Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Kviljo on July 10, 2007, 08:17:10 pm
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I just finished my new osage Holmegård. It's about the height of a stone age man, and draws about 60-70-80#, with a optional drawlenght up to 32" or so. It's madly overbuilt! But this Osage is really great stuff! Awesome colour and great to work with! Full-draws will perhaps come some time in the future.
(http://kviljo.no/bue/osage/1.jpg)
(http://kviljo.no/bue/osage/2.jpg)
(http://kviljo.no/bue/osage/3.jpg)
(http://kviljo.no/bue/osage/4.jpg)
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Looks sleek and deadly to me. ;D
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Very sleek looking. How tall were the stone aged folks that used these bows? ::) What's the length?
Don't you just love osage. It is my favorite. In a few months it will be a nice golden brown. Nice bow. Looking forward to full draw. Pat
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I love the nice clean lines of a simple selfbow. All the stuff that can be added is cool, but I love to see the wood working. It leaves no doubt about the power of wood. I sure would like to see more pictures. Justin
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That looks really nice Kviljo!love the colour of it :P
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Very nice,love to see it at a full 32.How long is it? :)
Pappy
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Great looking weapon. Looks like you've got a good source of cherry bark there, too :)
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I'm afraid it's a birch tree :)
I think it's about 67" ntn.
Don't think I will draw it to 32" yet. I'll keep an eye on it's stringfollow when I do at least. The stave had 1.5" reflex, and is pretty straight now, so I guess it will gain some stringfollow if I draw it the extra 2". But according to Badgers mass formula it shold last beyond 32". :)
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Hill Billy, I thought it was cherry also at first look.
I wouldn't ever draw it more then maybe 1" past your drawlength just for a sense of comfort. No need to place extra set if you don't have to. :)
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Quite the stick bow. How about slapping on a string and cranking it back and share the Full Draw image with us?
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Very nice, looks smooth, I want to make a Holgaard one of these days....I've got the wood, now I've just got to get down to it.
Sean
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From what I can tell from here, that's about the cleanest bodock I've ever seen. Would love to see the thickness/width transition on the outer limb, and the tiller. That's usually the Achilles heal of a homey. Slickern snot for sure.
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That's a fine looking weapon. I sure would love to see a braced and full-draw picture.
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Thanks folks ;D
A fulldraw will appear suddenly, but perhaps not within the first days :)
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Kvillo, just having the weight in the wood won't neccessarily mean you cna draw it 32", the placement of the mass and the tiller are critical. Steve
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Of course not :) But I think I have distributed the stress as evenly as I possibly can, with just a hint of bend in the outer narrower limbs.
Tillering is sooo easy with board-bows, but these stave-bows tend to give me some food for thought. But I think I have setteled down with the tiller it has got now.
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Kvillo, one thing I do and more is explained in the book, but if outer limbs are tiffer than normal as i might do in a holmgarde I would assign a slightly larger number for draw length, maybe 2" over actual, and if mid limb is bending more than usual I would assign a slighlty larger number to stiff handle area, maybe 2" more than actual. This will allow you some extra mass that you need on this design. Steve
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Looks very good so far. Jawge
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Ahh, I see. Maybe it's not that heavy after all. Good to hear!
You will have a chapter on the formula in TBB4?
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Suddenly and more quickly than I had expected. Here they are:
(http://kviljo.no/bue/osage/a.jpg)
(http://kviljo.no/bue/osage/b.jpg)
Here's the section where is goes from wide to narrow:
(http://kviljo.no/bue/osage/c.jpg)
And a fulldraw.
(http://kviljo.no/bue/osage/d.jpg)
Oh, and there's also my yew bow that I will make in 40 years time or so ;D
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You got a good bend all the way through the limbs although looks like the top limb is a bit stiff. That could be the camera angle. That is an exceptionally clean piece of osage. We don't find much like that here in the US. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that yew tree to grow. Maybe your great grand kids will enjoy it. ;D Beautiful bow!
There ought to be some good shoots in that pink rose besides you for arrows! Pat
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Looks like a fine bow :)
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Nice bow. Clean hedge. Technically not quite a homey.
There was an article in the archives at the old site by a lady who made a nice whitewood holmegaard. Been some time ago. Was well written and a nice bow as well. Interesting design, I want to say the one example from antiquity was actually a backwards bow, ie. outer growth ring on the belly. Wide, parallel inner working limb, stiff, narrow outer limb with abrupt transition about midlimb or slightly beyond. The transition has always been the vexing aspect of the design for me. Most examples I've seen I considered too generous in the thickness on the outer limb and too stiff in the transition. Most short, fast flatbows have an aspect of the homey design so in a way it is widely practiced.
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Humm, I would have to disagree. :) What is the reason to think that they were "backward"-bows?
Also, take a look at e.g. Gad Rausings "The bow" (1967), or Jurgen Junkmanns "Pfeil und bogen"(2001). Both have drawings, and the latter a picture of one of the Holmegårds. They vary from almost none to quite abrupt narrowing at approx. midlimb. Yep, there's about 24 more or less complete Holmegårds from Denmark, plus at least one from Sweden, according to Junkmanns.
I'd love to read that article by the way! Does it exist on the net somewhere still?
I took several fulldraw-pics, and the tiller looked slightly differen on all of them, but I think I would agree that it bends a little more on the lower limb. It might be me not holding the bow exactly 90 degrees to the camera, or I might be drawing a bit high on the string. Perhaps both, but it might as well just be that it is bending a little much on the lower limb. Anyway, I'll just have to try to forget it, or prepare for giving it 10 coatings of danish oil again ::)
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Oh, forgot about the shoots! I've never thought of that before. It grows like mad, and theres lots of straight ones "inside" it - got to try that!
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Very nice bow. Congratulations. Enjoy. Jawge
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nice bow tiller looks pretty darn good to me. Looks like the stave has some prop twist, could be making the top limb look stronger. :)
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Good Looking bow. Prettiest piece of Osage I ever saw
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Kviljo,
"Humm, I would have to disagree. :) What is the reason to think that they were "backward"-bows?"
I could easily be wrong. And please don't consider my comments critcism. I'll have to look around and see where I got the idea of the backward bow.
"Also, take a look at e.g. Gad Rausings "The bow" (1967), or Jurgen Junkmanns "Pfeil und bogen"(2001). Both have drawings, and the latter a picture of one of the Holmegårds. They vary from almost none to quite abrupt narrowing at approx. midlimb. Yep, there's about 24 more or less complete Holmegårds from Denmark, plus at least one from Sweden, according to Junkmanns."
Again I'd defer to your knowledge. I think my mistake was assume the archtypical design with an abrupt transition was the only example.
"I'd love to read that article by the way! Does it exist on the net somewhere still?"
I don't see a section on this site with a link to the archive of old published articles. They may have discontinued that practice. But I know I had the magazine it was in. If I can find it I'll send it to you. I'll look around this weekend. I think I've kept all my old PAs.
Again, it's a great bow, and evidently very much a Holmegard.
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That is perhaps one of the best looking bows I've seen posted, nice tiller and the clean simple lines truly appeal to me.
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I know there has been some confusion about the way some stone age bows were drawn. I haven't found solid evidence of either, but my own feeling is that they too must have seen the huge strength and security in having a single growthring on the back of an elm bow.
But if there is some arguments for backward bows, I'm really really interested in hearing about it.
It would be super if you found the magazine, but dont spend too much time looking :)
I wouldn't call it a Holmegård replica - it's way too yellow for that, and of course I haven't used measurements from an original artefact, but I assume the Ertebølle-people would recognize it as a "normal bow", hehe ;)
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Glad to see that osage as premium as this one is was made into a bow by a bowyer with real skills that you obviously have. Got you bookmarked for July Self Bow of the Month, too.
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Kviljo,
I looked and did not find the PA issue w/ the Holmegaard article. I may have giving it away, as I found issues back to 2001, but I know I subscribed before that.
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David, Was that the article by Hillary Green(something). The only female in the MRT. Pat
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Yes Pat, I believe so. I know it was a lady, and Hillary sounds familiar. I want to say it was a cherry bow perhaps. Interesting article. I recall a good tiller profile picture. Wish I could find it. I think it was posted online at one time.
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The article might have been by Hilary Greenland, the author of 'The Traditional Archers Handbook'. I remember reading her PA article about her holmegard online. But I can't find it at the moment.
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Well, I found it. ;D July 2000, Volume 8, issue 3. "A Bowmaker's Tribute To The ENGLISH ELM. By Hillary Greenland. Pat
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Great! I'll have to order that one :)
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Duh. I've always been interested in elm bows.
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This lady runs the Society for the Promotion of Traditional Archery in the UK (I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post the link). Anyway, she's the British equivalent of you guys.
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There's a link to this site on her site.
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Thanks Simon. ;) That will be easy enough to google. Besides advertisers, other sites are not allowed to be posted. A little inconvenient sometimes but thats the rules. ;D Pat
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Kviljo, I just saw the full draw pictures. The bow looks great. I am particularly fond of the holmegard style. Justin
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Thanks :)
I shot it for distance this evening. With the second arrow from the bottom, it reached 265 meters, with help from a light breeze. And with the longest arrow, it did just over 200 meters. I'm happy ;D
(http://kviljo.no/bue/265.jpg)
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Great performance :) it's true what they say about holmegards then. How heavy is the longest arrow?
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Beautiful bow. Love those lines and grain in that piece of wood is something to see.
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A real beauty you got there!
I Can´t wait to get my hands on some osage :)