Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Mike_A on August 08, 2007, 11:07:50 am
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I'm still pretty new at all this so if anyone could post pics of different tiller profiles along with their strengths and weaknesses I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks Mike.
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Sounds like a good idea to me. I would like to see and hear more also.
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I'll 'third' that request. Maybe strung and unstrung profiles side by side?
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Here is a bow that was discussed on this site earlier this year. I was having trouble getting it right and everyone was a big help. It shows the problems and what was done to help get rid of them.
http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,2472.0.html
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http://home.comcast.net/~dcm4/abc0601.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~dcm4/abc0602.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~dcm4/abc0704.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~dcm4/abc0705.JPG
The first two links show a bow with more circular tiller. The second two a little more stiff on the outer limbs. One bowyer buddy of mine doesn't see any difference in the two, but likes the way the first one shoots better. I prefer the second but the difference is not pronounced. Don't have an example of a whip tillered bow.
IMO circular tiller lets one use more wood, potentially saving a little set or perhaps make a little more draw weight for what wood is available. Less circular preserves string angle, and helps keep mass in motion to a minimum.
Pics not for BOM consideration please.
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I tiller most of mine like the 2nd.I use to wind up with a wipe tiller unintentional.They seem to stack more for me. :)
Pappy
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Mike, there's plenty of pictures on my site. You have the right idea. Nothing helps more than seeing the tillers of bows. I have to admit that with some of the character bows I've made the tiller just happens. That is I rarely have in mind to make a bow of say circular tiller or elliptical tiller (my preference). I like to think that the design and the stave dictate the tiller. The stave will tell you what it wants. With experience you hearing will improve. You'll become a better listener. Jawge
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One thing I believe is that we use some tiller logic, the front view of the bow should be a tip off as to what the tiller will look like. A pyramide bow should bend in an arc of the circle more while a paralell limbed bow should bend mre elyptically. Thickness tells the wood how fa it can bend, width controls how far it will bend, thin wood can bend more than thick wood obviously. Steve
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That sounds backwards Steve. "Let the wide wood work" seems to be what you are saying. Pyramid would be more stiff ended, in this paradigm, no?
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Oh, never mind. I re-read your post and I get what you are saying. Duh. Parrallel limb bow would work more elliptical if the "wide wood works."
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Dave, I real life I do keep the pyramid or modified pyramids very stiff in the outside limbs. But they are actually getting thicker toward the tips. Steve
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I was just thinking, hey if it's gonna be wide it might as well bend. I don't really make or care for particularly truly pyramid bows, but do use aggressive width taper and stiff deep outer limbs, where appropriate.
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Something that you don't see often is a bow that starts off narrow near the fades then widens mid limb then quickly narrows again, This would make good sense for a fairly long bow, maybe like 72" if the tiller followed the logic from the back of the bow. Steve
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That's a lot of help fellows. I appreciate it. I'm a big time visual learner so if I can't see it or feel it I'm pretty well hosed. Anyone that has more pics or links please post. The more the merrier. Thanks a lot. Mike.
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I too am like mikea. I can read how to do something a hundred times and it makes no or little sense but show it to me and I sometimes catch on pretty quick ;D. I will read some sentence and then have to sak someone who knows about it "what the heck" and then they show me and duh! ::) Good tread here want more.
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Circular or elliptical tiller? Hmmm... I can't tell. All my bows circular:
http://www.my-bow.hu/?q=node/847
http://www.my-bow.hu/?q=node/653
http://www.my-bow.hu/?q=node/644
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Nice bows zLego, are they english longbows?
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Thanks for all the replies everyone. Sorry so slow on the response. I've been traveling the last few days and finally made it back to texas for a few weeks. Ya'll have a good one and thanks a lot for all the responses. Mike