Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Primitive Skills => Topic started by: agd68 on November 17, 2011, 04:21:52 pm
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Anyone make fish glue ? How do you do it ?
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I believe it is made by boiling fish air bladders.
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Sturgeon fish bladders are the best. James Parker told me that not all fish bladders make glue.
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Just finished reading Dr. Karpowicz book Ottoman Turkish Bows.
In it he lists several desirable fish and methods for rendering glue.
He notes that glue made from Sturgeon Bladders is Excellent.
Catfish, Gillbacker, and Croaker bladders all make good glue.
Carp bladders are too Greasy.
The Palate skins of Sturgeon were also used to make glue.
Almost any Large fish is worth trying.
-gus
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I wonder about those great big ones in Grouper?
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They are protected! ;) The best ones are about 5# to 10#. I don't know about glue but they sure taste good! ;D
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Yes Sir,
I know the Goliath Grouper is protected.
But here in Tejas you can still take Gag and some of the other species...
Should be worth a try.
And Grouper Pounding time in State waters is fast approaching as they come in close with cold weather.
Man, I have discarded SO much materials over the years... :-[
Now I know better.
Looks like some of the bowyers of old would use a mixture of Hide/Tendon Glue with some Fish Glue mixed in.
Very interesting stuff, and quite amazing what they accomplished with these glues.
I find it very interesting also, that he listed Croaker Bladders as good.
Got to get out on the water after some Golden Croaker!!! :)
Good for the glue and Great for the Fryer!
-gus
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You beat me to it, Gus. Grouper must be protected in North Carolina, as they should ;D 8)
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:)
Would love to fish the Atlantic some day...
If I can swing it, I'd like to try bladders from big Red Snapper as well.
-gus
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Fish bladders have been used for centuries to make isinglass and glue. But the skin can also be used to make glue. Cod was used in the past as a substitute for sturgeon. I believe carp can be used as well. Carp were commonly raised by monks in monasteries back in the day, and I'm sure some of the carps' parts were used for glues, paints, and finings for beer.
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Whew...
When in Rome... do as the Romans.
But I think I'd skip the Carp Beer... unless that were the only game in town. :)
-gus
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I've had homemade beer that tasted like carp! ;D
Can you make glue from mullet air bladders? ::)
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I hear ya Sir...
Brewed a Carp flavored beer once, the fact that I never added fish to the fermenter not withstanding.
Don't they have mullet on the menu in the Southeast?
:)
-gus
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Deep fried or smoked mullet is to die for! 8) I spent a month each summer at my Grandparents cottage on Pensacola Bay and grew up in Savannah. You better believe I like mullet...and Mullet! ;)
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You guys are too funny. Carp ain't that bad....to me anyway. Skunky beer, now that's nasty.
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I'm told that the kind of mullet we have here in the Western Gulf is not the same as is found on the East side.
As far as fish bladders go I'd like to try making glue out of Amberjack bladders.
If tenacity alone were any indication, AJ bladders should make a strong glue...
:)
-gus
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Bladders...heck I'd like to have the fliets out of a couple amberjack!!! We caught some off Panama years ago and it was the best fish I ever ate.
George
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Yes Sir George.
Amberjack is one of my favorite all round fish for fight and table.
It is hard to beat on the grill in my opinion.
Close second would be African Pompano.
:)
-gus
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Pat, I was born in Pensacola and my Mother's family were oyster and mullet fisherman. My Grandfather built all of his boats. Pat I picked up 10# of mullet fillets form my brother in Jaxsonville on the way home.
Gus, I really like Cobia and Snook, Now that is yummy. The mullet that come down the Atlantic coast in the Winter are a lot bigger then the ones we have in the Gulf. They are also bright silver.
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You guys are too funny. Carp ain't that bad....to me anyway. Skunky beer, now that's nasty.
Would that be Billy Beer? :P;D ;)
Wayne
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Amber Jack is excellent smoked also! Snook, and snappers, Red, Hog, lane, vermillion, etc. Yep, Silver, and black mullet. They taste quite yummy! My Cousin and I went fishing once, and caught a bunch of finger mullet for bait, and we caught absolutely nothing. So I told him to just take them on home and freeze them, and we'd use them for bait later. He said to heck with that, he was hungry for fish, and told me to hang around for awhile, and he would cook them. I said not much to cook. He said, not on each one, but there are a whole lot of them. So we started to filet them, well we actually scaled them, and then just sliced off the sides, and , and drug them them through a 50/50 mix of corn meal, and flour, and cajun season, garlic powder, onion powder, and salt and pepper, and then deep fried them, and man, talk about good! A little squeeze of fresh lime juice, and it just doesn't get much better! 8) ;) I don't put the mullet I have left over, in the future bait category anymore, unless they have been out awhile. ;) Dang, now I am hungry again. Gonna have to slip over to Mullet's and mooch another meal, and beer, under the clever guise of trying to learn to knapp. ;D I am going to make two arrows for my Buddy's Brother's Boss, who has prostate cancer and is into primitive stuff, and artifacts. I want to make one normal, and one all paleo, with a Cherokee two fletch, they both will be cane arrows with Obsidian heads, so I will need his guidance.......and something to eat and drink.......probably....... ::) I guess I could stop and get some beer.....
Or maybe spring for lunch at the Mexican Resturaunt, and get my Chile Verde'. Now that is GOOD also! ;) Dang, now I am going to have to have a beer, and get the sharp cheddar, and pepperoni out now. Even though, I had baby back ribs, and Cajun garlic shrimp for lunch, and then after going to the Circus with some friends, we went to a sports bar, and had wings, and "a" beer, and then an unsweetened iced tea with lime......and I have left overs that my Friends couldn't finish, in the refrigerator, I think a light snack of cheese and no nitrates pepperoni slices, and a nice cold Miller light will do nicely, before I go to bed and read for awhile. Dang, that is what I am going to have to do then. Hey how about no more food talk after ten? :P
Wayne
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Don't feed 'em after midnight and for heavens sake done get 'em wet! :)
Then I probably shouldn't agree with Pat that I love Cobia TOO!!! >:D
And would love to try Snook some day...
-gus
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Ok fellas, so I'm a Michigan boy. Grouper-not available, sturgeon-protected, and what the heck is croaker ??? In these parts all those are good for is frog legs ;) I do have some small pieces of dried sinew. Will that make a decent glue for sinew backing a bow? And how's it done? My understanding is just boil it in some water, but is there a water to sinew ratio that makes for the best glue?
Tattoo Dave
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Dave, I believe Keenan just throws sinew scraps in a crock pot with water over night, strains it and he has glue. I would think sinew glue would work great for glueing down sinew.
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I'd hate to waste the sinew. I think I'd use knox gelatin and just throw scraps of sinew and rawhide in it.
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I've got some small pieces about 4-5" long, not processed. I was thinking about using that. I'll let you all know how it turns out.
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It's mullet time down here,smoked up a bunch for Thanksgiving.I bring a gallon of my mullet dip so everyone can take some home.After smoking a bunch of mullet my smoker is black from fish fat off the skins and smoke.Maybee I'll scape some off and see if I could use it to glue a point on a shaft. It would be hard to loose an arrow with that smell on it :o
Bone pile
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Ya got my mouth watering, Roger. ;)
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I agree with Eddie,Knox and a rawhide dog chew. COOK OUT SIDE! But makes good glue.
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I've got some small pieces about 4-5" long, not processed. I was thinking about using that. I'll let you all know how it turns out.
I put some 3" lengths of sinew on a bow night before last. No sinew goes to waste in my shop, too hard to pound. I might have to try cooking the knox gelatin with rawhide scraps in it. Of course, it is easy to order the dried glue and mix it up.
George