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Title: Rawhide backed ash recurve... UPDATE...
Post by: medicinewheel on October 30, 2011, 04:41:05 pm
After 25 years of absence an old flame of mine reoccurred in my life, and she got hooked to archery quickly. Decided to make a nicely decorated rawhide backed ash recurve for her, 67"ntn, 30#@26", 12 strand FF string with beaver fur silencers, overlays are water buffalo, grip is walnut died buckskin. Bow is names OLD FLAME, and it was the first I made in almost a year.
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Post by: medicinewheel on October 30, 2011, 04:45:24 pm
India ink and acrylic was used for the painting.
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Post by: jeffhalfrack on October 30, 2011, 05:12:10 pm
   Wow!!!!  what  a  beauty,,,,real  nice!!!!  there  was  a  bow  in that pic  ??? ;D   good  for  the  three of  you JEFFW  (I do like the bow)
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Post by: Pat B on October 30, 2011, 05:13:32 pm
Obviously you didn't forget anything about bow making in your one year lapse.  She's a real beauty...and the original "Old Flame" ain't so bad either!  ;)  The decorations on the rawhide backing are quite stunning. Very nicely done!  8)
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Post by: Dazv on October 30, 2011, 05:19:13 pm
That bow is great!!!!
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Post by: ErictheViking on October 30, 2011, 07:12:10 pm
Great bow. Paint is awesome and the curves look sweet.
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Post by: Jesse on October 30, 2011, 08:15:08 pm
Great!!! job frank. Nice to see another of your bows. You didn't let us down.
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Post by: johnston on October 30, 2011, 10:10:50 pm
Frank you still have the touch. After reading the intro I had planned to chide you for leaving out
a pic of the lady but you showed pure class in that regard.

Art work is awesome.

Lane
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Post by: soy on October 31, 2011, 01:23:01 am
Very nice work!!! Also it must be nice to have a flame to shoot with :D keep up the good work
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Post by: medicinewheel on October 31, 2011, 04:29:48 am
 :D :D :D

Thanx everybody for the kind replies!
Was a lot of fun starting over with bow building again!
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Post by: bubby on October 31, 2011, 05:02:24 am
sweet bow, there's nothing not to like about it, Bub
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Post by: Josh on October 31, 2011, 11:58:18 am
Very nice bow, Frank.. I was wondering when you were going to build one again.  :) Tiller and finish work look great!  Congrats on the reunion with your old flame!  :)
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Post by: Del the cat on October 31, 2011, 01:45:14 pm
Real pretty bow, and we all love a lady who can draw a bow like that.
Del
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Post by: coaster500 on October 31, 2011, 01:51:17 pm
Great bow and gift....  best better stay on her good side now though :)

Very nice!!!
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Post by: TurtleCreek on October 31, 2011, 03:17:18 pm
  Sweet looking bow!  Did you do any heat treating to it?
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Post by: medicinewheel on October 31, 2011, 07:03:09 pm
Thanks again to all of you!

@Turtle: the belly was tempered, but the bow gained to much weight, plus the tiller bounced twice. So, not much of the tempering is left. The recurves are done with dry heat, also I forced a bit of setback into the fades, which really gives the bow a nice profile!

Btw. the rings are small but the wood is really uniform, so I'm pleased with the way the bow turned out.
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Post by: Prarie Bowyer on November 01, 2011, 03:01:14 am
Did you back those bends when you did it?  I'd love to learn more about that process.
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Post by: Prarie Bowyer on November 01, 2011, 03:11:52 am
You think a bow like that can be made from hard maple?  I've been hankering to make a recurve but a little afraid of the bending process.

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Post by: medicinewheel on November 01, 2011, 05:11:15 am
No, the bends were not backed in the progress and are not backed on the finished bow. I've steambend recurves to hard maple, and that worked well, too.
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Post by: TurtleCreek on November 01, 2011, 05:23:24 am
  I love it, great job.
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Post by: swamp yeti on November 01, 2011, 10:14:00 am
That is one nice bow Frank ,good job.
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Post by: Pappy on November 01, 2011, 10:32:20 am
Beautiful bow Frank,very nice work. :)
   Pappy
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Post by: Parnell on November 01, 2011, 02:31:54 pm
Very pretty.  Nice to see one of your bows again.
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Post by: druid on November 01, 2011, 02:41:23 pm
Very good bow!
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Post by: medicinewheel on November 01, 2011, 07:00:20 pm
Again: thanks a lot to all of you!
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Post by: hammertime on November 01, 2011, 11:38:52 pm
Nice,very nice--really like the profile and sweet paint job!ok whos the better shot you or the lady?-Hammertime
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Post by: adb on November 01, 2011, 11:49:46 pm
A very nice bow! I love the art work, it's stunning. Something special for an old flame!
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Post by: ken75 on November 02, 2011, 01:28:20 am
you havent lost your touch Frank , nice bow
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Post by: medicinewheel on November 03, 2011, 01:29:15 pm
Glad you all like it, thanks guys!
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Post by: medicinewheel on June 16, 2012, 05:22:59 am
Update... well upGRADE rather...:
Sabine shot this bow for a while but soon grew out of it's draw weight and picked up a 40# pyramid. Yesterday she began shooting my old bamboo-backed Osage and she shot it an hour in the morning and one in the afternoon; it's a bit less than 50# at her draw length and I only noticed a fatigue in her stance at the very end of the shooting.
Should have seen her jumping up and down hard over the extra punch! - Loved it...
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Post by: lesken2011 on June 16, 2012, 10:02:24 am
Very nice piece of work, Frank. A lot of character in that bow, especially the artwork.
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Post by: Sidewinder on June 16, 2012, 10:14:52 am
The bow is absolutely stunning to say the least. Good for you on the rekindling of past loves as well.   Danny
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Post by: coaster500 on June 16, 2012, 11:27:28 am
She's got great form and strength!!!

That's getting up there in weight....  does she want to hunt? 

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Post by: Carson (CMB) on June 16, 2012, 03:13:57 pm
She's got great form and strength!!!

That's getting up there in weight....  does she want to hunt? 



She looks like a killer to me!  That ash bow is/was beautiful.  I have a similar ash recurve in the works and might follow your example on dolling it up.  Looks great!
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Post by: Gordon on June 16, 2012, 04:43:39 pm
Dang Frank - that bow is stunning! And your lady friend is pretty nice too  ;D
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Post by: bubby on June 16, 2012, 04:48:59 pm
i know men that cant shoot a 50# bow, if i was you i'd try and keep her happy, shure wouldn't want her pissed at me ;D, Bub
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Post by: medicinewheel on June 16, 2012, 08:55:49 pm
She told me shoulders felt bit sore today ;-) ...and yes she is not only strong but a strong character. Sure feel honored to know her...
Thanks for the compliments on the ash bow, too!
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Post by: medicinewheel on April 07, 2013, 04:15:12 pm
Gentlemen, this is getting frightening:
After two hours of shooting 3-D in the garden this afternoon, my old flame picked up my Osage bow of 60some lbs. at 29.5" draw. She managed to pull it to her 26.5" draw length some twenty times as if it was her regular draw weight. Must be around 55# at that pull. This is less than 2 years after she started shooting on that ash recurve.
I was impressed.
And she jumped up and down real hard...  8) 8) 8)
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Post by: adb on April 07, 2013, 04:21:00 pm
If it's 60#@29.5, then it's probably around 45#@26.5. It's usually 3-5# per inch of draw. I find most of my bows are closer to 5# per inch, especially the heavier draw weight bows.
Still impressive, however, for someone who hasn't shot a bow in a while.
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Post by: medicinewheel on April 07, 2013, 05:01:27 pm
43#@26.5" is her regular draw weight, that is on my old BBO flatbow which is 52#@29,5". This one here is 10" heavier and has a nice early draw weight due to the recurves I guess. Well, next time the bow is braced I'll put it on the scale.
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Post by: Marc St Louis on April 07, 2013, 06:23:27 pm
If it's 60#@29.5, then it's probably around 45#@26.5. It's usually 3-5# per inch of draw. I find most of my bows are closer to 5# per inch, especially the heavier draw weight bows.

I don't think so Adam, more like low 50's @ 26.5
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Post by: CaptainBeaky on April 07, 2013, 07:22:49 pm
Some lovely bows there, MW.

Sounds like your old flame is going to be keeping in bow-making tasks for a while, just to keep up with her  8)

Good form, even on the 50lb'er  :)
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Post by: nathan elliot on April 07, 2013, 08:41:35 pm
Great bow Frank and a good story too. I'm waiting for the thread "women with warbows" its going to happen one day! Thanks for posting.
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Post by: medicinewheel on April 09, 2013, 04:58:59 am
If it's 60#@29.5, then it's probably around 45#@26.5. It's usually 3-5# per inch of draw. I find most of my bows are closer to 5# per inch, especially the heavier draw weight bows.

I don't think so Adam, more like low 50's @ 26.5

Hand-scaled it 52/53#@26.5". Might be 51/52# on the tiller tree which probably is the truth.

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Post by: adb on April 09, 2013, 12:20:34 pm
So it's moving about 3 pounds per inch. Near final draw, most of my heavier bows are a bit more... like I mentioned, closer to 5#/". That's mostly with osage or yew. Interesting.
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Post by: lostarrow on April 09, 2013, 07:03:06 pm
Likely because you are closer to your limit with your designs (Pushing the limit of draw length) that you've tested. Just speculation of course. Mine seem to be closer to 3 as well.  This is interresting indeed. Don't you usually make longbows,adb?  Arc of the cicrle tiller?  Recurves will likely make a difference. All of my bows have stiff tips for the last 6" or so (modified "molly"esque designs)