 2011, 09:30:49 pm
Thanks Patrick.  One of the things I continue to do is crush an edge and then try again and make it worse.  I also don't hit hard enough, have the right angle, but make a bad step.  Need to knapp more, but it's about 110 in the shop, makes it hard to go out there.  Fall's a coming.  Thanks again for the videos and the help you've given me in person at the lease.  I might head back over there a week after next.

George
Title: Re: New Vids - Beginner 4 Part Series - Stone Hunting Point
Post by: JackCrafty on August 25, 2011, 01:41:22 am
Meet at the lease in two weeks?  OK.  I'll leave it open. :)
Title: Re: New Vids - Beginner 4 Part Series - Stone Hunting Point
Post by: gstoneberg on August 25, 2011, 02:12:56 am
I think Hugh is coming too, need to rebuild the gray blind.  I'm thinking the 10th?  The 3rd is Labor Day weekend.  Which were you thinking?

George
Title: Re: New Vids - Beginner 4 Part Series - Stone Hunting Point
Post by: skippy1 on August 25, 2011, 04:08:07 am
Hi Patrick, I went  to the hard ware store today and found some copper wire. I bought 2 ft of 4, 6, and 8 ga wire. I was wondering how deep you you drill the holes in the plastic? Sorry if Im being a pest, I just want to make sure I get it right :)
Ryan
Title: Re: New Vids - Beginner 4 Part Series - Stone Hunting Point
Post by: JackCrafty on August 25, 2011, 10:21:35 am
The holes are about an inch deep, maybe deeper.  It doesn't matter too much.  The tools are very low tech.  ;)
Title: Re: New Vids - Beginner 4 Part Series - Stone Hunting Point
Post by: gstoneberg on August 25, 2011, 10:57:50 am
On mine I just took the a wire somebody had already hardened and sent in a trade and held it up to the chuck on my drill press and set the depth to be a quarter inch less than that.  I bought new wire, but used old.  Worked out great.  I love your low-tech approach Patrick!  When you gonna shoot some video out at the primitive campsite?

George
Title: Re: New Vids - Beginner 4 Part Series - Stone Hunting Point
Post by: JackCrafty on August 25, 2011, 12:54:30 pm
Let's see...I guess we are going on the 10th, right?  I might go before that to work on the campsite.  I can film there right now but I would like to make a wikiup or lodge and have it in the background on some of the videos.  I think I'm also going to make some leggings and mocs so that you won't see anything modern in the videos.  ;D
Title: Re: New Vids - Beginner 4 Part Series - Stone Hunting Point
Post by: Gus on August 25, 2011, 03:49:41 pm
When you video your Primitive Camp site you aughta at least use an Ancient Super 8 film camera... just to make it look authentic...  >:D

Also, I use set screws to hold my coper in my pressure flaker handle, got the idea from Mr. Tower.
Just drill a hole that is a bit smaller than the set screw, into the handle, drop in your copper in the main hole and screw in the set screw.
Depth adjustment is easy once you have the set screw installed.

-gus
Title: Re: New Vids - Beginner 4 Part Series - Stone Hunting Point
Post by: bowtarist on August 25, 2011, 04:16:35 pm
AWESOME vids Man!!  Don't have a chance to get out right now, but when I get off work @ 10pm I'm going home and trying a few new techniques.  Thanks!!
Title: Re: New Vids - Beginner 4 Part Series - Stone Hunting Point
Post by: JackCrafty on August 25, 2011, 05:02:43 pm
Gus, what's scary is that I actually have a Super 8 vid camera from way back...(not using it, of course) ;)
Title: Re: New Vids - Beginner 4 Part Series - Stone Hunting Point
Post by: ordcorpdw on August 26, 2011, 03:18:05 am
Man after watching your videos I went and found myself a softer hammer stone that was rough. For the first time I was thinning rock rather than making rubble. Find the point!good stuff....I am actually getting something that looks like  a point! Excited!!!!!
Title: Re: New Vids - Beginner 4 Part Series - Stone Hunting Point
Post by: bowtarist on August 26, 2011, 11:45:21 am
Man after watching your videos I went and found myself a softer hammer stone that was rough. For the first time I was thinning rock rather than making rubble. Find the point!good stuff....I am actually getting something that looks like  a point! Excited!!!!!
Same here, "Find the point" really helped me.  I didn't come in until 12am this morning, couldn't stop flaking ridges off for the first time.  8)   Thanks again, dpgratz
Title: Re: New Vids - Beginner 4 Part Series - Stone Hunting Point
Post by: Cameroo on August 26, 2011, 03:18:57 pm
I think it's great that you are taking the time to make videos like this for us.  I've never attempted any knapping yet, basically due to not having a clue where to start.  Videos like this sure are inspiring.  Information like this usually has a price tag attached...  ::) 

Maybe I'll take the plunge one of these days - just what I need... another hobby!!
Title: Re: New Vids - Beginner 4 Part Series - Stone Hunting Point
Post by: JackCrafty on August 26, 2011, 03:41:14 pm
Awesome!  I'm glad "find the point" is working for you guys. ;D

Cameroo, forget the other hobbies and take the plunge!