Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: blackhawk on December 01, 2011, 08:49:33 pm
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I was gifted this hackberry stave(now bow) back in august from pearl drums(chris) when I was up in michigan at the Elm Hall shoot(its a goodun),and in return I left him a lil surprise in his tent ;)...n that's just between him n I ;) :laugh:
Over thanksgiving weekend I took her off the rack and got it prepped out for tillering on Saturday where I went to my buddy Jons(straightarrow) house and hung out with him and Bill(hickorybil),and we worked on bows all day. By one o'clock I had mine spitting arrows >:D
and this is what became of her...
A fast screaming 62"ntn hackberry,60lbs@25",2" wide at fades and tapers to eiffel tower tips. 19 ounces mass. Its not one of my better finish jobs and just plain jane,but where she lacks in beauty she makes up for in performance...so don't let her boring looks fool ya ;)
(http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x436/blackhawk28/2011-12-01_16-59-45_380.jpg)
(http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x436/blackhawk28/2011-12-01_14-48-05_179.jpg)
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(http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x436/blackhawk28/120111165327.jpg)
Thanks for looking...Chris :)
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Now that's a nice hackberry bow. The stain job really brings out the grain on the belly. Great job on that one.
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the beauty is in the simplicity, really like the back and the stain job, reminds me of a Van Zant song "plain jain, she drives me insane", cool bow, Bub
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Looks awesome, nice work Chris!!
Tattoo Dave
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Love it! Great looking bow. Very nice tiller, Congratulations.
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that is sweet...great tiller....i love the coloring on the bow...john
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She really turned out great Chris! Your really banging them out..... like everyone else said.... the grain really stands out.. fantastic job.. you nailed the tiller!
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8) ;)
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What a beaut! I love the looks of that front profile, but have yet to try one like that. I think that's probably one of the best layout options there is - keeps the tips nice and light, and the levers they create pack more of a punch.
As others have said, the beauty is in it's simplicity. Love it!
Cam
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When I grow up I wanna be blackhawk :)
What a great profile.... I bet it screams!!!!
PS... "Its not one of my better finish jobs and just plain jane" ????? I see nothing wrong with the ways that bow looks !!!
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Very, very nice, sweet tiller.
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Nice straight standing bow, Chris! Also noticed the star....
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Im flattered! It turned out sweet Chris. I will get ya another stave when you come up in January, a man cant have just one mongolian tulip bow!
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Very nice simple bow with great tiller. I usually don't stain whitewoods but I love the looks of this bow for hunting.
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very cool bow. I prefer the seemingly simple bows.
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super nice bow :o
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Thanks osage outlaw...no worries on bringing me a log at the classic..it sounds like Chris is gonna hook me up with another one ;)
Thanks bubby...rock on brother ;)
Thanks dave.. :)
Thanks Keenan...your still one of my inspirational heroes ;D
Thanks blacktail...yeah I love that colored grain on the belly :)
Thanks Jon(straightarrow)my friend and brother of the bow..now let's see yours buddy ;)
Back at ya soy 8) ;)
Thanks cameroo...please do try this design...you'll love it :D
Thanks coaster...when you grow up just be you brother...cus there's no one else like you 8)
Thanks mullet :)
Thanks matt(mwirwicki)..hope I get to see you and hang out in january when I come up to martys
Thanks my friend Chris(pearl drums)...heck yeah ill take another piece of that mongolian tulip wood ;D
Thanks pat...I dyed it..I like dyes better than stains..stains tend to muck up and cover the grain where as dye highlights much better
Thanks eric...simple is good :)
Thanks baresfaft...I have to agree :D
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Hey Chris another nice bow!
Sorry I couldn't comment a little sooner. But my comp. seems to have given up, it wont even start up now. So I have to get on at work during breaks !
Take care my friend and I hope to see ya soon!
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Thanks Guy...no prob...im sure we'll see each other again in the near future ;)
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COOL! nice bow. I like the way the back of this bow looks. Nice tiller. Hope this bow shoots a long time for you :)
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Sweet dye and finish job. Looks great and sounds like it shoots.
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Beautiful! Very nicely done!
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Thanks Cesar..I hope so too 8)
Thanks cmb and medicinewheel :D
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Wow that turned out great! That bow shoots fast! Tiller looks sweet....But you forgot to mention.....................handle..........lol
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Nice bow brother good job brother take care and make a nother master piece
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That is one nice bow,perfect tiller and good job.
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Thanks buddy(hickorybill)....yeah funny thing about the handle....I was moving so fast on the bow,and in my haste when I was shaping the handle I dished in the grip on the bottom part of the handle and didn't realize it untill I was standing at the archery butt ready to fling my first arrow....LMAO :laugh:....I just stood there silent with a grin shaking my head looking at bill...we all had a good laugh :laugh:.....good thing the handle was 1 3/4" deep,and I just took some depth off down to 1 1/2"and and reshaped the handle and dished in the grip in the right spot..lol :laugh:
Thanks Marty(old timber bows)...can't wait to come up and see you again my brother in january and have a bowmaking fest with you Matt,chris,n nick....good times await us my friend
Thanks swamp yeti... :D
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I agree... :)I like the stain job on this bow also, it brings out the grain nicely. I really like the braced profile, and to me less is more.
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The tips you did on this bow interest me, any info on them or tips if I wanted to try them? I mean where they get very narrow the last how ever many inches. Looks like a molly but not, The bow looks GREAT!! as usual you make a awsome bow, very well done!
Josh
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Thanks James
Thanks Josh...ok...you asked...and now ya opened up a can of worms :laugh:
Tim Baker refers to this style as an andaman-holmgaard,and there are many variations of this based on where you start your taper,which he refers to an eiffel tower taper tips. The further in you start your taper,the wider your fades and working limbs must be to account for the more stress. Also you can have different front view profile working limbs,like staying full width 2/3 etc..or tapering straight from the fades like a pyramid limb,such as mine do. So mine is basically a pyramid limbed bow with stiff eiffel tower taper tips for the last almost 40% of the limb.
I use a pretty simple formula to lay out my front profile. You can play around with this number and just remember to adjust limb width to length of working limb,draw length,poundage etc...
Here's what I do....I measure from the fade to the tip and multiply that number by 1/3(this decimal number is the number you can adjust if ya like)and that will give you how far you measure from the tip and that's where you will start your eiffel tower tapers. For example...you have 30" from fade to tip. Take 30x.333333=10. So mark a spot 10" from your tip and that's where you start the taper. When I use this number I make it 1" wide where I start my taper. So if you did pyramid limbs you draw a straight line(or follow grain) from your fades to that 10" mark and an inch wide. I then make a mark 6" from the tip and make it 1/2" wide and let it remain a half inch wide all the way to the ends. That way after you brace it you'll have a lil room for string tracking. After you brace it and know where you want the string to lay,then you can reduce the tips from that 6"from mark where its a half inch wide. On denser woods higher than. 70 I will make the last 2-3" 1/4",and on lighter woods like this hackberry(which is .50)I made the tips 3/8"at the last three inches.I also glue on an overlay when the tips are still a half inch wide all the way to the tips before I brace it. Tips this narrow needs overlays.
A word of caution is to make sure there is very lil to none twist in the limbs...otherwise you will lose lateral stability....and SNAP....don't ask me how I know this...lol :laugh:
Feel free to ask me more or if you didn't understand something ;)
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Thank you for the great explanation I appretiate you taking the time to type it up for me. I want to give this a try with some vine maple. Did you learn this in a book? if so what book? Again great looking bow and thanks for taking the time to explain it to me. ;D
Josh
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Your welcome Josh...the design is loosely discussed in TBB3 and TBB4 by Tim Baker. But as you know you can only learn so much from a book in this craft...its learned by doing.
I wanna make a lil shorter length bow and sinew only the working limbs,n make the levers a tad longer,and induce reflex into the working limbs and see what happens :)
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Really nice bow. I like the finish job. Tiller looks perfect. Just all around nice bow. Good job!
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Howdy Blackhawk,
Wow! I'd be proud to carry a bow like that into the hunting woods.
Just beautiful, thanks for sharing.
All the Best,
Canoe
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Beautiful job on a sweet shooter! Lovin that hackberry ;D
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Howdy back canoe...thanks...I've roved a couple times in the woods with her
Thanks K-hat...ill b def making more out of hackberry
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Very nice HBerry bow,love the color,it is some beautiful wood.
Pappy
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What type of tiller do you shoot for with that profile ? Elliptical , circular ?It appears all the bending is taking place at the fade to lever area, esecially the bottom limb. But is is hard to judge with the small screen on my cell.
Jeff
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Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh.................and so aptly named...........
Jeff you answered your own question. The levers are just that, levers. Thats why you see only the lower section working and the levers remain stiff. His tiller is just about perfect-o, a great example actually.
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Thanks pappy..and you can thank PD for the nice looking wood...he cut it ;)
Thanks n2hunting...pearl pretty much answered the question(thanks chris)...folks also call it a holmgaard type tiller after the holmgaard bow.
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I think this might be one of the ones you showed me at your place. I really like the color and simplicity of it. The more elaborate (decorated) bows are amazing but I have a sweet spot for a simple bow that reminds us of the beauty of the wood itself. Good stuff!
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Its the name of the bow that really sealed the deal for me.
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That's a beauty,and it does look like a rocket launcher. Just curious,did you heat treat the belly? Great job. God Bless
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Thanks guys :)
Petec..yes it was heat treated. Hackberry responds well to it,n benefits greatly.