Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Ranger B on November 23, 2011, 08:03:15 am
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This bow was made from a piece of the osage Gary Davis cut off Denny Sturgis's farm when he made his selfbow video. I've been wanting a piece of that wood to make a bow to shoot 3D with. I wanted a pretty straight piece. This bow had 40 years of growth on top of the ring that became the back of the bow. The bow is 66" NTN and 40# @ 27" I cut it to 1/4" out of center with strike plate. The tip overlays are Burmese Red Wood. I am shooting a 10 strand D-10 string. I have worked hard to make this bow perform and she is shooting great. I am shooting 50-55# spined, full length, POC barrelled shafts and the feathers and bare shafts shoot right in there together. I named it Artemis which was the Greek God of the hunt.
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Beautiful bow Jimmy,good looking deer also. Nice job on both. :) :)
Pappy
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Yea, that handle was about too pretty to put a wrap on. Great deer too.
George
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Well done as always Jimmy.
Lane
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What kind of penetration did you get Ranger? Thats a nice deer and sweet tiller job on your bow.
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jimmy great looking bow it just gose to show that you dont need a 60lb bow to take a deer. Do you not need to camo the bow in any way???
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Nicely done and congratulations on the beautiful buck.
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Great looking bow and buck. Congrats on both.
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Handsome bow... looks like dinner is sorted too.
Del
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Man, that bow looks like it has zero set. Very well done on the tiller. Congrats on the buck as well. Danny
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Beautiful bow Ranger and deer. have to agree with George, too pretty for a leather handle
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Stellar Bow and Buck!!!
I'm curious also about the penetration you got?
Great job :)
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Thanks guys. I've had the bow strung for up to 4 hours at a time and I've shot over 1,000 arrows through it now and when you unstring it it snaps right back straight. The string has never been above the handle after unstringing. It's a great piece of wood.
I've killed 6 deer this year and 5 last year with 43# or under. I shot through 4 or 5 of them. On this buck my BH lodged in the far side and remained in the deer. I've never hunted with heavy bows. We (the Twin Oaks Crew) have a buddy that hunts with a 38# osage and he generally kills 6-8 deer per season. A good sharp broadhead in the vitals and they won't go far.
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Thanks guys. I've had the bow strung for up to 4 hours at a time and I've shot over 1,000 arrows through it now and when you unstring it it snaps right back straight. The string has never been above the handle after unstringing. It's a great piece of wood.
I've killed 6 deer this year and 5 last year with 43# or under. I shot through 4 or 5 of them. On this buck my BH lodged in the far side and remained in the deer. I've never hunted with heavy bows. We (the Twin Oaks Crew) have a buddy that hunts with a 38# osage and he generally kills 6-8 deer per season. A good sharp broadhead in the vitals and they won't go far.
wow now they are some light bows whats the lightest bow you have hunted with???
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I have a 38# osage that I have killed dozens of squirrels with but the lightest bow I deer hunt with is 40# because that is the law here in TN. Ron LeClair's wife hunts with 35# I think and she's killed quite a few deer. I have killed at least 20 deer with under 45#.
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Man I really like that bow... Great job... One question though... Have you ever had a problem with the high performance string cutting through the tips?
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No. I have only tried it with tip overlays but I know Gary Davis is shooting an osage with no tip overlays and a no stretch string and has no problems. Gary is also shooting much heavier weight. Pappy can also talk to this. He knows a lot of others that have been doing it for a while and he has gone to these strings as well. I've shot D-10 and TS-1 with no issues.
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That is a really light bow. 35lbs What do you think the lightest self bow is that could take a deer? also what do you think the lightest sinew backed bow could be??? (i know it all depends on how the bow is made etc) what would your rough guess be??? thanks so much.
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You're question is technically a bit more complicated than it appears on the surface. While a 40# bow is a 40# bow is a 40# bow, not all 40# bows perform alike. There are countless variables in laminate bows much less selfbows that affect speed and penetration, but here is what I would tell you.
I saw a study that said it takes 7# of pressure to penetrate the body cavity of a whitetail deer so if you took a sharp blade and put it between ribs then applied 7# of pressure then you would penetrate the body. So now you have to account for ribs, shoulder, organs and do you want an exit wound? I know that a lot of deer have been killed with 30 - 35# bows. If you hit them right it will do the job, but what I do not know the answer to is how many ran off wounded. Truthfully, our community has a hard enough time just getting the arrow in the vitals much less using a bow that requires precise arrow placement. Now, I hope a bunch of folks don't get offended by that statement, but I'm being honest. I'm simply a realist and I've shot with a lot of people. So to answer the question how light? Well....very light...if everything is perfect, but there are compromises.
Speed also reduces deer reaction time. If you keep the shots at 10 yards then it's not a big deal but a deer at 15 - 25 yards can move significantly if they hear the bow. A 35# selfbow with a light arrow might get you in the 140s (FPS). The light arrow with then reduce your penetration. A slow fast arrow hits like a hammer and drives deep, but you have to keep the shots close. Yes, I've seen the studies that show fast light arrows penetrating deep. This is an endless debate but I will tell you that the deer I've shot with moderate to heavy arrows get penetrated deeper. I think 9 - 11 gpp is optimal for speed and weight.
Now, performance depends on a lot of things. I have a 38# Osage bow and a 40# hackberry bow. The 38# osage is lighter in gross weight at a given draw length but shoots faster. The speed is in the woods cast or speed at which the limbs return from anchor to brace. This is where high performance strings can help you a bit if the wood can handle it, but keep in mind that the minimal stretch string will perform better on better quality wood. You get more energy into the arrow. So if you have a good sinew backed bow it could increase cast but it will increase weight. Sinew gives you the elasticity which in effect pulls the limbs back forward but it creates resistance which makes the bow higher in weight. A key advantage to sinew is that it can effectively eliminate the stress to the wood.
When you draw a bow you compress the belly and stretch the back. If this is a true statement, and we know it is, then there is a point in the wood that is neutral. It is neither being compressed nor stretched. When you put sinew on the bow you move that neutral point out towards the back of the bow. Ultimately, you can take the stress off the wood and put it on the sinew which is tremendously strong. That is perhaps the best benefit of the sinew.
Okay, I've rambled on and on. The bottom line is that in archery everything is a compromise. You never optimize everything. You trade speed for weight and cast for comfort. The key is finding what optimizes the most for your particular situation. I know I didn't directly answer your question but as I said in the beginning - it's complicated.
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... A slow fast arrow hits like a hammer and drives deep ...
I'm pretty sure you mean slow heavy arrow, but I sure got tickled with that. ;D ;D ;D I've had lots of slow arrows, but not a slow fast one. ;)
You won't get any argument from me about slow and heavy getting more penetration. I've only killed a few deer with self bows, but many many deer with glass recurves and longbows. Heavy is better.
Good discussion.
George
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that all makes sense, 7# is not much at all.
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sorry - yes, slow heavy, fast light.
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Beautiful bow Jimmy. The tiller is as good as it gets. Very nice buck also. I guess the proof is in the pudding! ;)
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Beautiful bow and a really nice buck
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Imho you should have named it AWSOME ...another sweet looking stick ...my most sincere complements ;) btw how many deer are u able to get? Sounds like a good season :laugh:
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Lovely looking bow.
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We can kill three bucks in a season and 3 does per day all year.